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After having a bit of a wobbly about the Elite I have decided that I might as well stick with it. After all, it does not cost anything for it to sit in the garage, and then I can do a little bit of work here and there whenever I have a chance. I also gave it a bit of clean a couple of weeks back and never posted up the pictures, so here they are:

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Now that I have some renewed enthusiasm for work on the lotus I am having another stab at my nemesis: the electrics. On my current hit list is the fan fail warning light. The first thing that I did was remove the fan motors, and sure enough one of them was not working. I stripped it down and cleaned out all the rusty junk, put it back together and now it runs when put directly on a battery. Checked all the fuses and then shorted the thermostat connections and the fans both came on with the ignition in the run position but the engine turned off. However, the fan fail warning light was still illuminated. Is this because the engine was not running? There is no fuel in it at the moment so I cannot run it. Could somebody with a working car comment on it?

I have attached a copy of the wiring diagram for the 2.2 elite, with details of the fan wiring.

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On this one I have attempted to show the physical wiring of the fain fail warning control. I am wondering if maybe my fan fail warning control has failed? The way it works is that the positive power supply running to the fans is coiled around a reed switch, and I suppose that when current is runnig to the fans (i.e. when they are actually running) this either opens or closes the switch. Could somebody with one that they know works check whether is is normally open or closed across the pin with the yellow/black wire and the pin at a different angle?

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I can't really get my head around how the circuit works, but I guess something like this:

Thermostat closes circuit when car reaches temperature, which energises the relay coil. This switches the fan relay to bridge pins 4&3 which sends then permanent live to the fans which runs them. The fan fail warning light comes on when this cicuit is closed but no current is passing to the fans.

So what I don't get is how can the fan fail warning light come on when the car is not even up to temperature?

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Glad you made a decision to keep it Henry and looking good. No point asking me about the electrics though !

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Hey great looking car and would love to buy either an Elite or an Eclat. I have had to try my hardest not to buy one at least until my Esprit project is done.

Any way point I was going to make was for any of us doing restos, we all need to take stock and look at the work we have done. Sometimes it is worth just giving the car a clean or something or look at pics of the project when you first started. This forum is great for reminding us these cars are really cool and we are not alone in spirit. So chin up and keep the work up!

Buddsy

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I think the fan fail light works like the ignition light. It has ignition volts on one side and, when the fans are powered, ignition volts to the other side. If the relay does not work, the light has a lower voltage on the fan side and the light comes on. Diodes stop the light coming on when the relay is operated by the A/C switch. It prevents the current backfeeding through the A/C switch to illuminate the warning light. When I connected a manual switch to operate my fans, turning on the switch would turn on the fans and the light. This was because the diode to the A/C switch had been removed.

I see from the wiring diagram that the light is connected to the ignition feed so the other end must be getting connected to an earth, possibly through a resistance, somehow. I would try disconnected the fan fail module to see if that puts it out. Next would be to remove the fan relay to see if you can isolate where the fault it.


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Sounds like the headlight problem might well be what I`m having on the 2.2, with one light coming on and up and the other on but totally refusing to raise, even with the knob-twirling.

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Really ? Do you know how long it is likely to be there for ? Would love to pop in and see it.

Guy

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Thanks Mark, although I am slightly expecting it to fail this time, so then the guys will have a list of what needs doing.

Guy, you are more than welcome to go and have a look. It will definitely be there until 14th as that is the earliest I can collect it, but depending on how long my funds hold out, maybe a bit longer!

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Great - thanks - I will try and phone Max and see if I can take a peep next Saturday

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Went to have a look yesterday. Max at Lakeside said it was in very good mechanical condition and they have done the full cambelt service and brakes I think. Great to see a car I last saw in 1984!

white with red leather is just SO cool

the only downside of the trip was it persuaded me that mine must get booked in there for its own C service and to get the brakes looked at. Have to find some money from somewhere...

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Mechanically I think all it really needed was a quick carb rebuild to get some of the gunge out, otherwise Max said he has been pleasantly surprised.

It will definitely look a bit tidier with some new trim, a bit more colour back in the leather and some new seals - so hopefully not too much left for them to do. I haven't spoken to them for a little while - did they give an indication of how much more there is to do?

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From the pics the leather could do with a really long term feed before trying to bring the colour out with sprays etc


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Some of mine is like cardboard especially where exposed to the sun, like the shoulder bolster. Tried Gliptone Liquid Leather which many people rave about and not impressed. My next port of call will be Leathercare Renovations (leathercaredirect.com) who sounded friendly and knowledgeable. They are ex-Connolly and sell, as well as hide cream, a concentrated rejuvenating oil which sounded just the ticket. Have yet to try it out though will be purchasing soon, as the leather needs to be fully fed otherwise the leather paints and recolourants don't adhere properly


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Conolloy hide cream, get it from a tack shop, it will soften and feed the leather.


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Picked up some Gliptone Liquid Leather and some Conolloy hide cream, so when I get the Elite back I will test them both out to see which is better.

​More importantly - the Elite is now fully taxed, MOT'd and Insured. Hopefully I can pick it up on the 30th from Lakeside Engineering. It would have been nice to pick it up this Saturday, but the ignition barrel needs replacing so that will keep it in a little longer.

So happy that another Elite is now back on the road!

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I use the Connelly Hide Food. Its not a quick fix, wow what a difference product that we all would want but I have tried all sorts of others and this is the best so far for improvement. Important to make sure whatever you use doesn't have silicon in it as this looks good straight away but blocks the poores in the leather and allows it to dry out underneath and eventually cracking. Thats what I am told anyway.

Trevor.


I'll get around to it at some point.

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I've tried Connelly Hide food but it seemed to remove colour from the leather - as if it contained white spirit.

How long have you guys left it on? I've heard talk of leaving it on overnight whereas I've only ever applied it and then swiped off with a clean cloth.

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I will experiment with the leather cream and see what happens!

Not quite picture of how it looks now, but this is how I first found it:

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And this is bringing it to its new home for the first time:

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Barrie,

I agree it does seem to contain white spirit as it's cleaner but liked that. I've left it for a while but usually apply and buff together.

Trevor.


I'll get around to it at some point.

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