f1karting Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 (edited) This topic is an expansion on discussions that have taken place on: Thinking out loud....., Renault box on a Giugiaro block..... We started discussing wheels, which then led to more off topic stuff... Thought that the discussion was best moved to a new topic area, since it kinda drifted off the discussion on the gearbox.. moderator now --------------------------------------------- Anyways.. I have had interest from some of you regarding some of my body-works in progress. This new front bumper has been shortened about 60mm and integrated into the OE airdam.. Note the airdam is about 35mm lower than OE. (It is actually now level with the side skirts: This new rear bumber is also about 60mm shorter than OE and has had the openings added to improve engine bay ventilation. I will probably add a smaller version of the "Lotus" word with dk grey graphic text font: This is a pic of the form Im making for part of the CF extractor/ diffuser that will fit under the rear of the car.. Edited January 10, 2006 by f1karting Quote If you set no goals you shall surely reach them.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splashout Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Love the front not so sure on the back although i think this is due to the car being dark and the bumper light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest teigan Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 everything you've done is appropriate for a track car. some of the changes do however compromise the proportions originally designed into the car. i like the effort to better ventilate the engine bay. i'd have done it through the number plate area. i assume you're drawing the air from beneath the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jussi Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Very professional looking job That front bumper looks very nice. Diffusor is a really race-thing, I have just like that on my old race car. Quote Check my blog and leave comments/suggestions Jussi's photography blogSee you in G+ Jussi Alanko in Google+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladerunner Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 I like it! It is a very professional job and not over the top. I know a lot of the members keep their cars original. I have decided to change my car to my preference without stuffing the car up. Steering wheel, carpets, bigger turbo etc can all be put back to standard if I wished to do so. I personally like the look and would like to see it when it is finished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil_Dr_Fish Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Awesome! I REALLY like the idea of lowering the front spoiler. I have long planned to have the S350 style rubber blip put on mine - I'm just a little worried as to how it will look? I personally think high speed stability / air under the car is an issue on our older cars ...but my shocks etc are almost 20 years old and very tired - I await the new, 1inch lower, Lotus Suspension before making any final conclusions! Quote "When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked him to forgive me." ------------------------------ G-Car Owner and Proud! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon350S Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Didn't realise the new Factory suspension was going to actually lower the car!! Cool!! B) Problem is going to be the many roads with sleeping policeman!!!! Does this mean we are going to be excluded from half the city centre roads in Great Britain???? Quote Chunky Lover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil_Dr_Fish Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 The new suspension has two selectable ride heights... Standard and 1" lower Quote "When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked him to forgive me." ------------------------------ G-Car Owner and Proud! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverfrost Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 (edited) I like the idea of the back end and it looks very smart! are you going to mesh it or leave it open? i have a feeling your car is going to look very smart when finished! i await a nice clean crisp picture of the finished car so i can use it as a screen saver to insire me on future mods on my car regards dan Edited January 9, 2006 by silverfrost Quote A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f1karting Posted January 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 (edited) are you going to mesh it or leave it open? regards dan <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Appreciate the compliments Dan.. Actually, the muffler will pass right past the openings, so I recon Ill go for a black finish on the muffler so it isnt in your face.. mesh or not to mesh, I dont know for sure at this point.. I like the mesh on the new Jag grill.. an 8mm open weave style.. Id use that if I added a mesh (black of course). I have had ideas offered where I should consider poking a couple of 120mm center dump exhausts out the openings.. Im not sure.. its only a 4-pot.. the twin 120 is kinda more suited to V8 cars. The nice part about the openings are they will allow the heat of the exhaust system to escape easier..(ever noted how hot stuff gets in the back) Edited January 10, 2006 by f1karting Quote If you set no goals you shall surely reach them.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f1karting Posted January 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 (edited) Awesome! I REALLY like the idea of lowering the front spoiler.... I personally think high speed stability / air under the car is an issue on our older cars <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thanks.. I will also be adding a flexy blip under the air dam.. kinda like the C5 Corvette use. It will reduce the front exposure to under-car airflow to about 80mm.. That should help as well. Edited January 10, 2006 by f1karting Quote If you set no goals you shall surely reach them.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f1karting Posted January 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 I like it! It is a very professional job and not over the top. I know a lot of the members keep their cars original. I have decided to change my car to my preference without stuffing the car up. Steering wheel, carpets, bigger turbo etc can all be put back to standard if I wished to do so. I personally like the look and would like to see it when it is finished. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thanks.. I am following in your footsteps.. I have all the OE stuff...everything... and the car can be returned to standard if desired. My objective is to not hack the car up for the sake of the modifications. I will make new parts, like Im doing with the engine cover instead of destroying good OE parts. My target is to make subtle modifications and changes, within the intent of the original car.. to build the car as Lotus may have if it were to be produced today. Some people may thingk Im crazy, but then maybe I am Quote If you set no goals you shall surely reach them.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f1karting Posted January 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 (edited) everything you've done is appropriate for a track car. some of the changes do however compromise the proportions originally designed into the car. i like the effort to better ventilate the engine bay. i'd have done it through the number plate area. i assume you're drawing the air from beneath the car. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Im not so sure I agree completely... sure, track car, OK.. but why not a performance road car? Design proportions, I dont agree with at all... regulatory requirements, definately.. the ride height and bumbers are all federal regs, nothing to do with design intent. I am sure Lotus hated the bumbers they were forced to put on for the bloody NA market. Ever seen what Lambo and Ferrari had to do to their cars meet the regs.. hideous. I avoided the license plate area cause I kinda need that area for the license plate Besides, I want to keep all the rear storage area in the car, so that kinda precluded the idea. Im no aerodynamicist (sp?) but I recon there is a decent negative pressure at the back of the car, allowing air to be drawn in thru the side skirts across the lower half of the engine and brakes, past the exhaust, and out the back. My line of thinking was "the bigger the outlet the better" If it draws additional air from underneath, then so much the better.. I am actually hoping that the outlets, along with the extractor will produce a more "organized" and improved airflow under the rear of the car and thru the engine bay. Edited January 10, 2006 by f1karting Quote If you set no goals you shall surely reach them.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest teigan Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 everyone knows i love bumpers. i wish they'd gone all the way with pre-eighties fully functional bumpers. i agree the S3 front bumpers stick out an inch too far. a metal bar would have been more elegant, and still achieved the international requirements. the S1 looks best up front, because it's most naked. a metal bumper would have been a peek-a-boo version of the same look. a nice place to mount the lamps too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slade Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Big fan of the back, not bad at the front either lookin forward slade Quote "It's called a fire hydrant. Firemen like to stick their hose in it, and eventually squirt water from it."Owner of 86 TE HCI, and 55 Chevy. Stare at broken down TR7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f1karting Posted January 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Big fan of the back, not bad at the front either lookin forward slade <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It looks a bit in your face being such a contrast.. I quickly photoshopped it in black and it blends better.. Quote If you set no goals you shall surely reach them.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splashout Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Aghhhh thats much better i thought the contrast was not doing it any favours. Must admit it is looking good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil_Dr_Fish Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Dude! That's awesome! (Falls off snowboard! lol) I cant wait to see the finished article. I will be very interested in how you implement the rubber blip as I have always wondered how it would handle the "square" corners - are you thinking of cutting it and making a coner or just bending it? How will you attach it? Basic Drill and screw - if so do you have any concerns about locating the drill holes? Quote "When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked him to forgive me." ------------------------------ G-Car Owner and Proud! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lwasson Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Jan This is really nice. You have a good eye for smooth lines. I need a new bumper too. I didn't notice the problem until I got the car back together. Looking at the car from a distance the bumper has some issues. Like the rest can't wait to see the finished product. louis '83 Turbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrieStone Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Jan, Good job, those bumpers look really nice. Can't wait to see them finished! Quote 1997 Jeep XJ | 1983 Lotus Turbo Esprit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f1karting Posted January 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 (edited) Dude! That's awesome! (Falls off snowboard! lol) I cant wait to see the finished article. I will be very interested in how you implement the rubber blip as I have always wondered how it would handle the "square" corners - are you thinking of cutting it and making a coner or just bending it? How will you attach it? Basic Drill and screw - if so do you have any concerns about locating the drill holes? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I was contemplating making it up from black LDPE, basically produce a 30mm wide horizontal curve the shape of the u/s of the air dam (or whatever fits), from say 4mm stock, then plastic weld the vertical blip portion onto it. The horizontal piece would be sandwiched between the the backside of the air dam lip and the radiator undertray. Hopefully then when I run over stuff with it it will be flexy enough to bend out of the way but tough enough to hold its shape... It should be cheap to make and build few as spares as well.. who knows.. thats the plan for now.. may change as time goes by.. Edited January 11, 2006 by f1karting Quote If you set no goals you shall surely reach them.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Blue Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 Love it! I'm looking into what to do for my V8 project as well, since it will spend a lot of time on the track. With the LS1 and the G50 I'll be using, it'll be geared to just over 200...Don't think I want to test that, but it would be nice if it remained stable and glued down at ~170 or so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f1karting Posted February 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 Love it! I'm looking into what to do for my V8 project as well, since it will spend a lot of time on the track. With the LS1 and the G50 I'll be using, it'll be geared to just over 200...Don't think I want to test that, but it would be nice if it remained stable and glued down at ~170 or so... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thanks and cool project!!.. tell me more about your chassis stiffening plans. how much do you figure the LS1 engine/G50 gerbox will add to the cars weight? Have you seen the M71 project pages? Quote If you set no goals you shall surely reach them.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneB Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 You do nice work Jan Sorry I didnt reply earlier , but I missed it for some reason Love the rear bumper, but agree with some of the others the nose looks a bit blunt.(still nice though) Hasnt Michael Rodregues shortened the bumpers on his Turbo Esprit as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Blue Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 Thanks and cool project!!.. tell me more about your chassis stiffening plans. how much do you figure the LS1 engine/G50 gerbox will add to the cars weight? Have you seen the M71 project pages? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I haven't mapped out my stiffening mods yet, I'm going to wait until the car is here and see how I can incorporate the hidden cage with the chassis, for more weight/space efficiency. The LS1 is all aluminum, so I'm not sure how much the drivetrain will add to the car...I doubt very much...I'll know that before it goes in (help with deciding spring rates). I haven't seen the M71 project, can you post a link? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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