OwenGT3 Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 (edited) Hi, Checked todays TV guide, on Friday on channel 5 is a new series starting with Peter Snow called 'Brits Who Made The Modern World'. The first program is going to be on Team Lotus and how they changed formula one. The program starts at 7.30pm Friday 20th June. Worth recording this one I think. Owen Edited June 14, 2008 by OwenGT3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matk Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 Well done for the heads up Owen. Quote Regards Mat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BELFAST Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Thanks owen for Letting us know i will definatley be taping it ,James/ Belfast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPL76 Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Wll be watching, but I notice its only 30 mins long. How on earth can someone like CABC be summed up in 30 minutes??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esprit350 Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 (edited) genius + team = lotus genius + delorean = wheres the money Edited June 18, 2008 by Howard Quote The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. Friedrich Nietzsche find me on Tripadvisor http://www.tripadvis...mbers/espritguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold FFM mayevora Posted June 18, 2008 Gold FFM Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 I noticed the advertised as a preview on C5 tonight, showing lots of Lotus clips. Quote Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk - that will teach us to keep mouth shut! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katie Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Many thanks for pointing that out Owen, I'd have completely missed it. Quote Just because you can, does'nt mean you should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bingoking Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Brits Who Made The Modern World (Documentary) Time - 19:30 - 20:00 (30 minutes long) When - Friday 20th June on five Formula One. Series 1, episode 1. Documentary series looking at the untold stories of British scientists and engineers who developed some of the modern world's most incredible technology. Peter Snow finds out how Britain's successful Formula One industry has its origins in a remarkable amateur racing club and a visionary group of motor enthusiasts. He meets the surviving members of the Lotus Engineering team whose revolutionary car, the Lotus 25, changed the sport forever. Quote Join Lotus Enthusiasts Group Scotland here! and on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matk Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Threads merged................ Quote Regards Mat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowtus Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Just a nudge for the thread as the hour approaches......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killboy Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Another 30 minutes of my life wasted. I guess I shouldn't of expected any better though from the channel that inflicts 5th gear on us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Blanchard Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 So where did it go wrong? Didn't see it as can't get channel 5 . Quote Mark www.lotusespritturbo.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_england99 Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Wasn't great was it. Basically 30min isn't really enough to cover the subject in enough details to satisfy us Lotus fanatics. Regards, Peter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Well I watched Cloverfield which was a bigger waste of time Quote facebook = [email protected] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killboy Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 can't get channel 5 . You don't know how lucky you are. IMO the programme seemed to be negative towards Lotus. No photo's of Colin and some random guy with a moustache playing him leads me to think it was not produced with the blessing of Lotus (I could be wrong). 25 minutes of saying how they was unreliable and 'failed' to win, then the last 5 minutes covered the 1963 championship season and there was no mention at all of the success that Lotus had in F1 after then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPx Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Well, it wasn't great for us afficienados...but IMO not a bad thing for the unknowing masses. Basically Jon Snow just eulogised Colin Chapman for inventing the monocoque chassis - nothing more. Given the limited scope of what he was working towards, 30 mins was plenty to put across the emergence of the Lotus F1 racing team through the Lotus 25, particularly in its second season. Obviously it ignored enormous amounts of the broader Lotus heretige but it did argue the case that Chapman and Lotus changed the face of Formula 1 and that all F1 teams are still following those early breakthroughs even today. So good enough - it was a very positive msg. Mike Quote Loving Lionel and Eleanor......missing Charlie and Sonny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwenGT3 Posted June 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Generally for 30 mins not bad, thought the fake moustache could have been better, looked like it was going to fall off for one minute but that was just the beginning, there are so many other things they could have gone on to say that changed the sport, they didn't even mention about bolting the rear suspension on to the engine as well as the chassis development, unsure if that happened on the 25? The use of driveshafts as upper suspension arms, introducing sponsorship, the ground effect, twin chassis etc, etc. Owen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Basically Jon Snow just eulogised Colin Chapman for inventing the monocoque chassis - nothing more. LOL but he didn't ! It was just another idea that he pioneered when other people said it would't work - thats what chapman did best (imo). If you're looking at the title of the program and how he/lotus changed F1 you need to look at the 49 and Cosworth, the 72 and imo the most infulential F1 car ever made which was the 79. You could argue others such as the 91 (one of the 1st carbon fibre cars / active suspension) and the dual chassis car. Of course the other thing chapman was very good at was getting the right driver in the right car. Also didn't he have one of the biggest hands in the first sponsorship in F1 ? (gold leaf) Quote facebook = [email protected] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esprit350 Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 (edited) poor programme, weak production, CGI was pityful, actors were there for what reason? top gear could have done better in a ten minute slot and got loads more info across, 3 out of 10 channel five Edited June 21, 2008 by Howard Quote The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. Friedrich Nietzsche find me on Tripadvisor http://www.tripadvis...mbers/espritguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molemot Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 An overly simplistic view of the period in F1 when the technical lead changed from Italy to England. Lots of stock film footage of 1960 GP's..hardly a Lotus to be seen (although I did spot the original front-engined F1 Lotus, unacknowledged in the commentary)..plenty of Coopers..one shot talking about the unreliability of Lotus showed a stranded BRM! No mention of the Lotus 18 campaigned to such great effect by Moss at Monaco..one would have thought that the 25 was Lotus' first attempt at F1. The true initiator of change in F1 was actually John Cooper, who started the modern mid-engined format by laying out some chalk lines on the floor of his Surbiton garage, bending tubes to suit, and welding them together to produce the first F1 mid-engined car. No mention of that at all. All this twaddle about the Lotus team being "amateurs in a shed" when, by the time of the Lotus 25, they were very proficient professionals who knew exactly what they were about. I'll never tire of looking at the 25, an unspeakably beautiful piece of design..but I agree with Jonathan, the later marks of Lotus were significantly more influential, especially the carbon car. Then again, what can you expect for 30 minutes on channel 5? At least they did find some of the active participants and interviewed them..what was lost in the editing and by the questions asked we'll never know. Quote Scientists investigate that which already is; Engineers create that which has never been." - Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajheath Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 As Jon said it was not just the 25 that lept forward but other models too most notablely for me the 49 and 72 (first modern F1 car side rads and all that). Ok for prime time but I cant help thinking Discovery Channel could have done a far better job over an hour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 Dammit! Totally forgot and walked down the pub! watching telly on a friday evening is very rare for me as i'm itching to get out, so i should have left myself a note. Will keep an eye out for repeats as i'd like to see it, however good/bad it is. probably worth buying one of those team lotus DVD's instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 Best DVD I have Lotus wise is "If you're not winning you're not trying" - others can be too geeky and too long. That one last about an hour and you dont want it to end. Quote facebook = [email protected] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowtus Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 I thought the program was OK in the context of what it was trying to achieve although as Howard said, the CGI was truly pitiful. Clearly made on a tight budget with quite bit of it shot down at Goodwood. At least they were focussing on Lotus at its finest as a GP winner which laid the foundations of British F1 dominamnce. Thankfully didn't get bogged down in the many, many accidents and fatalities which could have been laid at the door of ACBCs minimalist engineering approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katie Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 It seemed to finish before it had even gotten started. Quote Just because you can, does'nt mean you should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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