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Nope, it's not a wind up.

:sofa:

After ten years of running Esprits i need a change, am going to downsize and get an Elise.

Many reasons really, i'll try to list a few, none are the cars fault.

The main one is usage per cost. I'm using my Esprit once or twice a month and this year

it won't have even done 1500 miles between services. This is through choice, my home and

social life is better than it has ever been and i simply find stuff to do other than go out for a

drive.

In a couple of weeks we go on holiday, this will be me and Vicki's first ever holiday in the seven

years we have been together, and yet on most of those years i have spent four figure sums on

the car. I don't begrudge that money, but i'd just simply like a break from supercar ownership.

When i bought my S3 Esprit, i never thought in a million years that i would STILL be driving an

Esprit ten years (and some

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I think that's a sensible move, Paul. I, too, am selling my Esprit with the intention of replacing with, probably, an Elise in the fullness of time. In my case it's not the amount of money I have spent on it. In the last year the only non-routine maintenance parts I have had to buy have been clutch slave cylinder seals, a new clutch master cylinder, engine mounting rubbers and a voltage regulator for the instruments. I work on mine myself so I only have to pay for parts for regular servicing rather than paying labour costs so it's not expensive at all. My problem is lack of time to work on it. Having moved into a new house and travelling a lot with work means that much of my spare time is spent trying to get the garden sorted and I'm no gardener so I'm probably taking a lot longer than many others would.

Changing my engine mounts last night reminded me that I'm too old or lazy for lying on my back under a car while oily lumps of road dirt fall into my eyes and hair and all over my face. I really want something that has modern levels of servicing requirements, i.e. very little, while still giving a load of driving pleasure. I would love a S3 or S4 Elan but that would put me back with a car that needs a load of work to keep it on the road so I think an Elise really fits the bill. If I decide I can't wait for their prices to come down enough for me to afford, I may go for a Stevens Elan.

I will miss the sheer experience of driving the Esprit, though, the way the steering feels and the response from others. It's quite a conversation-starter.

Good luck with your sale and I hope it goes to a good home. Someone is going to get a very good car.

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The Elise is good, fantastic car - but it wont replace the Esprit for thrills and spills.

To be fair you can only have a true lotus experience if you own the pair of them - I've just seen way too many people sell GOOD Esprits and then wish to god they hadnt.

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Personal view but I think that the Elise is a better car to drive than the Esprit. :sofa:

If I wanted a fast blast down a B road I'd leave the Esprit's in the garage and take the Elise. They are different and to me, the Elise is simply a riot whereas taking the Esprit out is more an event.

Good luck in selling the car, you'll probably miss the Esprit but be glad once you've got an Elise if its a car that you can both enjoy and drive.

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Your plate is worth much, much more than you've estimated - even now. If you're not in a hurry to sell it stick it on retention and wait for the new car to be launched, then cash in.

Thanks mate, and i know.

:)

I know what the plate owes me. This will make my car stand alone from the others for sale,

i'm not SPENDING money getting it on a cert, getting plates made etc, i'm selling the car and

plate for

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Well, I cannot begrudge your decision to sell the Esprit... However, I would not say that the Elise is a better car. Newer, different service level to be sure, and still fun to drive. But not better. Having spent time with a 7, Esprit, and an Elise... I guess I would break it down like this: The Elise is more forgiving in the service department than an Esprit... the Esprit is more civilized than the 7... and the 7 is crazy fun for the hard core Lotus driver. Do not be fooled by the Elise though... there are some things on that car that are a straight up [email protected]#H to get to.

Still, it is a great car! It is different from a vintage Lotus though. Me, I like the older stuff. I'd take the 308 over the 360 - Countach over the Gillardo - Esprit over the Elise - Merak over the Spyder... Well, in truth, I'd take them all! But I like them all for very different reasons.

Cameron

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Well, I cannot begrudge your decision to sell the Esprit... However, I would not say that the

Elise is a better car. Newer, different service level to be sure, and still fun to drive. But not better.

Never said it was. Nor do i want a 'which is best' debate. running an Esprit is simply something

i have done for a long time and no longer want to do. An Elise is the chance for me to at least

have something Lotus and fun in the garage, but without it taking so much of my income.

Whatever happens i win, as i've run Lotus Esprits for over a quarter of my life, which ain't bad.

And the next owner will be as thrilled to bits with my car as i was the day i got it, which ain't bad.

It's no more complicated than that. I'd no more compare the Esprit to the Elise as a car than i'd

compare myself to my cat.

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Paul I can tell you having owned both S3 and S4 Esprits and now an S2 Elise 111s the Elise is not the Esprit. I miss my Esprit terrible but as far as servicing and running costs there miles apart i.e the Elise is far cheaper in every way. I use mine every day, had it a year and all I bought is 2 new tyres and a battery.

If you are going to get one and you,ve been used to the power of your SE I woudn't get the standard 120bhp because you will notice the power difference. 135bhp upwards is the way to go just because it gives you a bit more straight line speed.

One day when I can afford it I will have both, until then the Elise is the best option and its still a Lotus even though at does have that bit of an hairdresser imagine :sofa:

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Please guys, i can see my 'Selling my car' thread turning into an

Esprit is better than Elise or How much my number plate is worth

debate...

Does not help me in any way whatsoever does it?

:)

FWIW Both me and Vicki have driven both the Elise and Exige in several

engine specs. When i drive my Esprit its normally after a thousand miles

and three weeks in a diesel van, thats long been my only 'comparison'.

The Elise is not a replacement for the Esprit, at no point in my entire life

have i thought it even vaguely sensible to compare the Esprit to the Elise

(although i accept people do). I'd just like a Lotus in the garage, and the

Elise, in any guise, considering my rural location, fits the bill perfectly.

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My friend has a Elise and he wants to sell it to get a Esprit! He agrees his car lacks the character my Esprit has and he is also dissapointed at the cheap plastic tiny feel of the Elise.I think it is a "cute" car,but ultimately,I think you will enjoy it for a year or so and be back in Esprit ownership! You probably are thinkig wow,I should have not said a thing. But thats why this forum is so great,honest opinions...Enjoy

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Hi Paul,

Sorry to hear you are leaving the Esprit fold, when we have met up I have enjoyed your company.

Enjoy your holiday, and then your new toy the Elise - they are very nice to drive.

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Good luck with the sale Paul :whistle:

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Whoa! Me then Paul and Trevor as well. Hope I didn't start something! :whistle:

Paul, very sorry to see you selling your car but I totally understand, some of your reasons are similar to mine (except the owning 10 years and want a change thing). I think it's great that you are going on holiday and taking Vic away! Brilliant.

I do agree with Graham that your plate is worth alot more, but if thats the way you want to sell your car thats fine.

As someone who's spent a lot (A LOT) of time with Elise's, Exige and Europa I can honestly say that every Lotus has that Lotus feel and the Elsie is just a different animal. Great to see Vic will be driving it.

Good luck matey.

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Hi Paul,

Good luck in selling your Esprit. I hope you sell it soon. Winter months aren't the best time to sell as you know and you are looking at the top end of the price scale for an SE. I think you should get your advert in sooner rather than later, as before you'll know it, it will be December and no one really buys through these months unless they see a bargain. You'll get a lot of people asking for info then various pictures of the weirdest places! All this takes time which could take you upto your holiday.

Posting 'your selling' on here I don't think will get you a buyer (I could be wrong, I hope so). As I have learnt, people will try and talk you into not selling and when there's a mention of another car then it's always 'which car is best'. Lucky for you that you chose a other Lotus and most will either laugh or shoot you down at the thought of buying a non Lotus sports car.

I was looking at changing my V8 and my Saab con daily car for one 2+2 sports car but decided against it for many reasons. 1. Wrong time to sell cars and my daily car would lose thousands!, 2. Running costs on the car I was lookig at was the same as the two cars I have put together. 3. I know I would miss my Esprit too much! 4. I have become too attached to my Esprit lately, even the small problems I've had recently, has given me pleasure when I fixed it - see itam 3. 5. There's only one Esprit around where I live - see item 3 again. 6. I have made many good friends on this forum along with a well known Lotus specialist, some of which I consider as my best friends and it would hurt me to see Esprits every time I went to visit them - see item 3 again!

Onto your plate, I have been considering this seriously. Now my car has finished it tranformation from GT to last of the line edition (a couple of years ago), many people have told me that I need a plate to disguise my V Reg plate. It hasn't really bothered me but I do get these comments all the time when people see my car and it's condition, then are surprised it's a 9 year old car.

Lastly, you'll be missed on here as an Esprit owner with your contributions you have brought whether it be your dry sense of humour or back to basics approach on things. I know we've had our differences in the past but I know I will miss you (not in that way!).

Dave Walters

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Hi Paul, Well - what can I say but re-echo what everyone else has been saying... It's a shame to see you go but I do understand. I hope the car remains in the group and that we see it at future meets etc... I take it you'll still be coming along to LEF meets in the elise? And that oneday in the future you might even consider a return to Esprit ownership?

A lot of people selling and sold here now... Fishy, Kimbers, Trevor, you - It's just not gonna be the same without you guys... Come back someday! :whistle: All of you! :)

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He hasn't and isn't selling his Esprit, no idea where that came from. He still has his Lambo :whistle:

Paul isn't leaving the group, he's said he'll be sticking around and I'm glad of that :)

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Ah - that's my mistake then... when he changed his avatar - i just assumed that.

Yeah - I'm glad you're staying around Paul. Esprit or not. Yours and many other people's advice and help has been totally invaluable to me and many others down the years... :whistle: You should get a Lotus medal or something!

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many people have told me that I need a plate to disguise my V Reg plate. It hasn't really bothered me but I do get these comments all the time when people see my car and it's condition, then are surprised it's a 9 year old car

That's backwards logic; they are impressed by the age/condition then tell you to disguise it?

Paul; I've detected some disenchantment from you for a while, it's quite understandable for a multitude of reasons. I still think you'll miss it though.

Personally I've got my ultimate car now, but there are many other "runners up" which I would like to experience and can't afford to now I've blown my wodge on the Esprit. I find myself fancying daft stuff like Sunbeam Alpines or Rover SD1s, weekend stuff you would probably only keep for a year anyway, but it's not possible now.

I really should have built up to an Esprit "crescendo" and definitely feel I've painted myself into a corner sometimes. Well done for having the guts to cut loose and experience something else.

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That's backwards logic; they are impressed by the age/condition then tell you to disguise it?

Mark,

They tell me to do this so people who don't know the age and models of the Esprit, will think it's a newer car. Personally, Iam in the car driving it and won't see a private plate.

Still haven't worked out how to do the quote thingy?

Dave Walters

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Dave - Click this p_mq_add.gif on the post you wish to quote then click this t_reply.gif.

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