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Paul, where can I get one of these tins? :animier:


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Thank you Paul, :unworthy:

You have exemplified the main point I was making.

"Lotus have just revealed plans for a new red clutch hose and renault 5 door handles...FANTASTIC - heres my deposit!" :wallbash:


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That's What All Teachers Say.

There's no element of that in this thread, just genuine enthusiasts who like cars, and Lotus, impressed with a 220mph+ sub 2.5 second 0-60 car. If you think this is rubbish, you are the ones who need their heads checking but constant berating of people who don't share your opinions is unfair. Those who like the Exos aren't just involving themselves in this thread to insult those who don't, I'm not sure why you feel it necessary to do so, it doesn't show any of you in a favourable light. If someone likes something that someone else does that doesn't make them a BMW driving Swindonite with a BBQ and an iPhone, it just means they like something. To quote popular parlance, "I've tried to see things from your point of view but I can't stick my head up your arsehole too", that's how your coming across in my opinion.


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A lot of negative comments on this thread seem to stem from not understanding what the Exos is about.

It's not a Caparo rival. (you may as well compare a flick book with a 3D HD 50" television)

There is a market for it. (unconfirmed rumours suggest most slots were sold before the project was finalised)

It will bring in a chunk of cash and column inches to Hethel.

There are plenty of designers, engineers and funds available to work on the new Esprit and other models.

What's not to like?

Constant whining and complaining about what Lotus is planning simply because it doesn't fit in with your specific desires becomes very dull, almost to SELOC levels of tedium. I acknowledge the irony of the possibilty of gushing about the marque becoming just as boring, but I make no apologies for being enthusiastic. I'll quite happily critque output from the factory gate. (You'll notice how there isn't an Evora on my driveway.) If Bahar stuffs up my favourite marque then it'll be horse's head time, but at the moment I'm very excited about Lotus's future.

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I don't see this as an all or nothing issue. I have loved Lotus since age 11 when I fell in love with the Elan, a car I still love today.

Without wishing to offend anyone, I was not initially a fan of the 2nd series Elite, I thought the Mazda MX5 was more exciting than the 2nd series Elan, and was unmoved by the 2nd series Europa.

The Esprit is a great car, I love it and see the Elise as the modern day Elan. The Evora is "OK", but I'm not passionate.

I guess by saying "I don't get it" regarding the 125, I am placing myself on the negative side, but I'm allowed to question, I've never been involved in Automotive marketing, so there are obviously people who know far more than I do who see advantages for Lotus in the 125, I have to say they are not obvious to me.

On the technical side Lotus have produced some bad cars, the Lotus 40 was described as a Lotus 30 with 10 more mistakes added.

My concern is that the Evora cup is not bursting at the seems, and if this 125 doesn't sell to capacity and have regular competition outings someone back at Hethel is going to look second rate, and drag the image down with him.

I like the 211 concept, a good club day car appealing to Lotus's core market, I can't see where the 125 sits, I fear the risk may outweigh the reward.

Here's the thing, the lady who looks after me at my bank tells me her son is massively impressed that a client of hers has an Esprit, like the one on his Playstation!

If the 125 can do that I'm sold.


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The element that is very firmly coming across is the fact that those who disagree with or have an opinion that isn't a sheep like following of all things Lotus are somehow wrong to have such a differing opinion and therefore questioned/accused as a result...

Perhaps it might be better to have pinned to threads of this nature that the thread is only open to those who are willing to add contributions that everyone wants to hear rather than what people want to say?


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In your opinion.

We know what you think of the car, let other people speak without your nags. People don't want to post now knowing that they may be berated for liking the car, that's not what forums (a place to 'freely' express opinion) are about.


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mums the word


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My thruppennorth...looks like possibly the most advanced bit of automotive kit ever offered for sale to the "general" public...or at least, those in funds! Rather beyond my finances and abilities these days...and you can't run it on the road, either. I do feel that it's just the sort of thing that Lotus ought to be doing. Draws a bold line between Lotus and everyone else, emphatically gets away from the "plastic kit car" era, stunning! All I hope is that they run like clockwork and don't turn out to be full of problems and failures like the Caparo. The idea of making what is a "nearly F1" car, but doesn't need a platoon of dedicated support staff, has to be a niche market...but what a niche!!


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Ladeeze an' Genelmunn, welcome to the inaugural running of The Austin T125 Exos Special Grand Prix event! In row one we have William Gates of Microsoft fame in pole position. Mr. Gates will be using a backup car, as he failed to negotiate turn 7 in yesterday's qualifying run. However, having bought up five T125's in anticipation of just such a setback, his depth of field (if not his depth of vision) has ensured him a spot on the grid. In somewhat of a rules change from historical precedent, Mr. Gates elected to purchase, outright, today's pole position.

Also in the first row today, in the number two position, is our very own Red McCombs, whose deep pockets were chiefly responsible for the successful construction of America's newest Grand Prix circuit. Red was awarded his spot on the grid by event promoter Tavo Hellmund, in appreciation for his assistance.

In row two of today's race are part time Austin resident John Paul DeJoria of Paul Mitchell hair products fame, and Danika Patrick wanabe Sandra Bullock, local homegirl and currently Hollywood's most well paid actress.

Row three on the grid is filled by MIchael Dell, who also purchased five T125's in a successful "fleet rate" transaction, but being in the middle of settling with the Feds over some silly computer issues, elected to stay out of a bidding war with Bill for pole position. Next to Mr. Dell, in the number six position, is none other than yet another Austin homeboy, director Robert Rodriguez, who has craftily installed a cinema quality camera on his ride, hoping to incorporate the results into a new movie sometime in the future.

In the number seven slot, and making his racing debut, is frequent Austin visitor Quentin Tarrantino, also with camera on board, and hoping to catch the carnage for his future film (starring Mr. Gates according to tinseltown rumors) "Kill Bill III."

The number eight position will go vacant in today's race, as no one could be found willing to place themselves in such close proximity to Mr. Tarrantino, whose reputation for general mayhem doth precede him.

The remaining slots on the grid are filled by various gentlemen of means, who, due to security issues and pending tax hikes, wished to remain anonymous. However, bringing up the back of the field, in the number 17 position, and looking for his fifteen minutes of fame, is a surprise entrant who has travelled all the way from Lagos, Nigeria, for today's event, a Mr. Nigel "Zoom Zoom" Yoruba Del la Kande. Apparently operating on a shoestring budget, Mr. Del la Kande's acquistion of his T125 is currently under investigation by Interpol. Stay tuned.

This completes our prerace wrapup. We now break for numerous commercial announcements intended to help pay for today's extravaganza, and further line the coffers of various engines of commerce.


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Do you have attendance figures yet, or TV broadcast statistics?


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IMHO the super rich will not be able to just get in this & use it, it will have some serious lateral g forces if driven even at 50%

Three problems IMHO

There are plenty of historic or pay race series (F2 @ £275K a year)

It will not work for anyone with less than 50% take up - ie not enough for a grid

Lotus involvement seems to be tenuous (badge?)

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Whilst I am quite excited at the prospect of looking at a car I can never own, or drive, because I am a car enthusiast, I have to say that as an Automotive professional, this is not the way to keep the company on a sound footing....Yes it may cause some short term stir, but it does smack, to me, of "lets get our name on the top of the Top Gear leaderboard and sod the cost".

Why spend multi millions on developing this limited market car whilst getting part of the money from cancelling all Evora marketing and promotion, especially in the US? It doesn't make sense!!! On top of that, graham, like the Veyron, they don't expect to bring a chunk of cash in...infact the development and build costs for this project will outweigh it possible sales cost...in other words a loss....unless you cut corners...in which case it's going to set fire to Hammond and Jezza and fall apart, then you won't sell any anyway.

I applaud the company for it's innovation and fully intend to have an Evora SC as soon as I can afford it, however I cannot blindly clap my hands when I see a plainly rediculous offer that could cause the reduction or death of an existing popular model to get the relevant funding!

Great name though.


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Whilst I am quite excited at the prospect of looking at a car I can never own, or drive, because I am a car enthusiast, I have to say that as an Automotive professional, this is not the way to keep the company on a sound footing....Yes it may cause some short term stir, but it does smack, to me, of "lets get our name on the top of the Top Gear leaderboard and sod the cost".

Why spend multi millions on developing this limited market car whilst getting part of the money from cancelling all Evora marketing and promotion, especially in the US? It doesn't make sense!!! On top of that, graham, like the Veyron, they don't expect to bring a chunk of cash in...infact the development and build costs for this project will outweigh it possible sales cost...in other words a loss....unless you cut corners...in which case it's going to set fire to Hammond and Jezza and fall apart, then you won't sell any anyway.

I applaud the company for it's innovation and fully intend to have an Evora SC as soon as I can afford it, however I cannot blindly clap my hands when I see a plainly rediculous offer that could cause the reduction or death of an existing popular model to get the relevant funding!

Great name though.

finally a voice of reason.

However, they won't qualify at all for the TG scoreboard :no

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Where's the Radical on that board ?


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Lotus has not took funds out of the Evora variants, if they had we wouldn't have the Evora GT4 & Endurance in developement stage with Johnny Mowlem as lotus official test driver. Lotus has changed thats for sure, but they haven't forgot about the product lines they have.

The Exos is a halo car nothing more, nothing less. It will make sense to some and others won't like it because it doesn't seem the right thing for Lotus to be doing. Dany Bahar has a vision that Lotus must use it's motorsport heritage to showcase the company, hence the Exos. The idea is to get the attention of the public, even if it divides opinion. From what is being said the Exos and the Evora GT4/Endurance are making a impact with the public. Come Paris in September when Lotus unveil it's future plans, people will already have knoweldge of the brand from the motorsport product drive. The Exos is doing the job of pulling in the people who would't look at the Lotus brand. So the more people will be looking into what Lotus will be offering in the road cars part of the company. It all boils down to gaining brand awarness!

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Why spend multi millions on developing this limited market car whilst getting part of the money from cancelling all Evora marketing and promotion, especially in the US?

Lotus has not took funds out of the Evora variants, if they had we wouldn't have the Evora GT4 & Endurance in developement stage with Johnny Mowlem as lotus official test driver.

spot the difference.

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In my very personal opinion it is an interesting project to get the Lotus brand back into the rich elite minds, although in the eyes of true enthusiasts it might not be such a fantastic move.

The Veyron is the result of a concerted effort of hundreds of engineers, several of the engineering challenges required the design of parts never before used in a road going car, and regardless of anybody's opinion on it's appearance it is nonetheless nothing short of an engineering masterpiece, considering that it is a 100% road legal car.

VW has enough money and engineering resources (even though it had to use external help too) to pull off such a car, and it can afford to lose several millions a piece, the Veyron is a clear public statement of what the VW group can do.

I do not know if the Exos is based on a chassis made externally, but if that is the case then the Exos to me feels like the kind of approach Lotus took on Indycar, branding another car with its Logo, which in the case of a an engineering company trying to obtain credibility and prestige is not much more than an embarassment; could you imagine McLaren doing something similar? I don't think so.

I know it already happened sometimes in the past (e.g. Ford GT40/Lola), but I don't think it is quite the same here...

I really hope this is 100% in-house design, that they sell all 25 like hotcakes and that they don't fall into the oblivion of the already too many unknown series...

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Results of today's Austin T125 Exos Special Grand Prix race are in. In a surprise finish, Mr. Del la Kande of Nigeria managed to blow away the competition by completing the race without a single pit stop, and was last seen departing the circuit at a high rate of speed, shedding massive chunks of "primes" in all directions, as Interpol agents followed in hot pursuit. Ms. Bullock pitted only once, but lost considerable time while her manicurist attended to her nails during the interlude, and managed only to finish in 12th place. Mr. Tarantino could not understand why he was blackflagged after taking out three pit crews when he was unable to find the pit lane speed limiter button on his wheel. Fellow director Rodriguez, in a sympathy gesture, elected to make a statement by mowing down his own fuelers, and the resultant fireball closed pit lane for several minutes until brought under control. Though not blackflagged, he was issued a standard "Mickey Shoo" 10 spot grid penalty for next week's race in Bora Bora (on the local ring road). John Paul Dejoria withdrew from the race after only one lap, complaining of a bad case of "helmet hair." Mr. Gates and Mr. Dell, after discovering that both their communications radios had been inadvertently set to the same frequency by the factory, found themselves engaged in a spirited exchange on the merits of quad core chips and nitrogen cooling systems---the discussion's distraction from driving duties causing a combined shunt on lap 11. Mr. McCombs finished the race, doddering along (at age 82) at sufficient speed to place 13th, behind Ms. Bullock, but happy to have been a participant, and looking forward with great expectations to "the real deal" official F1 race later in the season. The remaining members of the field, citing privacy laws and brandishing numerous legal documents threatening the press with libel lawsuites, made their way anonymously to their wifi enabled executive motor coaches to check on their portfolios.


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I don't think (but happy to be wrong) Lotus did the tub themselves - I don't believe they have the CF facilities in house to build such a thing so it would be in partnership with a supplier. This makes sense though - Lotus are not as I understand it a CF specialist so why try to be?

Wouldn't surprise me if it is a modified version of the current F1 chassis from the same supplier.

As for degrading the engineering... thats just crazy - thats like saying using somebody elses engine in a Lotus degrades the engineering... Even Mclaren realised that with the F1 and that cost way more than this car (in real terms - the price in 1993 was about £640k which today is equiv to £920k).

I doubt they turn up complete and unpainted with Lotus just adding some spit and polish.

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spot the difference.

Just to confirm that Lotus are marketing the Evora in the good old U S of A!

Spot the blue Evora on the right in the background, plus the Exos is on the left pulling in the crowd to the Lotus display.

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How many rounds will there be and how many cars ?


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