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There's nothing she said which was bigoted imo, she asked where imigrats were flocking from (flocking or f...ing ?) - tbh they were saying much about nothing. Not that the word bigot can be labeled souly alongside racism - Bigot; a person who is utterly intolerant of any difference of belief, or opinion.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8649448.stm

I dont think either of them were making much sense !

The prob he had is he didn't wanna talk to her on her level and she took too much of his time up when he should have kept walking instead of getting into a drawn out discussion - the fact is if you watch the interview they left on good terms, smiles and jokes then when she's out of earshot he calls her a 'bigoted woman' - what she was is an old natterbox :thumbsup:

You're still allowed to say what ever you want (just) in this country, it's just when you're touting your prosepected employer for votes, it's better not to insult them before polling day :shock:

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Fantastic, he shows his true colours a two faced liar.

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Yes, thts what this is about. Brown being 2 faced, a liar and goes to show that his policies on Immigration aren't the paper they are written on.

In one sentence he says he "understands" her concern over immigration (and has stated in the past it's a big issue for Labour) and with the very next sentence calls someone who has concerns over immigration a bigot!

What was also interesting was how "Sue" was discussed. She should never have put a normal person with concerns infront of him.

I'd hate to think what would have happened to poor old Sue if this hadn't come out! Poor girl would have been sacked I reckon!

What worries me most is Browns total shock that any of his people would let him speak to a normal person with normal concerns infront of a camera! "WHo on earth let me speak to her?" Showing that by probability everyone else he is seen with is prob vetted!.....or they will be from now on!

First indications show 8% drop in support....Lmao!

OI! Brown! :thumbsup:

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Have you seen that creep Mandelson saying "it dosn't reflect his character"

Talk about an own goal. If you want Gordon I can get you a gun to shoot the other foot off.

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As much as I love to see GB squirm, if the woman was a bigot then surely he's allowed to express that.

Fair does, I agree with you, BUT she wasn't a bigot and that was GB's mistake for me. All she did was ask some fair questions. I'm not saying I agree with how she felt, but they were fair questions asked in a fair way. I sincerely hope he's gone now.

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Brown's gaff received significant coverage on US news programs. I'm obviously not qualified to make accurate judgements about UK political issues, but the whole episode seems to confirm my long standing belief that a voter can never truly know the precise nature of a candidate's stance on much of anything. Politics being politics, and the primary goal being that of garnering the most votes from the electorate, what else can the prospective office holder say, other than what he thinks the voters wish to hear? The few genuinely honest candidates almost always fall by the wayside, victims of their own truthfulness and the beguilements of their opponents. A bit of a gloomy view I suppose, but voter hypocrisy would be the alternative.

Being second is to be the first of the ones who lose.

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To quote the late Douglas Adams..."They'll be first up against the wall when the revolution comes...."

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Being second is to be the first of the ones who lose.

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Vote tomorrow, if you're undecided look here :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8515961.stm?col1=none&col2=none&col3=none#subject=constitution&col1=none&col2=libdem&col3=none

Great link which allows you to select upto 3 potentials and then chose what is important for you.

No excuses really, go and vote :getmecoat:

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No excuses really, go and vote :(

Agree 100% :getmecoat:

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So it looks like the House of Lords is going to be reformed with at least some proportion of the Lords being elected. Shame as it always seemed a good thing to have a second house full of experienced politicians who don't have to chase votes giving proposed legislation the once over and being able to send it back to the Commons for a re-think.

Don't like the Liberals' plan for a written constitution. The old constitution seems to cause no end of arguments over here about whether something is constitutional or not. Keeps lots of lawyers in business. Britain has a 1000 years of legal precedent to draw on when making legal decisions. Should be enough.

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My mind is made up on Conservative. Constitution was high on my voting priority, but I'm still not won over by Liberals arguments about proportional representation...I dug a lot into it and came out more confused really. Why is it all of the sudden we need political reform ? I dont remember this being on the agenda last time around, I think Clegg sniffs victory and wants to secure an easier way of his party to be re-elected. Lib Dems were also slated badly in the interviews I saw, inc Mr Cable which didn't bode well.

I support the Tory 10% pay cut on MP's (should be more really) that's leading from the front and I support the Defence policy which is really close second on my list.

I dont think we can afford Trident replacement (it's necessary but not at the expense of other things) but we must be steady in Afghan and be a key role in NATO.

I like some of the Liberal domestic policies and I dont like some of the Conservative ones - but as a whole package the Conservatives have the edge imo.

Voting Labour is just out of the question, everything is continue as we are and we desperatly need something fresh.

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the only problem with these web sites, are that they are based on the manifesto's which often as not are ignored after the elections due, to be kind, a change in issues which are yet to show or that they are simply impossible to impose when looked into fully. We never know what's round the corner. Also seeing, on the box, the political masters having to justify these claimed policy's I think helps to decide if its a realistic proposal or not.

Sky News are doing a quiz which claims to show the party nearest to your views.

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I had this sicussion with a council person, the issue is they cannot promise anything ! As you know even bills put through by Labour were un-popular in their own party and sometimes voted against just to give Gordon a bloody nose. Other thing is, everyone's dodging it, is the debt...

When I left the Police we were nigh on non-functioning department becuase of cuts imposed on us already. I think we were the only public secort to get a pay rise fixed to 1% over 3 years and our overtime was slashed. A lot of our work was night time and prep in the day - it got binned and crime was allowed to run un-checked which was part of the reason why I left. The police were asked to save 500 million this budget year which is ALOT and thats just the police, an essential front line service.

Be under no illusions that these promises go out the window, I'm just hoping we dont end up like Greece - I wouldn't expect much over the next 4-5 years, the issue is so bad - read the IFS study, even the Lib dems overbudget by about 60% !!!

I see it like a gabling game, atm we're down - do you leave the table with what you have and make do, cut some expendature next month (conservative) or do you sit at the table and try and fight your way out (Labour) - I know what I'd do.

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I have to agree the national debt is the real issue......

the conservatives tried to talk about it a while back, the result was a drop in ratings. So we are in denial and it would seem, prefer instead to listen to the "its not so bad spin" given out by others.

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Just an insider example:

Kent Police had one of the larger budgets of the non specialised forces (Met being one, Greater Manchester being another) our 2010 budget was £285 million (approx 70:30 central government:Local tax)

Kent is one of the higher band forces becuase of the population (5th in the country), area, borders with the sea, channel tunnel and proximity to London.

So imagaine next year we say, all police forces stay the same, no more cash - but we'll totally wipe out Kent and say Essex too. Thats the cut backs we will be facing.

Police, like health and so on are essential front line services....imagine what cuts will need to be made on things like the roads, and other non-essentials....

I hope they got it wrong, I really do but the IFS says it, the Bank of England says it too - it's Bachman Turner Overdrive with "You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet"

Oh and just a quicky why proportional representation is not a good idea. Under the Lib Dem concept you would rate the candidates as 1-2-3-4-5 and so on, just like an F1 race position makes points.

Whilst this on surface looks fiar it forces you to grade choices for other party's you might HATE.

For example I would vote : Conservative, Liberal, Labour - but I REALLY want Conservative (90:10) and my 2nd place vote for Liberal might probably get them in on the basis that, me, like others only rated them there as the best of a bad bunch.

Would the Liberals change anything as well ?

I mean IF they get into power, would they chop in a system that got them there ?

They'd certinaly look at the system they would impliment and look at the potential result - what if that had another party as the victor under their proposals, of course they wont change it.

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I have yet to see, hear or encounter anything or anybody who's political opinion is worth anything to me, or anyone with an opinion i consider to be their own and not adopted from somewhere or someone else.

Still true.

You could pull the plug on the PC and go stand in a post office queue or at any bus stop and hear identical non original views the same as those offered on this thread. In fact it's the kind of repetitive, recycled and 2nd hand impotent opinions and one off stories (the country won't vote on) that this thread is so very rich with, that tires people of the whole thing. People simply don't listen to a bunch of guys 'putting the world to rights', nobody cares. Hence this thread is reduced to a small group of posters and ignored by the rest. Seven pages of nothing new.

IMHO if everyone that only had the same thing to say over and over again, yadda yadda, same faces etc, patting each other on the back for echoing the same thing to each other every year, (just like this thread) chose to give the world a break and not say it all over and over again (as they offer 100% nothing anyway) and use the vote they have and juast shut up... then maybe other people would vote rahter than be bored titless?

There should be a chain to pull on threads like this (IMO).

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Oh, and as it's a political discussion then my post is exactly as valid as any other on here, no matter how much you don't like it!

How poxy is that, you pour your heart out and the words you type are exactly as valid as this post and nothing more, as neither your word or mine is right.

Thats politics i guess! (IMO)

Stroll on, you are truely changing everything, just make sure you copy and paste it all to use again next time...

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Couldn't disagree with you more but there ya go.

Seriosly, though why bother posting something like that ?

What makes me laugh is that the same stuff isn't being repeated. It's quite relavant and the reason why this is the best election in years.

It's YOU thats repeating the same thing over and over and over within on topics like this...

We've had this time and time again, if you dont like it ignore the post, go and start a thread about how good Elise's are vs Esprits.

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Seriosly, though why bother posting something like that ?

If you don't like it you could have chosen not read it mate, but you are not a head in the sand kind of guy.

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You have known me well long enough to guess accurately at the content, but you chose to read that which you do not admire purely to judge it by it's content and then you are no different then me reading this thread for the same reason, your observation on my post is no more or less valid then my observations on this thread. You have to read someone elses views to be able to make a comment on them, you can't just wish them away or ask them not to offer them.

We've had this time and time again, if you dont like it ignore the post !

You really want to enter the thinking that people should not question what they don't like?

Golly!

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The one thing that has annoyed me this election is the way the Liberals have painted them selves as whiter than white, They are far from it.

Paul you seem to have not quoted Jonathan correctly

Jonathan said:

We've had this time and time again, if you dont like it ignore the post, go and start a thread about how good Elise's are vs Esprits.

You quoted Jonathan as saying:

We've had this time and time again, if you dont like it ignore the post!

Reminds me of the way the media distorts quotes....

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It's going to get a lot worse after who ever wins.

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