ajheath Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 Is it just me, or if the cars are the same then wont it be just down to the skill of the driver? That would never do, and I agree with Simon bring back the characters. I miss Eddie Ervine. I loved the bits from the documentery about him a few years ago, where he stopped a couple of good looking girls on his way into Monza and invited them to a party that night, and when he got out of bed on his boat leaving behind some georgeous girl, went on deck and dived into the sea. Drivers today seem more like parts of the car. Hamilton's getting there with his driving style, but needs to be a bit more out spoken and ladish. Just my opinion. I was watching a programme about the Bentley Boys from the 20's the other day, and Wolf Bernato (great name) spent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcbjs 260 Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 Totaly agree Adrian, F1 misses drivers like eddie irvine,people who spoke their mind and knew how to race, Hamilton best racer this year but too well groomed, I prefer raw talant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gghc87 Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 (edited) some very interesting reports in 'the times' this morning. If you have the time read this clicky Edited September 15, 2007 by gghc87 Quote Cliff Men marry women with the hope they will never change. Women marry men with the hope they will change. Invariably they are both disappointed. : Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwer Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 some very interesting reports in 'the times' this morning. If you have the time read this clicky Thanks for that link - an intelligent read. I reckon MacLaren should buy a struggling backmarker NASCAR team in the US, and send De La Rosa and Alonso to drive for them for the remainder of their contracts for their part in this. Tony - you can download the IndyCar races from t'internet. I've done it for every race this season. How many people know that 'our' Dario Francitti won the IndyCar championship last weekend? Its far less ego driven than F1 and they even overtake each other! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esprit350 Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 Who was it who said that "Rules are for the interpretation of wise men, and the obeyance of fools"...? Douglas Bader, WW2 fighter pilot, often misatributed to Colin Chapman Quote The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. Friedrich Nietzsche find me on Tripadvisor http://www.tripadvis...mbers/espritguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 Douglas Bader, WW2 fighter pilot, often misatributed to Colin Chapman Hmm, I fell into that trap - I thought it was Chapman's too... apparently it was Douglas Bader who uttered "Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men". Well spotted, Howard Quote Dan "He who dies with the most toys wins..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esprit350 Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 the way I found out was by watching "Reach for the Sky" last year, when Keneth More said those words I thought , I know that saying, so a bit of googling later.... Quote The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. Friedrich Nietzsche find me on Tripadvisor http://www.tripadvis...mbers/espritguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rydning Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 (edited) I was a huge F1 entusiast some years ago,now I`m not interested at all.To much BS and when you see the how young the drivers are you know that this cars are to easy to drive with little risk. I feel its 10% driver and 90% Team. Look at Ferrari.Raikonen needs to use Michael Schumacher to be able to set up the car right and to get the right feedback to the engineers. Take a look at rally you barly find a driver under 30. The F1 is way to much big business than its about driving fast now. Edited September 16, 2007 by rydning Quote 89 Lotus Esprit Turbo S Very fast road and trackday car. GT3076R+ a lot of other modifications. http://lotusespritwo...inZzdningz.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyp Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Thanks for that link - an intelligent read. I reckon MacLaren should buy a struggling backmarker NASCAR team in the US, and send De La Rosa and Alonso to drive for them for the remainder of their contracts for their part in this. Tony - you can download the IndyCar races from t'internet. I've done it for every race this season. How many people know that 'our' Dario Francitti won the IndyCar championship last weekend? Its far less ego driven than F1 and they even overtake each other! Ta RS3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esprit Aviation Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Hmm, I fell into that trap - I thought it was Chapman's too... apparently it was Douglas Bader who uttered "Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men". Well spotted, Howard Just curious, wasn't it Bader who lost his legs and still continued to fly even after he was shot down and escaped? Apparently, after the Germans allowed new prosthetic legs to be air dropped! Fascinating story, but I might be totally wrong on the facts! Lee Quote KILL THE RUST! RUST REMOVAL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PVK 596Y Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 (edited) Just curious, wasn't it Bader who lost his legs and still continued to fly even after he was shot down and escaped? Apparently, after the Germans allowed new prosthetic legs to be air dropped! Fascinating story, but I might be totally wrong on the facts! Lee Bader lost his legs in a pre-war flying accident and had to leave the RAF. He was allowed to re-join the RAF at the start of WW11 and was shot down over France in 1941 (not sure about the year). There is some controversy that he was shot down by another RAF pilot, either accidentally, or more sinisterly, by intention. He was seen as rude and arrogant by most of those that knew him. He spent the rest of the war in a POW camp. He lost one of his artificial legs in the crash; he had to remove it as it was jammed in the controls and stopping him from baling out. Spare legs were dropped by the RAF, but as part of an air raid, not just a flight to send some legs. Apparently Churchill was involved in the decision to make it part of a raid. There was a very good documentary about this on TV a few months back. It also detailed an attempt to find the remains of Bader's Spitfire. Paul. Hmm, I fell into that trap - I thought it was Chapman's too... apparently it was Douglas Bader who uttered "Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men". Well spotted, Howard Chapman may not have said it, but he was surely a marvellous example of its practise. Paul. Edited September 18, 2007 by PVK 596Y Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matk Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Baders plane was chopped in half in a mid air collision rather than "shot down". You're right in that there is speculation as to whether it was a Meschershmidt or another Spitfire. Quote Regards Mat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M Blur Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 I was a huge F1 entusiast some years ago,now I`m not interested at all.To much BS and when you see the how young the drivers are you know that this cars are to easy to drive with little risk. I feel its 10% driver and 90% Team. Look at Ferrari.Raikonen needs to use Michael Schumacher to be able to set up the car right and to get the right feedback to the engineers. Take a look at rally you barly find a driver under 30. The F1 is way to much big business than its about driving fast now. Best drivers do seem to be in LMS and ALMS these days tho some of the V8 and NASCAR boys now how to turn a wheel - watch em go round the Glen and you can see they really know how to drive. Some of the old tourin car guys are supreme also.. Menu for example and agree rally drivers some of the most natural around. Quote It's alive.. alive!!!.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PVK 596Y Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Baders plane was chopped in half in a mid air collision rather than "shot down". You're right in that there is speculation as to whether it was a Meschershmidt or another Spitfire. Bader himself always maintained it was a collision. There is also speculation that this is not true. It would have been very bad for morale if the great Ace was shot done by a German, even worse by friendly fire. The public was far less aware that friendly fire incidents took place in those days. The German records show no reference to an aircraft lost in a collision, and the commander, the famous ace Adolph Galland, maintained that Bader must have been shot down. He could not say who did it though. Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esprit350 Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 He (bader)spent the rest of the war in a POW camp. that prison camp was Colditz IIRC Quote The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. Friedrich Nietzsche find me on Tripadvisor http://www.tripadvis...mbers/espritguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneshot Posted September 19, 2007 Report Share Posted September 19, 2007 IIRC did he not attempt to escape so the guards took his artificial legs off him to stop him. He then improvised a new set Quote Dave - 2000 Sport 350 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USAndretti42 Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Getting back to Max Mosely vs. Ron Dennis for a moment, one of the things that the World Council will be watching for is for McLaren to give poorer treatment to Alonso that to Hamilton in revenge for Alonso's part in all this. Fair enough but now it's rumoured that Ferrari are making Massa play second fiddle to Raikonnen in a bid to help the Finn win the championship and he's the choice has he has the more point of the two. However, the World Council ruling stops McLaren doing the same with their drivers. Alonso has the fewer points but the cannot ask him to be number 2 to Hamilton even if there were a chance that he would say yes. The other wierdness is that, despite there being no proof and very little evidence that McLaren used any of this information, the FIA plans to inspect the 2008 design for signs of it using Ferrari technology. If they find it does then it cannot race. How will they know that any resemblance to the Ferrari came from the documents? How similar does it have to be to be unacceptable? It's not like the Shadow/Arrows case where the drawings were identical. If the Ferrari is currentl the better car and McLaren goes towards the Ferrari design because that wil make the car go better will it be illegal? Even if Williams, Scuderia Toro Rosso, Spyker, Williams, Honda, etc. make similar changes but do not release them until after the FIA inspection of the McLaren? I still think it's all very wierd. Why, in this day and age, would the stuff be on paper and not on DVD, memory sticks, RAM cards, or a laptop could have gone missing, or whatever? Much easier to smuggle out that way I would have thought. Quote S4 Elan, Elan +2S, Federal-spec, World Championship Edition S2 Esprit #42, S1 Elise, Excel SE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rip Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 The whole 'special relationship' thing between FIA and Ferrari sucks. Ecclestone has admitted that the authorities have a soft spot for the team. Ferrari have been caught cheating in the past but have always escape with a slap on the wrists. Remember their illegal barge boards that they got away with because "it gave them no advantage"? Cobblers. Rules are rules. If they get broken then that is the team's fault and they should suffer the consequences, regardless of whether thay gain an advantage or not. As for the unethical appropriation of information, if anybody believes that it does not go on all the time, then they should get back to the real world. Has anybody considered the possibilty that Ferrari were behind the whole thing, planting the info in the first place just because McLaren were better than them. I mean, taking paper documents to a public place to be photocopied? Get real. What have Ferrari ever done anyway? Thrown money at existing technology. That's all. If you want innovation, look to Lotus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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