shadeone Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 So this weekend a friend came over and helped me get one of my quarter windows out... the other i started on sunday and finally got out last night.... advice to anyone doing this... i skipped the whole guitar string and dowel rod method and tried just using knives... the three main tools that i found extremely helpful are a long serrated bread knife, a swiss army / victorinox Farmer model (ill tell you why in a second... ) and a can of cooking oil (pam). the swiss army knife is an awesome knife but there is a specific model called the farmer that has the side scales made out of alox aluminum and is beefier then the standard plastic/cellidor sided ones. the main blade is also a tad thicker and stronger then the standard hardware store swiss army knives. the other very nice feature of this swiss army knife is the saw! my friend brought a leatherman over but the saw just really wasnt doing it... as soon as i got the swiss army saw in there it tore the rubber seal out faster then ever... the swiss army saw has a side by side tooth design that almost doubles the quickness of a cut and with the addition of cooking oil on the blade, make it seem like a butterknife through warm butter. the other nice feature is the little bumpy surface on the knife that helps the grip considerably. The farmer model: this is what the trim looked like as you can see there was very little left... thankfully i dont drive this car in the rain and my gas tanks are just fine! pics of the windows out: i know, i know... the masking job SUCKS right now but this was literally a few seconds after i got them out... this weekend will be my time to perfectly mask off the edge (im a bit obsessive compulsive so this should take a while). also going to get the border on the actual car cleaned up and prepped too... Ill keep you guys posted! shade Quote www.shadeone.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davegtst Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 What are you painting the glass with? I thought it was polyurethene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadeone Posted October 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 the stuff ive been told to use for the seal is "Sika Flex polyurethane adhesive" or any other professional polyurethane windshield adhesive... the black band that gets painted on around the edge is "Sika black primer 206 G+P"... gets painted on with a brush until light is no longer visible through it... shade Quote www.shadeone.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davegtst Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 (edited) I'll have to have a look out for that. Mine needs doing pretty badly. Edited March 6, 2009 by Kimbers Remove duplicate sentence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcan Grey Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 (edited) yep, that's how I did it. With a good bond, I don't think the knife would be able to cut all around, especially under the intake area, but then I had only an antique serrated tool, that looked like it came from the 1600's, and another knife that I heated with a flame to get started through the adhesive. Sika polyurethane to bond and Sika black primer for the black bands on the windows. a foam paint brush works best for the primer, one quick thick coat is also best. Edited October 10, 2008 by Vulcan Grey Quote Travis Vulcan Grey 89SE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadeone Posted October 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 travis, someone told me that the matte black area beneath the windows, (on the actual body of the car), is the same sika primer... do you know if this is true? theres a few areas that i scratched up when taking the windows out and i would like to touch them up... shade Quote www.shadeone.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcan Grey Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 no it isn't. you do need to use the primer on the body where the window gets bonded, anywhere the glue touches. but the body is painted with a matte black paint below the windows. the sika primer is shiny like obsidian glass. Quote Travis Vulcan Grey 89SE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanj Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 theres a few areas that i scratched up when taking the windows out and i would like to touch them up... Lotus used (really) cheap matte black paint on those areas, you would be fine using a good spray can paint. Quote Visit Sanj's Lotus Esprit Turbo SE pages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadeone Posted October 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 thanks guys! shade Quote www.shadeone.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadeone Posted October 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 i cant seem to find that sikaflex and sika black primer anywhere... an instruction sheet i got a while back for the quarter window re-do lists the following as working as well: 3m #08603 clear primer 3m #08604 black primer 3m window weld super fast urethane #08609 does anyone have any experience using these instead of the sika products? I would like to get my stuff today and start painting the windows soon and not have to wait for sika to ship to me directly! shade Quote www.shadeone.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcan Grey Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 I got my Sika from a local Elite Autoglass (large chain) store. I had to beg. but it was free The 3M should work as well. You want to be sure not to buy the super rigid stuff for aluminum Audis... and pay attention to the drive away time for the particular adhesive... and then leave it to setup all weekend anyways! Oh and get one of the bigger professional caulking guns from Home Depot. Don't use the folded sheet metal ones, they are a pain. The pro ones ar like $18 and have much better mechanical advantage in the handle. Quote Travis Vulcan Grey 89SE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadeone Posted October 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 ooooook after searching for the past few days for the clear and black primers from 3m, i have found the following out... they have been replaced by a single step primer, part 08681, and it comes in a 125 mL bottle. There is a 30mL bottle available too and tha is part number 08682. hopefully this helps anyone who is going to attempt this fix... shade Quote www.shadeone.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcan Grey Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 I did a google search for "sika 206 G + P" and found may bottles for sale. they are about $50/bottle though http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userp...uct.do?pid=3507 I got my partial bottle for free from an Elite auto glass store. You'll need a black primer that matches the black border on the 1/4 windows, because I'm sure that will need replacing. Quote Travis Vulcan Grey 89SE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadeone Posted March 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 finally had a nice day yesterday... painted the bands finally! turned out perfect! shade Quote www.shadeone.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbers Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Nice job Jamie. Look great.....did it really take from October? B) Quote Possibly save your life. Check out this website.http://everyman-campaign.org/ Distributor for 'Every Male' grooming products. (Discounts for any TLF members hairier than I am!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadeone Posted March 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 haha! yes its been a long time of them sitting around... when i took them out i shelved the project due to the car not going anywhere (winter storage)... I had the windows masked off with tape since the beginning of the year and figured id better do something before that tape gets permanently bonded to the window or something haha! Its still going to be another month or so before they actually go back on the car... (the high this weekend isnt even going to come close to above freezing, and there will be lots of snow on sunday) shade Quote www.shadeone.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadeone Posted April 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 another update... my window motor is getting repaired tomorrow and next weekend may finally be the weekend the quarter windows go in finally! Since i gashed up the black area on the car when taking them out, i decided to completely redo the black paint. last night i carefully taped off the surrounding areas and tonight i painted it... they are still somewhat wet in the pics but i just looked at them now that they are dry and they are perfect! Ill keep you guys posted on the install! shade Quote www.shadeone.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadeone Posted April 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 getting everything ready to put my quarter windows back in tomorrow and by chance took them out in the sun to see if there was any areas that needed touching up... to my horrible surprise, this is what the edge looks like now: a couple weeks ago, they were f**king PERFECT!!!!... now its starting to peel away and they havent even been put on the god damn car yet!!! well after i masked off the strip, i went in with some sort of window cleaner that i had around the house in an unmarked bottle (probably windex)... i wiped off the area that was going to get primed and i dont think i went all the way on the surface up to the edge of the the masking tape (3m painters fine edge tape). the areas that i cleaned with the window cleaner seem to have stuck and it seems like the areas that i didnt fully reach with the cleaner are the areas that seem to be peeling right now. i just got done taking all the black off and im going to be repainting them again tomorrow hopefully... this time im going to get some professional glass cleaner, use some better tape and pay better attention to the cleaning process. by the way, it was only the edges coming up... the further back to the outer edge seemed to be pretty solid and i had a tough time scraping some of it off! grrrrr Jamie Quote www.shadeone.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andydclements Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 You really must use the correct stuff, you need the adhesive primer that the glass guys use, not the adhesive itself just the prime paint, it sticks to glass brilliantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadeone Posted April 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 (edited) re did the sum'bitches today... took WAY more care to completely clean them before the masking job and also before applying the primer.... hopefully it sticks this time! yeah i know they arent completely matching but that was the best freehand curves i could do.... some day when i get my car entirely repainted, ill have the windows taken out again and professionally done... i just want them in before this weekends car show. shade Edited April 26, 2009 by shadeone Quote www.shadeone.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadeone Posted May 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 (edited) THEY ARE BACK IN FINALLY!!!!! window weld urethane fucking SUCKS. to anyone attempting this, keep LOTS of shop towels handy cus that stuff gets on EVERYTHING. pics: in teh pic above, some of the black on the ledge below the window had come up due to the masking tape i used when i put thewindows in place.... i will definitely be using some better paint when i re-do it. also take note that if you re-use your plastic finisher pieces as I did, they may not fit like they did before due to the thickness of the urethane seal changing... there is now a big gap on both sides between the finisher and the actual glass... I may have to use some caulking behind it to get it to touch the glass.... it IS a uniform gap so to the untrained eye it may look like its supposed to be there but it still bothers the hell out of me... shade Edited May 2, 2009 by shadeone Quote www.shadeone.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveEsprit Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 Great job,shade~ Looks wonderful~ I've this problem with my car too......I suppose this is a common problem with older Esprit~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadeone Posted May 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 yep, just another one on the list... if they would have only made the whole band with the stuff thats used on the thick leading edge part we would all be in good shape!! shade Quote www.shadeone.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodgy Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Stone the crows..... Would you believe we started to take the windows out of MarkTC's 88 turbo today, and there is a thread about it when we get back Quote Лотос - для тех которые знают разницу ENIGMA for those who are paranoid or download one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t70 Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Indeed Dave... Now we know how! SWEET!!!! Quote Modifying esprit's.. now that's fun..PS... I AM NOT A CERTIFIED MECHANIC.. I Have chosen to help those in need, in the past and must not be construed as being a certified technician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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