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bit the bullet lotus springs a shocks it is. who needs membership to get discount !!!!! :whistle:

mind you i had to part exchange my running lights in. i was told to chuck them on the floor next to the disco ball.

If you got the members discount without being a paid up member consider yourself banned from the site.


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no didnt use membership discount as i dont have it. only motor trade discount that i would normaly get though our motor trade with main dealers. but thankyou for all your help.

as a matter of fact do you have any details on tlf membership ie costs/ benifits/ who colects funds ect

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Good man, the main benefit really is the continuation of the site - without which you couldn't really chat with other people and talk about the upgrades and get tech help in such luxury (*unless you like the pistonheads forums lol ?)

Which in the grand scheme of things saves you MUCH, much, much, munch more than the cost of a yearly membership.

The discounts are a bonus.

"Dont ask what your club can do for you, but what you can do for your club" :whistle:

Only people with 4x4 Esprits are those who didn't fit the suspension propperly :thumbsup:

It has to be re-set with the correct weight (2 people - 1/2 tank fuel) - 94.7% of people (inc me) negated the importantce of this issue.

Remember the shocks will only settle - they'll look nuts for the first few hundred miles - mine only started settling after about 1500 miles !

Lotus state the cars will sit higher than before but this is their -correct- ride height as per the specifications. That said I would recomend using the lower setting on the dampers (esp the fronts).

I spent ages discussing this with Brian at the factory (I know, poor bloke having me chew his ear off every 10mins) and we came to the conclusion it was a PICNIC situation (problem in chair, not in car).


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Mines a 4x4 apparently (if you speak to Simon350) and it was fitted by Strattons...case rested.


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I think 4x4 is a little strong...

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Rog - take a look at the fronts, I bet they set the fronts on the upper platform setting which accounts for the high nose. You could drop that fairly easily by 10mm or so and still be in spec.

Thing is the 'real' ride height of the cars is not what we are used to - I bet if you measured the ride height correctly it would be in spec.

Here's mine which is in spec.

Unladen

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Laden

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It does look high when unladen - plus my rear tyres here are WELL worn (ie probably down by 10mm) the new ones I have are much larger diameter same specs.

My settings are lower front - upper rear platforms.

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I've not seen one car thats had them fitted where it doesn't ride mega high, not quite as high as Lisa's Shogun but still high!

I don't disagree that its good equipment and that it provides an exellent balance betwen ride and handling..... but.. God those cars sit high.

Jon you've spent ages trying to get yours to how you like it and have even spoken about bigger wheels if I remember correctly to try and help.

Yes, loading up the car with half a tonne of spuds on the seats and filling her up with 37.29785 litres of fuel whilst using the lowest of the platforms, then nipping up the bushes, just about achieves the standard ride height.

The lower notch in the shock is supposed to be a 1" ride height drop from standard though which it just isn't. Unless you machine an extra grove in the damper to allow the platform to be dropped further then I just don't see how a lowered stance can be achieved?

Bibs, your car was low low low, looked ace for it, I'm not sure your going to be happy with it when you get it back unless they've preformed some lowering voodoo magic on the setup.

I'll happily stand back and appologise if I can be prooved wrong.

I don't and won't sit here and profess to know more about ride and handling than Lotus, and I'm sure I'll be shot down in flames by people who know I have GAZ single adjustables fitted to my little girl, and I have no doubt that if Michael Schumacher were driving my car compared to a factory equipment shod car he would be able to drive it a lot harder and achieve better lap times, but I still have to cringe at the sight of speedbumps which fills me with some wierd kind of satisfaction.

An Esprit should be low and mean (neons optional). Daves shiny black beauty is a prime example, some may think a little too extreme but sometimes style should prevail over practicality. cool.gif

Just my 2p, feel free to start shooting me down in flames! :P


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Dave can't drive his car faster than 30mph on a bumpy roads or it bounces off the bump stops. Driving up by Hethel not so long ago I thought he'd broken down he was going so slow where I was having the time of my life on the roads up by Lakenheath. Supercars are about supreme ride and handling, that's what's important to me. There's no 'ton of spuds' required, mid laden weight is the average weight your car will be when you're driving it about, you are that ton of spuds.

As Jon said, his car is exactly at the right ride height. My car is/was on 20 year old springs and dampers, it's no surprise they're sagging.


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Roger, yours is nowhere near a 4x4 when you compare it to mine.

We now know the front springs are too strong and I must get some others (ones that suit the car weight not the chassis which is later type), and Brian has confirmed this.

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Just read you post Jon.

I'm not understanding the need for people to use lower front groove and upper rear groove to achieve a level stance? Thats not how its supposed to be.

Upper notch front and rear is standard height balanced front and back.

Lower notch is supposed to be 10mm lowered from standard height balanced front and back. (Please not my earlier commet of 1" lower is incorrect, I've just reread the information)

I can just imagine having a conversation with some dude or chick on the side of the road, or at a meet/show somewhere.

Enthusiast: Nice car mate.

Esprit Owner: Cheers.

Enthusiast: Rides a little high though don't you think?

Esprit Owner: It'll settle in a few hundred thousand miles. Actually how much do you weigh?

Enthusiast: 11.5 stone why?

Esprit Owner: How lucky, so do I.

Enthusiast: What are you doing now?

Esprit Owner: I'm measuring the fuel level with a pipette, hang on a second I wont be long. Right hop in next to me.....

Enthusiast: Err.... ok mate...

Esprit Owner: Look now, much better now were sat in it and did you know thats only half a tank of fuel, I could brim it and lower it a few more milimetres, but then I'd have to reset my bushes.

Enthusiast: Oh... ok, (muttering under breath) Wierdo!

As I said, Daves car is a little on the extreme side, but it works for him. Most people don't drive their cars as fast as you do dude especially over bumpy roads and I'd go out an a limb and say that a high percentage of owners bought their cars on a how cool they look basis which is not wrong its just a choice. As you said, you car was riding great even though it has dropped far below original factory spec so it is possible to combine a balance of function and fashion.

Also I don't remember ever seeing the cars at the motorshows, in showrooms, or magazine reviews looking quite as high as some of the photos I've seen in here.

Hey, those who use the stuff and are happy with it great, I'm just voicing an opinion and I'm not on my own with that opinion.

I would use the Lotus stuff, but I'd have to have an extra lowering platform option machined into the body of the damper before I'd fit it otherwise I'd not be happy. Its a lot of money to not be happy with the results.

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As you said, you car was riding great even though it has dropped far below original factory spec so it is possible to combine a balance of function and fashion.

I never said it was riding great, in fact the reason I'm changing to the new stuff is that my car was becoming too soft.


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So I used the wrong word and mis-quoted you, I appologise. I was purely pointing to the fact that you said you were having the 'time of your life' driving your car which means it can't have been all that bad even if it was riding low.

Look, if the Lotus stuff works for those who buy it great, I'm just stating where I am with it and that its not the be all and end all and seems to still have its flaws.

EVERY car without exception that I've seen with it fitted has looked far too high for a car in this class, it just doesn't work asthetically.

At no point have I questioned whether it is of good quality or doubted its ability to do its job better than anything else thats out on the market at present without significant experienced set up time by a professional.

I'm just expressing an opinion, an opinion based on the fact having seen the cars in the flesh they just look wrong.

Shoot me :)

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To be honest i probably would like mine lower than it sits, but that's how Strattons and Lotus intended it i guess - i make no secret of the fact that i'm not quite ready for a docking session with the boys at Hethel and Main Dealers/Independent 'Specialists' but this i feel is reflected in my tasteful modifications and customisations and personalisation of MY CAR, I also went for a stainless clutch hose and de-cat/custom exhaust definitely not what Lotus intended...i will stand here to be shot too but I will not hesitate to give my opinion especially when i've had this new kit for over 2 years and spent plenty of good money with all of the above...I also distinctly remember Sir Bibs 'Loving my new suspension' when he drove it literally a month after it was fitted at Donny 07... To be perfectly honest I would fit or remove the suspension along with any other part (apart from LED underlughting) on how Bibs felt it rode/worked such is my confidence in his appraisal of the product and with his 'driving style' i know i would be getting the schumacheresque appraisal...You too Si and in fairness when you took her across the valleys with dodgy and the snail was Nuclear orange on your return surely you got a feel for the 4x4 quality?


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Simon, not shooting you in flames btw.

Yep I tried for ages to sort mine but I have said a few times it was me that was wrong.

Brian Angus spent a lot of time working with me on it. My issue was that I overlooked the importance of setting the suspension at the correct weight/ride height.

The thing is the ride height is specified under those conditions, in post #33 you're making light of this (with the spuds / 37.29785 litres of fuel) and thats what alot of people inc me and some dealers decided were tosh too. Poor Brian must read this and tear his hair out, once I listened to what he was telling me the car was fine and in spec. I make no issues over the fact it was my fault not Lotus.

The knotch is an approximate ride difference of 10mm, however what you need to remember is my car rides V8 wheels which are 16mm diameter larger than the standard wheel and tyre so the ride height goes up by 1/2 that (8mm).

The issues Brian explained to me was the car is in spec, the pictures you see of mine are of a car in correct Lotus approved ride height spec. If you want it lower lotus will do it but don't recomend it, Lotus produce the best handing cars, by lowering the suspension you stuff that up...unchangable aspects such as the wishbones and chassis cannot be altered to accomodate for an out of spec car.

One of the reasons I recomend the lower setting is that it's an ass to change, most people will fit the car and be un-happy with the std height, I've talked to a few people who have done this (eg Chris internets) and they agree.

Here are my specs.

Lotus:

Front : 180mm

Rear : 180mm

Laden

Front: 183mm lower setting - the car drops 17mm ! when laden

Rear: 183mm upper

If I had the correct wheels it would be :

Front : 175mm lower

Rear : 182mm upper

Tollerance is +/- 5mm

So as you see mine it rides on the upper part of the tollerance BUT the car is light as hell (possibly the lightest post 1989 car on the road) and to be honest it's not used as much as I like. Yes I'd like it to be lower, but at the compramise of the ride and handling....nah, frankly I have the car for me and I love it, I dont care what other people think of it - if people think it ride high then thats all well and good, I'd much rather drive it than look at it.

What I think people do is compare it to modern lambos and ferraris etc where their suspension systems cost more than our cars alone ! Yes the Esprit still kicks ass up there in the handling department. Even modern cars such as my mates Audi A3 ride low becuase thats the styling however what people negate to understand is suspension travel is paramount in theaspects of grip under braking, accelerating and cornering. The common consensus is that the lower the better and thats not commonly correct unless you're talking F1 handing (ie handing and no ride quality).

My story with the suspension is a good example of how I thought it was wrong and it isn't - facts and figures speak for themselves on this one.

As I say Im not sniping at ya, I'm just trying to explain the ins and outs from someone who has been there.


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I've lowered the golf 30mm it looks cool as fech, Touran next, couldn't give a rats ass what VW think.

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BTW Simon reading your closing comments on the other post 38 - I totally agree, if you spend money and time on a car you want it to be perfect, funny I bought this up when (as you say) I was looking at wheels/tyre choice to try and make the car look how I wanted and got shot in flames :)

The press cars were somewhat lower, infact the GT3 was higher to promote people into buying the more expensive V8.

The Essex car was extremely low.

If you want lower cars - fill yer boots, I must admit if I take my suspension off I might turn another slot in the damper myself to fine tune the look, however at the moment it's far too much work, the car looks OK, works well - think you can end up busting a blood vessel over things like this (lesson I've learned recently)

Remember the car will only drop so in 10 years time Idont expect to see the same ride height


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got new lotus springs and shocks this afternoon. on the rear shocks there is an external c clip in one of two groves, on one it is fitted to the top and the other to the bottom. the front shocks have them on the top. question is top or bottom?

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Thats the ride height setting, I take it you got no instructions ? That was my only critisism of the kit.

The top groove is the standard ride height setting, the lower groove should set the car to about -10mm ride height.

Everyone I have spoken to with this I have suggested bottom on the front and either top or bottom at the rear and judge for yourself. Reason I say bottom for the front is 98.976% of people prefer that lowered and agressive look, with new springs and dampers the car WILL sit high on most cars for a while so by putting it on the lower setting it compensates and still maintains the look, you can change it at a later date but if I was a betting man I bet you dont.

The rear setting is much easier to change on the car without too much hassle so it matters not. I went for high because if I didn't like it I just put spring compressors on when the car is under it's own weight, lift the car, drop the platform and then re-position the car without too much hassle or having to compress the spring - it's much easier to move from a compressed spring to relaxing it that the other way around on the rear damper.

The front is so much more likely to suit the lower setting.


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Jon, if the dealers are fitting this stuff wrong then thats a pretty serious issue, especially when huge money is being paid for the privilidge.

I've no disrespect directed towards Lotus, as I've said this the best stuff available without investing serious time and money into seting an adjustable system up, I have big respect to them for developing it for the owners in the first place, there was no compulsory reason for them to do so.

I have driven your car Roger and it did indeed drive fab, even if a steering arm needed replacing, I honestly didnt try the handling out in seroius anger despite all the popping and banging that could be heard, honest ask Dodgy :P

Steve, if your happy with your purchase once fitted then great (just make sure the right number of potatoes are used during fitting :) ), Bibs the same if your happy with it and it means you can scare the pants off future passengers then great too (not scared me yet mate, I find my passenger experiences thoroughly enjoyable :) although I do fear having an accident in one of these cars but thats due to my size and distinct lack of available crumple space!)

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I am picking this topic up a bit late, but FWIW I installed the total damper/spring package on my car in October. It is an excellent set up, and if you are at all mechanically inclined it is pretty easy to install if your undercarriage isn't too gummed up. I used SJ Sportscars as my supplier.

The set-up of the suspension afterwards is somewhat fussy, because the adjustment points for toe (on the front) and camber (on the rear) are very fine. Front camber and caster should be unaffected by the install, but the rear toe adjustment requires shims, and therefore anyone you take the car to would need those items available.

Also, for some reason, I missed the middle 2 pages of this topic...getmecoat.gif So now I will add my 2 cents worth on ride height: standard setting = totally normal looking car to me. Measured it about 5 times at mid laden weight, and the specs were within 1-2mm of the nominal, so I expect they will settle to perfect in a few months.

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Simon - I tend to agree which is why I do most of my work myself, the Esprit is long out of production though and main dealers are really only geared for A,B,C servicing old cars and the currently built ones. I dont know many dealers with a TECH 1 for example - thats their lookout, the info is all there in the service manual so there is no excuse really unless you skip over it.

Nice to hear yours is good too Patrick.


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As Patrick said the new dampers etc shouldn't later your front camber, but it can impact your front caster if the ride heigh at one end is altered relative to the other end. If the front raises relative to the rear the angle of the chassis alters so it moves the caster pivot axis accordingly. It should only come into play if the old springs and dampers are allowing one end to set out of spec, or if the new ones are not set within spec (generally due to people not loading the car before tightening pinch bolts). This is in the same way the rear toe may be affected, which is a result of the rear ride height altering.

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