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Ok mate, if i do go that route i'll let you know!

I'm looking into possibly getting the exisiting wheels refurbed if there not too bad (haven't got the car atm and haven't seen the damage for myself yet so i can't say how bad things really are), but if push comes to shove i'll invest in a set of those wheels!

Cheers!:dizzy:

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on later cars (Ok it stands obviously for my '98 on..) the clutch line is the same material as the metal pipes of the ordinary brake lines. It goes along the main frame bar/ and up to the (LH on mine..) frame tube next to the engine/exhaust area. But there is an rubber-hose to compensate for flex between engine in its mounts and the frame. This is maybe 20cm long and goes just above the exhaust pipe from LH-bank -so it gets aged by flexing and [!] serious heat exposion from the exhaust underneath.

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Hmm i'll have a closer look at that then!

Pretty sure that i can remember there being a red plastic pipe coming off the clutch master cyl though, and i seem to recall that that same pipe goes to the back of the slave cyl too! (it looks like plastic airline pipe irrc!)

My dads SE is a 97 model btw- thought it was a 98, but when i got the reg doc's back the other day (obviously registred the car in my name now) it shows it as a 97 model!

Could that also mean then (being a 97 spec car) that it has the earlier single plate clutch with the heavier pedal, and might we be able to possibly upgrade it to the twin plate and get a lighter pedal (or have i totally got the wrong end of the stick/it can't be done!?)

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It can be done, parts are about £1,800 before fitting costs. Would be cheaper to join the gym and do some crunches :dizzy:

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Yup, much cheaper and a nice easy job :dizzy:

PS A normal clutch change is £1,400 on parts, that's the time to upgrade to the twin plate system!

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Ah ok, thanks for that i'll deffo keep it in mind!

What kinda mileages are the esprit clutches usually good for though?

I don't do silly ass tyre smoking starts or owt, but i do like to use what i have when i can if you get me!

As the car has only covered 27k so far i'd like to think there's atleast another 25k left in the clutch if not more!

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The vast majority of the earlier cars were upgraded from the single plate to the twin-plate, as part of a warranty/service upgrade. This also involved exchanging the aluminium bellhousing for a cast version to overcome vibration/resonance. There was a later alloy bellhousing design that did not suffer with vibration.

It is easy to check which clutch you have installed - just remove the boot floor and clutch slave cylinder bracket and peer inside.

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Mike S

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one of the cheapest parts is the *twin-plate* aluminium bellhousing, as that for example was available last year on the *Factory-Frolic* open-shop day (as part of the usual 'AfterSales sale out' organised by Lotus & TLF.. . It was around 25-30 GBP as far as i can say). . But you would still need release fork, release bearing tube/guide, an twin-plate clutch pack and so on.. .. clutch packs (complete ones..) are rare (as a unused package) ! Most who know about the AP-clutch packages store anything they can get a hand on in the garage -just in case of something going wrong with the fitted plates/package.

And finally the slave-cylinder system should be different on old/young V8 too ... Mike or Bibs or the others can tell you something about the part numbers of cylinder and cylinder bracket

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I'll ask into the costs involved with a swap to a twin plate assy as n when the clutch needs changing i think (kinda cross that bridge when i come to it)- assuming it isn't already!!!!!

What kind of longevity should i expect though with the Esprit clutch if it's treat with some respect n not wragged everywhere!?

Also where's the best place to source that braided line for the clutch hydraulics aswell??

Cheers again guys!

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what means 'best' place --cheapest ?!

Compare the prices on all those known parts dealers as for example *superdavelotus -> espritperformance* , *Marcus Freudhöfer/Rammspott -> PUK / R&B* ,*SouthWestLotusCentre* or all other from the 'Lotus-dealer' lists as you can also get discounts there as an ClubEsprit-member... .

Other alternative: use an line fabricated 'from the Meter' on an ordinary hydraulic shop (you will probbably need to make an facsimile type out of a string to measure the lenght..) -or use the search function in this board on fuel/water/hydraulic pipes -there were many suggestion on here for various companys who fabricate braided brake lines (wich would be simmilar..)

Bibs knows some, Mike knows some -think everyone will know one or two in his own neighborhood ?!

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have never bought one from R&B or PUK ..as my production year means I don't need one

-so I can't say anything about price comparison ...you're in UK ..right ?! What's with the UK sources ??

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IIRC they're about £40. Search the forum for 'pipeline motorsport'. :sorcerer:

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From what i remember P.U.K seemed more expensive, but then again it might work out nearly comparable with shipping costs included.

Everything seems expensive though- idly looked at a pair of K&N panel filters n nearly hit the roof when i saw how much they wanted for a pair of them- stupid!

IIRC they're about £40. Search the forum for 'pipeline motorsport'. :sorcerer:

That sounds more like it!

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Anything from PUK is expensive, they take the pee. Avoid! :sorcerer:

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I have a pair of nearly new K&N filters boxed if you are interested for £45 pair? PM if you are interested.

I did buy one of these bellhousing from Lotus last year for about £25.

You really need to establish your clutch system type and how it works. It might be worth taking a trip to your local specialist when you get chance.

If it's drivable then use your car a bit more and get to know it. Also see if there are any local V8 owners and see if you can meet up with them to compare clutch pedal feel etc.

Regards,

david Walters

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Definitely interested in the K&N panels, but don't really want to splash the cash on the car needlessly just yet until it's been to a specialist and has been given a thorough check over- if it gets the all clear & doesn't cost ££££'s to put right, then i'll certainly plough some money into the car to get it looking and driving as good as it can!

My cousin (who's a Detailer by trade) wants me to keep & run the Esprit & show it at various car shows etc.

I just need to play the waiting game now until atleast next Thursday when the Tax disc kicks in, and then I can make some inquiries and maybe get her booked in and checked over- all hopefully quickly and then with a little luck i'll be able to enjoy the back end of the summer & Autumn driving the car about!- fingers X!!!!!

Is there anyone local to me that you guys could recommend as being particularly worth while for going too to get the car checked over and sorted ( I'm based in Derbyshire!), I seem to recall someone mentioning a place near Derby & i suppose i could maybe consider Nick whales where the car came from if i had to travel further, But i'd certainly appreciate any recommendations for anyone who might "stand out" as being particularly worth taking the car too! I did consider getting the car back to Hethel, but the costs involved with actually getting there seem a bit daft if there's somewhere a lot more local that would be just as good!

Cheers for all the help and advice so far too guys- it's muchly appreciated!:)

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Just got off the Phone with Peter Smiths at Hatton, I have provisionally booked the car in there to get her checked out (next Fri) so things are finally moving forwards and hopefully there'll be a positive outcome to it all too!

Hopefully this is one step further now to being able to get the car on the road and being run & enjoyed regularly too- fingers X!

I'll keep this thread updated with info as n when i get it, but hopefully it shoudln't be too long now before this wee tale reaches it's conclusion!:wine:

All depends on how much it all costs, I initially have a budget of £4k to throw at the car and i'm hoping that i won't need half that to sort it (maybe i'm dreaming- what with labour costs n all that!) Depends how long it all takes i guess (& what's wrong!)

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Don't tell them your budget!

Good luck, fingers crossed the car is ok :wine:

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Don't tell them your budget!

Good luck, fingers crossed the car is ok :lol:

Cheers, & That goes without saying- they'll be told what's wrong & what "needs" doing, and obviously to call me once they have an idea of how much it'll cost to put right n nowt more than that!:wine:

I know this next question might be like asking how long a piece of string is- but:-

Do you think a budget of £4k should easily cover:-

1) Chassis & suspension check & steering alignment, + fix anything they find that needs addressing (as long as nothing TOO expensive crops up!!!!)

2) Check & Re-gas the Aircon system

3)Replace the drivers door window guide rubber/seal

4) Fix the heater (unless we can sort in mean time)

5) Fix a Possible small water leak on headertank hose (although that might be MOT guy barking up the wrong tree, because i'd been farting around adjusting the washer jets so potentially it was water running down from above!)

These are the "main" issues i'm initially bothered about, and as for the clutch/crunching in 1st sometimes, and the NSR shocker that's slightly weeping- i'd be happy enough if they could rectify the above as me n my cousin should be able to handle fitting new springs & dampers and that braided clutch hose if it comes to it!

As i said above- i'd really like to think that such a budget would easily cover that wee lot n leave money free to attend to the other small things that need addressing!

Not really sure WHAT to expect, but i do remember it costing my dad about £700 at Nick whales when the car had to go back n have a new radiator fitted (was running slightly hot!!!!) n he was told that was with discounted labour too (being as he bought the car from there!)

What do you guys think??? I can only really see one of the above wee list being any real trouble to source & fix n that's the chassis/suspension- the rest i'd have thought would be relatively straight forward and relatively cheap to put right! Well I HOPE so anyway!!!!!!

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if you an your cousin can handle spring & damper works -there should be no need to outsource the door-sealing (3) stuff ?

You don't need a heater to pass MOT in GB -do you (4) ?!

as for (5)... think nearly every water pipe in the engine system can be done in DIY ..as the material is ordinary stuff there. And if you check the 'overflow' pipe between main water reservour & overflow-tank in the wheelarch -it could simply be this is brittle and leaks if the car is hot and water passes along.. . The water pipes in the front under the car are also pretty much standart parts 'from the Meter' ..if you know what I mean :wine:

So outsource only an full 'rig-measurement' and underneath-inspection for the chassis on a specialist.

Aircon could be done at least on every 'open market' garage -i think..

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