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Paul Coleman

Starting to paint colour on the underside (at last)

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I did a bit of painting yesterday and today on my car

This is me all suited and booted ready to go into my homemade paint booth at the end of my garden.

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Yes I know I look stupid but you don't want to mess about with your health and 2-pack paint is lethal stuff if you don't wear the correct gear. 2-pack can even be absorbed in through your eye balls and once you become sensitised to it that's it for life. It can give you really bad asthma which can be triggered by the slightest whif of the stuff. Many a painter has had to retire due to ill health. Proceed with extreme caution and do not mess with this stuff!!

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I've got a fresh air supply for the air fed mask about 100ft away from the nasty stuff so that I don't die in the process but I try and limit the time I'm in there to a minimum and always come out between coats to let the vapour clear.

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I put my other compressor in my shed to keep the noise down a bit - it feeds the paint gun only and has a filter and water trap in the line. Fortunately the neighbours are far enough away

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The car fits in quite nicely and there's space to move around

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There's even enough room at the front for a workbench to put all the paint and tools on

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This was the first time I'd shot any colour and I decided to start with the underneath of the car. I figured that if I made a real hash of it I could get the rest finished off professionally and if it came out okay I would brave it and paint the bits you can see. Well I didn't have the gun setup correctly the first time so the first couple of coats yesterday weren't that good and I ran out of light so I decided to call it a day. Then today I spent an hour of so shooting water through my gun and fiddling with the controls to get the fan shape I wanted. Experimenting with paint is expensive and harmful, so at least with water I was nice and safe. Once I'd got it somewhere near I then dried it all out and shot some paint in the afternoon. All was going well until the wind picked up and eventually tore the plastic sheeting off the frame but fortunately I'd just about finished. I didn't get time to take any photos of the finished underside but I will when I get chance. I'm debating whether to bother colour sanding the underside bits to get rid of the orange peel effect. I really can't decide whether it's worth it as nobody will ever see any of it anyway. What to do... if I do i shall only do the bit around the engine bay I think as I've painted the underside in stone chip which has a really uneven finish. Next job will be to paint the black stone chip on the inside of the wheel arches and stick the foam down the transmission tunnel. Then it will be time to turn her over and prime the top half before hours and hours of block sanding. Watch this space....

Paul.

P.S. I did discover one thing... at nearly 50 I'm getting too bloody old to be crawling around under cars :w00t:

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Absolutly fantastic, hats off to you for going for it. I did wonder about the plastic sheeting and the wind, can you not get some heavier duty stuff? I didn't think you could get 2K paint anymore I thought it was all water based stuff.

There are some good tutorials on you tube about painting cars. I have looked on this site before : www.easypaintyourcar.com

Chris

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Yes I had a look at that site the other day but it seems he wants to sell you a book on how to do it? I never cease to be amazed by the lack of protection some people on youtube have when painting their cars!! I spent a long while reading up on the dangers of 2-pack before I went ahead and bought it. The paint shop I buy all my stuff from still sell it quite happily although I think once it's gone it's gone. Water based needs specialist drying equipment which I don't have and 2-pack will air dry without too many problems.

Re colour sanding - yes it will be good practice but it isn't difficult... just labourious!!

Paul.

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Clucking Bell!! Thats not a garden thats the local sports field?!!

Nice job though Im sure you will do a top job!

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well done paul, i take my hat off to you, or should i say my air fed mask. there is only one way to understand the mysteries of automotive refinishing and that is to have a go yourself. ive been involved in refinishing for over 25 years and i am here to help anyone with paint or bodywork issues. any questions, queries just get in touch.

heres a pic of my current paint job. its a two tone respray on a renault race spyder, nearly finished, regards, andy

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Paul

Those pictures of you and the spray booth look like something out of an episode of Dexter

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Well, here are a few shots of yesterday's painting. It's quite difficult to see as it was just about to rain and the light was going but it at least gives a flavour...

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Funnily enough the only runs I got were inside the wheel arches which are a minor detail as they will all have a coat of black stone chip so they won't be visible. As you can also see, I didn't bother with the inside of the tunnel as it's covered in 1" thick foam.

In an ideal world I would have likes a bit more paint on the underside but at £40/litre it's debatable how far you go painting the underside of a car. It's a shame that nobody will see it!

Next job - black stone chip on the inside of the wheel arches whilst it's upsidedown. After that - stick the foam down the tunnel. Of course, now would be a good time to stick the head lining in but I'm concerned it'll be ruined by the time I finish the car so I think I'll wait and assume 'the Lotus position' at the end :D

Paul.

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Looking good Paul. I admire your need to do it all yourself rather than just chucking money at it. I, however, am chucking money at mine. Why didn't you give me more talent god!!!

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if your looking to stone chip the arches and any other sections, track down some TEROSON 3000 BLACK STONE CHIP its not the cheapest but it is the best product on the market. only problem is you will have to buy a schutz gun to apply it, but they only cost about £12. the finished job will be worth it.

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Hi Andy

Yes I do have schutz gun, I used it to spray the stone chip on the underside of the car before painting the colour. I don't know what make of black stone chip I have for the wheel arches but I'm not too fussed to be honest... it'll never rust :)

I liked your bonnet paint job. Is that at work or at home? I'm fortunate in that the early Esprits were just base colour, no clear over the top, so that saves me a lot of hassle. the only bit I'm not looking forward to is spraying the black as it's satin and I'm told you can't rub it down afterwards as if you polish it it'll be gloss!! So it'll have to be the gun finish and that'll be that I guess, good or bad!

Cheers, Paul.

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No - the body of an Esprit won't rust on you, but there is another reason to the "bodyschutz" spray: Stones thrown up at high speed from the wheels will make unfriendly contact with the inside of the wheel wells and exactely because it's fiberglass it may develop star shaped cracks on the opposite side. This is of course on the inside part of the body, but it will also be annoying to have in the boot. A thick layer of anti stone chip will prevent this, even if it looks a bit "gooey" compared with gloss paint. :-)

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I have managed without difficulty in getting hold of cellulose paint which I thought was also banned. The supplier said it was ok to use on GRP provided the correct primer had been used. I have the time to spare and propose to respray the car with aerosol cans. The worst that can go wrong is I waste a few hundred pounds.

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Sorry I thought for a moment there you said you were going to respray a car using rattle cans but I'm sure I was mistaken :)

You can still buy cellulose and 2-pack just tell them you want to paint a fridge and not a car that's all. GRP needs to be primed with an etch primer after about 1,000 hours of repairing star cracks :rant:

Paul.

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hello boys, its great to see so many of you doing some paint work, but please let me point you in the right direction....primer...grp dose not requier etch primer, this is only needed for bare steel and aluminium....never use cellulose primer or topcoat, this is 1950/60s refinishing technology, this is what can happen to cars repaired with air dry paints

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i believe lotus use ici 2k primer,colour,and lacquer at the factory so if you want to match the original finish and have a respray that will look good for years then paint it all with 2 pack products.

have a look at sparkys respray thread

paul, don't worry about the satin black areas. you can buy it to spray on or just get a good aerosol, the trick is just to apply it in several thin light coats. the renault bonnet was a job i did at my workshop with the rest of the body. the owner collected it today and it is now on its way back to france to be placed back on the chassis and prepared for this years racing events

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I masked up the whole of the underneath and sprayed some black stone chip on the wheel arches. Whilst the car was upsidedown it seemed like the appropraite time to do such a job and it's a whole lot easier than trying to spray upwards when the car has been righted. I couldn't believe how time consuming it was masking up...

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I spent quite a while masking the shapes I wanted and got them somewhere near. I imagine that in the factory they had very little time for this job and it looked as though the original stone chip was hand painted with a paint brush. I'm quite pleased with the results...

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Next job will be foam down the tunnel and then she can be turned up the right way. I may just have the cleanest underside out there now - shame nobody will ever see it!!

Paul.

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"Anyway, that's it for the underside, now to turn her over. It's been a long while since she was upright and I shall be glad to be working the right way up for a change"

You mean that's not a fiberglass boat hull you've been working on? :lol: (lookin' good!!!)

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I've now stuck the foam down the tunnel and re-fitted the bits of black ???? (I don't know what they are) on either side of the tunnel at the back...

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What do those black things do? Are they to protect the body against the engine when you install it or are they for sound deadening purposes?

Anyway, that's it for the underside, now to turn her over. It's been a long while since she was upright and I shall be glad to be working the right way up for a change :lol:

Paul.

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Well - even if (almost) nobody will ever see the underside of your Spirit when you star to use it, if they want to see how clean it is they can just log on here :)

Anyway - it looks superb and you will allways know...

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This is the sort of work you can't just pay for, it has to be you and driven by atention to detail. I congratulate you sir :thumbsup:

Are you keeping a set of accounts, or has it got too scary :shock:

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I don't really know how much I've spent but I bet it's a lot more than I think!! I would imagine that by the time I'm finished I will have spent about £6,000 to £8,000 restoring a £2,000 car. So in all about £10,000 but I'm hoping it will be worth at least what I've spent on it :thumbsup:

However, if you factored in a labour rate I can easily see how some people have spent £60,000 restoring these cars. It really is a shame (in some ways) that they're not recognised for their rarity value. I say in some ways because if they were I'd probably never have been able to afford to buy it in the first place.

Paul.

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