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If you'd like Marc, pop me the quote over and I'll have some friends go over it. I've got a lot of roofers I work with now with the drone and I can ask them if you're getting reasonable quotes or people are being a bit strong. 

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Choice 1 - leave it there and replace all the parts that fail due to lack of use Choice 2 - drive it all year and replace all the parts that fail due to plenty of use   Mine's on 74k an

Wow. great job. You tipped the room 90 deg and emptied the crap out the windows?

Being given a “months not years” prognosis for your wife  

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Will the insurance help?

 

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51 minutes ago, Bibs said:

If you'd like Marc, pop me the quote over and I'll have some friends go over it. I've got a lot of roofers I work with now with the drone and I can ask them if you're getting reasonable quotes or people are being a bit strong. 

Thanks for the offer - the people we have finally settled on are highly recommended locally (and were the only ones to do a proper survey of the roof before quoting), and SWMBO obeyed wants to go for proper slate. Oh and the price also includes all soffets, facia and guttering and a couple of other bits. The problem we have is if we delay any more we will be well into the winter (we started trying to organise this last August, almost a year ago) and the roof will definitely not survive another bad storm.

One roofer really pee'd me off when he stated they up'ed the price for people in Devon, if we lived in Cornwall it would be cheaper - and he lives locally and travels miles to get work in Cornwall. Suffice to say he didn't get the job based on the lack of intelligence of someone who would prefer to travel well over an hour each way to do a job rather than charge the same rate for a job on his doorstep.

The quotes we have received have been between £26,000.00 and about £38,000.00 but several spent the morning looking at the roof and we never heard from them again. By the way we don't live in a mansion just a bungalow!

51 minutes ago, C8RKH said:

Will the insurance help?

The problem is we really need the whole roof done rather than keep patching it. Also I am sure there will be a caveat somewhere stating the roof has to be in good repair.

To be honest the way we have been treated by the majority of builders, roofers, groundworks people (we are having quite a lot done) I really hope there is a bad recession for the building trade and they really suffer as they have acted like real sh1t$ and liars. Sounds horrible but they really must have it too good around here if they can treat potential customers this badly. Do I sound bitter! We actually seriously considered selling up at one point so we could buy somewhere with all the work already done, it got that bad.

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Understood @march. I've had lots of work done by Builders over the years. In general, General Builders are complete and utter shites. Unreliable. Stop / start approach. Quick to start, long to finish. Quality questionable. Nothing ever their fault.

Had a large wall bit, probably 10ft drop on one side, drive on the other side where the wall is about 2ft high. Wall started to bow in the middle, notice movement in the coping stone. Builder came round - oh, you received into the wall!  FFS - not a mark anywhere. Not a scratch on the wall. So god knows how he came to that conclusion - oh yes, it would deflect from his shit building.

Spent a grand on an Engineer to inspect the wall (I took lots of pictures when he was building it) that I shared with him. His findings (a grand later!) was that the wall was incorrectly built. No drainage holes and insufficient foundations and underpinnings.

Sent the report to the builder 3 months ago. Still to get his response!   Nuff said. I'm off to court as can't be arsed arguing with him....

 

So, good luck with your roof @March. And don't bother with a modern new build - you'll be rebuilding the whole house within ten years!!!

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Alcohol. Sex. Tobacco. Drugs. Chocolate.  Meh! NOTHING in this world is as addictive as an Evora +0. It's not for babies!    

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5 hours ago, march said:

 

The quotes we have received have been between £26,000.00 and about £38,000.00 but several spent the morning looking at the roof and we never heard from them again. By the way we don't live in a mansion just a bungalow

Wow - that’s some bloody roof that - I remember well the pain of fitting copper tingles when fitting this roof. First slate (well imitation) roof I’d ever done.9859297F-C2AF-49D9-B821-9E4A5A3C0B87.thumb.jpeg.e2c3eff29b3a58ac346a062b497204a0.jpeg

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That's a hell of a garage that @Barrykearley. Now I see why you bought the Evora as you needed something truly worthy to go into it...

 

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It was in need of a bit of work @C8RKH616B2704-E8B1-437B-812D-B692E76B3115.thumb.jpeg.79ff0ba5a3de4669813259f3a91b5390.jpeg

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As I have said before no local authority building inspectors left all insurance based if you see one at all. Odds on builder will go bust if he gets a sniff of a court case

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In defence of the builder - unless there’s a specification that’s been laid down - it’s gonna be nigh on impossible to win. 

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5 minutes ago, Barrykearley said:

In defence of the builder - unless there’s a specification that’s been laid down - it’s gonna be nigh on impossible to win. 

Builder designed and built it. If it is not fit for purpose then his issue not mine. He has a duty of care / professionalism.

He's also the son of the main farmer who's parents I know will go ape shit when I involve them lol - every bit of advantage will be played....  hahaha

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Yes he does have a duty of care - but that could stop at the legal limits of his skill base. The best you can probably hope for is a refund - the consequential loss of stripping and rebuilding I doubt you’ll be able to pin on him. What a bloody knightmare.

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After having built the rest of it, I started doing the garage roof myself:

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But quickly realised a) I wasn't enjoying it, b) I don't like heights and c) life's too short. Got a (general) builder in, of course they charged an arm and a leg, but very happy with the end result:

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Bit of a theme going here.   Did mine back in 05.   Once you have the scaffolding up and hire a  a bumpa to lift the tiles up top it pretty basic, not too complicated.     Loads of info on the net aboout how to do it.    With a good scaffold around you it almost feels like you are on the ground.

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Hey fellas, can’t argue that there are some real rough builders out there with very poor moral compasses, they are normally found in the local pub on a friday telling anyone that will listen how much money they have got.They also view clients as prey


Good builders seldom have to look for new work and normally work for the same group of customers on a recurring basis. I learnt a long time ago to avoid the potential customer that “knew the price of everything and the value of nothing”
 

A good rule of thumb is to research, research more and speak to previous clients, that have had out of the ordinary projects completed and are happy, also, it’s a sort of semi secret society, best way in is introduction from a friend or colleague. I might sound as mad as a hatter...... but that’s been my experience

The real measure of value is having it done properly

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Francisco Franco said:

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Spot on and thats why most of the time I do it myself.   I have the time and inclination to do the job right.      The infomation is out there as are most of the tools.  I quite enjoy getting stuck into a new type of job and learnng a new skill.    Most of it is like doing a rebuild on an old car, break it into smaller jobs and work your way through.

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Funnily enough I'm on the cusp of setting up a building company with a friend to help him out of a tricky work situation. 

In my very limited experience, builders may be good (as my pal is, his work ethic is exceptional and he's a very talented chippy/general builder) but their knowledge of business/customer service is limited. I think there's most certainly lots of gaps in the market for a company which can offer both. 

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Most general builders have no forward planning, they operate day to day

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You do realise you have just described most people these days @pete

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10 hours ago, Barrykearley said:

Yes he does have a duty of care - but that could stop at the legal limits of his skill base. The best you can probably hope for is a refund - the consequential loss of stripping and rebuilding I doubt you’ll be able to pin on him. What a bloody knightmare.

The ironic thing is I bought a cement mixer about 18 years ago and built a double skinned brick retaining wall (he used blocks) about 8 foot high by 20 foot wide and it's still standing now. No issues. Fcuking cowboys lol....

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10 hours ago, Bibs said:

Funnily enough I'm on the cusp of setting up a building company with a friend to help him out of a tricky work situation. 

In my very limited experience, builders may be good (as my pal is, his work ethic is exceptional and he's a very talented chippy/general builder) but their knowledge of business/customer service is limited. I think there's most certainly lots of gaps in the market for a company which can offer both. 

Think you are spot on here @Bibs. Having had a lot of work done on the house, we've often said that there is a gap in the market for a highly trusted national turnkey service where the customer service is managed through a group with experience.

 

Oddly, these aren't about. I don't understand how there is still not a national company doing this.

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Because as you scale a business - you simply cannot keep the personal involved touch - nor keep consistent quality. Just look at the shambolic new house builders we have.

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Or appoint a good Marketing Director to uphold the company strategy of quality work with processes transparent to the customer, whose job it would be to keep the financial controller in line. 

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