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Similarly, I find speed cameras are good for me personally, because I don't tend to speed much and the more money they raise the less tax I might have to pay.

Do you seriously believe that?

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ok heres one for you, labour put the taxes up so they would have more funds for the nhs hospitals, last year when things went tits up for me, i didnt get a scan in time becuase "it would cost too much to get the staff in new years eve and fire up the machines" and then a further scan was put off until " they had the funds to pay for the specialist reader to travel from cardiff for the day" the treatment i needed was not available becauser fo" lack of funds" the equipment couldnt be used becuase of " no fuinds to train the staff to use them"

in the years since labour has been in, they have introduced more stealthy taxes than the conservatives ever did, and wheres the failities to show for it?

as for fuel 2/3rds of it is already tax, when a litre of fuel costs a retailer 46p you have to wonder where does that tax go? we already pay a road tax fee yet we do not see the uks road struture improving to the quality other eu countries have, in my raod alone we have in excess of 200 odd potholes marked up by the highways agency, yet they have no funds to fix them, but they had loads of funds given them to stick over 300 plastic speedbumps when asked for them.

they want to charge us soon for driving per mile on the roads, but then thats what the road tax is for , and i cant see them giving that up lightly.

we pay vat on food, fuel, electricity, gas, and now increased water rates and community charges. i expect to wake up one morning and have a life tax bill on my doormat followed by an air tax for the air i breath.

crime is rife in this country, but its a shame the biggest thieves are the ones that sit in the commons, and we are to bloody scared to do anything about it

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I think the USA have been the only country to come in near to budget and actually end up making a profit out of running the Olympics. perhaps that's one reason they ran it twice almost back to back. The IOC got to keep the profits and used it to fund sport development in third world contries.

Like the vast majority of projections they are just a 'best guess' and often massaged to achieve a desired result - made to look viable and convincing to get a YES... Like most things from house renovations, business start up or major projects like aircraft development or the Olympics, or me getting the wife to agree to me building a new computer! You always have to look at a 30% to 50% overbudget situations when considering the project critically, as 9 times out of 10 that's where you end up...

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I always thought it would be nice to have Guy Fawlks Night much earlier in the year :X

If this was any other country we would have blockaded the ports and all gone for a drive at the same time on the motorways untill the country grinds to a halt.

But nope we can't and won't. Under Terrorism act in fact me saying this could get me imprisioned indefinately.

So bend over and take it like you know you have to.

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ok heres one for you, labour put the taxes up so they would have more funds for the nhs hospitals, last year when things went tits up for me, i didnt get a scan in time becuase "it would cost too much to get the staff in new years eve and fire up the machines" and then a further scan was put off until " they had the funds to pay for the specialist reader to travel from cardiff for the day" the treatment i needed was not available becauser fo" lack of funds" the equipment couldnt be used becuase of " no fuinds to train the staff to use them"

in the years since labour has been in, they have introduced more stealthy taxes than the conservatives ever did, and wheres the failities to show for it?

as for fuel 2/3rds of it is already tax, when a litre of fuel costs a retailer 46p you have to wonder where does that tax go? we already pay a road tax fee yet we do not see the uks road struture improving to the quality other eu countries have, in my raod alone we have in excess of 200 odd potholes marked up by the highways agency, yet they have no funds to fix them, but they had loads of funds given them to stick over 300 plastic speedbumps when asked for them.

they want to charge us soon for driving per mile on the roads, but then thats what the road tax is for , and i cant see them giving that up lightly.

we pay vat on food, fuel, electricity, gas, and now increased water rates and community charges. i expect to wake up one morning and have a life tax bill on my doormat followed by an air tax for the air i breath.

crime is rife in this country, but its a shame the biggest thieves are the ones that sit in the commons, and we are to bloody scared to do anything about it

To my certain knowledge no government for at least the past 30 years has claimed that there is any direct link between revenue from the Road Fund Licence and paying for Road Maintenance, I vaguely remember reading once a claim that there never was even at its inception. Which is why telling cyclist they shouldn't be on the road because they don't pay road tax is a misnomer, never mind difference in wear and tear between a cyclist and a car which weighs 100 times more and does 10 times more mileage. All tax revenues just gets put in a big pot!

Your National Insurance contributions is the only 'tax' that you pay that is said to still have a vague link to you and its original purpose in providing pension, social security and Health services.

So much of the chancellors revenue comes from multiple sources PAYE, VAT, petrol, car tax, corporation tax, stamp duty, capital gains, cigarettes, alcohol and lots of others. That its impossible to allocate stuff pound for pound it just has to get pooled.. Tax is also used in a dissproportionate way for social reasons such as a deterant on smoking, spirits and speeding.

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I won't go into my qualifications as I am more than qualified. On top of this I have 5 Years in banking, specifically in Corporate and Commercial Finance and my wifes a nurse with the NHS.

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I'm sorry Jeff, but if the money going out includes Several hundreds of Billions of pounds to hold up Northern Rock then we are just paying for incompetance.

And here's a few other examples taken from press releases:

"The government announced the budget for the Games had risen from

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Look lets face it putting money on booze to stop under age drinking and binge drinking is rubbish.

There are laws in this country about selling alcohol to anyone under the age of 18. So how about they actually enforce these laws. You know take away the licence from the shop that sold the alcohol and fine them . Do that to one or two shops in an area and the others will get the message. But as all of our police are to tied up checking our car TAX that isn't going to happen. Here is another, how about a bit radical I know but we actually do something to the kids that do break the law. Lock the fuckers up and get them cleaning up the rubbish from roads, motorways, parks and graffiti from walls. Make them wear an embarrassing boiler suit in some ridicules colour and parade them through the towns for everyone to see.

Binge drinking is just a new word for getting rat arsed and I know for a fact that my parents did this as well it is not a new thing and will make no difference.

How about we stop letting every other bugger in the country and then give them money to send back to their native country to keep there extended family. Any one who has looked into moving to Canada or Australia will know what they require for us to move there. I am a bit confused as to why we do not have something similar.

We do not promote industry here we TAX it to death is it any wonder why this country is falling apart.

The minute I can afford to I will be leaving this country without a backwards glance. I watched recently on the news that they are thinking of making school leavers pledge allegiance to the the flag and the UK, to try and install some pride in the country. How about they do something to make us proud. It was not to long ago that they were taking people to court for flying the Union Jack. They stop our war veterans from doing their annual parades because it may upset someone. Can someone tell me what we have to be proud about .......... only I can not figure it out. We have sold out, forced out or ruined all that made us feel proud to be British.

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I used to work with social services and I could see the waste that is generated by the civil service, I had a team leader, who had a supervisor, who had a manager, who had an area manager, who had a service delivery manager, who had a county manager, who had an assistant director, who had a director, who had a chief executive. none of whom take any responsibility and are (close to the top) overpaid. The police are now plastic (community support) and have too much paperwork.

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Unfortunately I am not as wise or as intelligent certain people on this discussion. I only have a degree in Applied Physics not Economics. I only set call centres up with Tech Architecture and call routing systems, not work in them. But I do know how many beans make 5.

I have worked in government funded organizations where money is spent like sailors on shore leave. My last job was in a company where

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Re the argument that most of us don't get back anywhere near what we put in. I am currently involved in a project that has revealed some remarkable statistics. The one that stood out is that 42% of NHS resources (money) is consumed by 5% of the population. Think about that for a moment. I, like a lot of people, pay into a private health scheme. It is extremely unlikely I will ever avail myself of NHS facilities (maybe A&E, but god forbid that ever happens). I also pay a shed load of tax, as does my business. A big chunk of that funds the NHS, a service I will probably never use.

It seems to me that having chosen to pay for this service (well, insure myself against such an eventually), I am removing myself from the NHS customer base. Shouldn't I be getting a discount for freeing up resources for the needy? Oh I forgot, that was the first thing Brown snuffed out when his lot got in. I have no objection paying my fair share and having some of that support the genuinely disadvantaged members of society. No problem at all. But I wonder how many of that 42% are actually genuinely needy?

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i for one would like to see exactly where our increased tax revenues have been effiiently spent in the public sector.

it hasnt been on the nhs , current failures and crisis proves that, it hasnt been on business support thats non existent in the uk now, it hasnt been on public services as only 25 miles of new rail line has been made since they got into power and as for bus lanes they just remarked one lane of existing roads off.

they havent spent anything on the armed forces fact, i know this having friends and relatives in the forces who have no choice but to buy equipment before they leave for active duty and ask us to send things to them constanly.

so you tell me where have our taxes gone? because they havent been spent on what they should have been thats for bloody sure!

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Oi don't pick on the Typhoon - that project secured a lot of wheels and deals as well as UK jobs. It's not as if it's money down the drain PLUS the aircraft was adapted from an interceptor role (to replace the Tornado ADV) to a swing role to replace the Tornado IDS as well so 2 planes for the price of 1 there (and it is an awesome aircraft).

Bad budget if you like to smoke and drink !

Oh and if you intend to buy a silly car that does 2 to the gallon.

Dont fret on the 2p fuel duty too much - it's crept up 10p in the last 6 months which as slipped past most people's attention !! :X

Complain to OPEC and the stock pilers in the US.

I STILL say abolish ALL vehicle duty and slap it on the fuel, that said Diesel is like 88p / Litre in France so most poeple will go over there to fill up !

Fact is did you expect anything else ?

Country is spending BIG at the moment, someone has to fork the bill.

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I can only get into this kinda debate if it's the early hours of the

morning and i've had a few (however much they cost) pints of ale,

Then the fruitless nature of the debate is thankfully lost on me.

:X

Say what you like, you will all, like me, roll over and pay up. For all

the points made and the moaning, we will pay everything thats asked,

and i'll bet not one of us will be on the evening news chained to some

department or other (something we could all do, but will of course not).

You don't get 2p off your tax for an opinion voiced on a car forum,

(no matter how many people quote and agree with you). The evening and

the day after the budget is full of people bleating away, only to just take

it on the chin like they always do. Who is not going to pay then? Who's

going to put themselves forward for election instead? who's going to drive

with no tax as a protest? Exactly.

baa, baa, baa...

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Table A.8b: VED bands and rates for private and light goods vehicles

registered before 1 March 2001 (pre-graduated VED)

Engine size----------------2008-09----------2009-10

1549cc and below----------

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I don't really know why I have just read the whole of this thread - Any thread started by Kimbers and opens with TAX, I know is only going to get my hackles up again. :X Why do I read it? because I start off logging onto LEF in an all together good mood for a bit of a light read and humor, and within 10 minutes I'm in that Government hateing bad mood that makes you feel like you've just been burgled. :beer:

Kimbers, you remind me so often of one of my best mates who has a habit of, for example around August/September each year (when 8-10 friends, all couples) are happily sat round a table eating/drinking - Out of the blue, for his amusement, he will suddenly say "So whats everyone doing for Christmas this year?" Then delights in sitting back and watching how the arguments develope between couples argueing between themselves over which relatives are coming and not coming and who visited who last year - and it always ends in tears. (Try it next time you've got friends round around late summer. Just sit back and watch - always good entertainment) ie, I should refrain from reading any posts started by Kimbers mentioning Tax, cos I know the blood presure rises :rant:

OK, after dygressing and a couple of deep breaths. On the subject of this years masterful display of elaborate storytelling by our illustrious Chancellor, so many comments here are correct, but as so many have said we are in relative terms paying so much more for everything for what seems like very little return. I for one would actually willingly pay more direct tax, if I could see a differance in Policeing, Hospitals, Schools, Roads ect ect, but we never ever do. I'm in no way saying its easy to run the Country, but there are just so many unkept promisses and lies that we are expected to believe, one after the other, year after year and like Paul C says, we just take it on the chin.

I am unsure If another Party can do any better at this stage but as I have said before, this current lot of Jokers seem to be the worst Government in power that I can remember in my short Lifetime.

Thanks Kimbers :X

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Geess, i wonder why i am dreading returning back the the dreadful place :X

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Geess, i wonder why i am dreading returning back the the dreadful place :X

Don't you start matey! :X

I tell you what, this country would be a lot happier without all those people

that bang on about "I'm getting out, I'm moving to another country, this one

is sh1t now, etc, etc, etc...".

DO IT PLEASE! Then the rest of us won't be made as miserable as you are by

having to listen to this crap for years and years with no action. 'Oh, when the

kids are older i mean', absolute bollox. The people that actually mean that stuff

just up and go, the people that don't just bang on about it so much they believe

that they can hold it up like some trump card 'i don't care, i'm going', over and

over again, for years. Just go, or shut up, people like this are two a penny, we

all know a few, family already over 'there', you know 'my brother in law can get

me a job soon as we get there' etc, etc. PLEASE. PLEASE. LEAVE FFS, Rather that

pop up every budget with the same song.

It's like scottish/welsh folk. Love their country but spend a lifetime living in england

complaining they are not in scotland or wales and how much better it is. Why?

Yawn...

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I'm not going to go over old ground because it seems we all seem to feel the same, but here is a very small statistic to illustrate why much of the budget is smoke and mirrors.

Plastic bags make up 1% of landfill !!!! I'll say that again 1% so why are they all of a sudden public enemy No1? simple cuz the govenment can make money from them easily. If Sainsbugs charge just 1p per bag thats 0.175p per bag in tax. Now if I go shopping once a week and use 10 bags that's 17p per week extra on my shopping, and is that really going to make me think more about the enviroment?? of course not, more crucially it's an extra 1.75p in tax. Times that by 52 weeks and thats an extra 91p per year, so lets make it a pound to round things up. Times that by say 30,000,000 homes in the UK and you have just earned yourself and extra

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I am not an economist or anything like it but what I cant get my head round is how come we have to borrow millions to survive yet countless millions are given to other countries to help them, how can we possibly afford to pay for wars which we have'nt got a hope in hells chance of winning again costing millions, all the millions of people coming to our shores putting a greater strain on our resources that the rank and file amongst us have contributed to all our working lives and our parents before us, surely charity should begin at home. This continual year on year maxim of just dream up another stealth tax gloss it up and they will pay just goes on and on. Putting the price of booze up to stop people binge drinking, what nonsense, putting cigarettes up to stop people smoking again what nonsense, putting fuel up to stop us driving our cars again I say utter nonsense, these are 3 easy sources of revenue and nothing else. Like a pevious contributor said we will just take it on the chin and pay up because that is what we have always done and every government no matter what the colour know this and that is why they continually get away with it. I think Mr Darlings comment this morning to the interviewer was nothing short of shocking, " Most independant interviewers will understand my anaylis" basically saying how dare you question and criticise what I have done. that just about sums it up.........Rant over!!!!!!!!!!!

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Hahahahahahahah

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They've done it again. look at these figures very carefully.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/629/629/7293011.stm

In the first year there is no tax for low polluting cars. What these don't show is that Hybrids previously fitted into a special bracket of

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