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if the Bosch 13030 or lets call it 'nipple tip' from now one (funny word..) is an four wire sensor (so with heater) - ..and if it is the same as on my picture it should also be listed for the Lada 110 models (russian car, imported into some Europe/Arabian/Eurasian markets..) .and it should also be for a range of other similar cars, and needs to have a cross reference number to the other number (the small bosch number that you can see under my picture there on page one)

for example these versions of 13030 seem to be incorret -as there are only three pins !?!

http://www.ebay.com/...ensor-/78973085

..and as a note -the 'Bosch universal' ..that was meant to resolder it in DIY on an existing harnes/plug is listed to replace a specific range of O2sensors -so it should at least have the right 'heater *Watt* number' at all ?

The Lada type http://www.mister-au...58!006!537.html (this is the cheapest I can find within given time there in the net..) is fitted on my car and replaced an rotten one, but only there on the RH rear now for years ..it gives of corse a clear signal fitted on any position of the V8, but as my is only a Euro2 certified car the rear probes are just "spares" in that case ;)

..more reference numbers are there, for the Bosch part I use: http://www.teilesuche24.de/bosch/lambdasonde-258006537 ..or there: NGK-version, maybe more known in US markets ? http://www.teilesuche24.de/ngk/lambdasonde-5653?c=100048

If someone wants to use this sensor -the cap can be machined slightly with some sort of *Dremel*/mini grinder/cutter (done on my) to have a slot face that more fits the original flow ..but be carefull not to cut into the actual probe element (should be clear why ..!)

As the soure *sj-sportscars* was given: ..if it is still 40GBP and the number does match to one ore more of the numbers in my prior topic on O2 sensor references ..it is a, top price, even if post service (does this cost so much from UK to US??) is added ..and import tax -what does the actual exchange rate say ..looks good, does it

V8 & fourpot is named to use (or can use) the same O2 sensors ..this was also one of the hints I've used on my research there in the past ..so if you get a *plug & play* reference for the V8 it should be good for the 4 cylinder to, and vice versa

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I don't want to buy the "non-Lotus" model from SJS. The "Lotus-model" (i.e. the Delphi ES10057) comes more expensive than a Bosch which I can get within a couple of days from local suppliers, due to extra postage costs. I just find it a bit daft to have to order from the UK when I can potentially order from a local outlet.

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so the *Bosch*-item for around 74Euros also suitable for Lada110/111 should be good enough for you ..and it is available al around Europe as you can see from the online-shop (see link above)

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Just to follow up. The BOSCH 13030 in my car is working great.

I just installed a 2nd Wideband O2 sensor with a dash gauge from PLX Devices (SM-AFR DM6 combo) http://www.plxdevices.com/product_info.php?id=WDBDSMAFR_DM6

My Air:Fuel ratio is idling and cruising at 14.6 (perfect)

under boost I am seeing 10.6, 11.2, and 12.2. depending on gear (which is rich and safe)

and coasting I see "LEAN" which is due to the fuel injectors shutting off (totally normal)

So to be clear, My Esprit SE's ECU is using the BOSCH 13030 narrow band O2 sensor in the stock location to calculate fuel, and I am using the PLX wideband sensor to display the fuel ratio on the dash.

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I also have BOSCH E5ZE 370cc/mi LOW impedance primary injectors (stock size)

and 200cc/min BOSCH D5B HIGH impedance secondary injectors (10cc/min larger than stock)

I'm using a BOSCH fuel pump #69218, and I have removed the original pulsation damper and replaced it with a piece of fuel rated hose. And I have the the stock pressure regulator.

I'm running the #3 S4s Stumble reduced chip.

The rest of the engine is stock, but recently rebuilt.

Well, I have an electric intercooler pump (Jabsco Centripuppy)

The engine is running great!

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..so I found something different from the one that I use in the moment -and just for fun will give it a try on a test run next week. As I hope my car is back on track and ready for TÜV approval with a lot of other work end of April anyway

http://www.imagenetz.de/f08e08d45/BILD2713.JPG.html 

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this one is Bosch-parts cataog 0 258 005 133  -the Bosch LamdaSensor Type 5133

 

 

 

 - as cost comparision R&B for example claims that the Lotus OEM sensor ( B910E6930F od. A918E0322F) costs around 185€ from LotusCars   ..and offers an cheaper alternative one for 132,50€    [24.04.2014  -  http://www.ramspott-brandt.de/shop/pictures/items_img_big_324.jpg] RB-sensor.jpghttp://www.imagenetz.de/fdd7b8093/RB-sensor.jpg.html

 

 

(ebay offer

291110584687

 http://www.ebay.de/itm/291110584687?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.de%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D291110584687%26_rdc%3D1 )

this 0 258 005 133 one there in the EBAY link is  *Made in USA* from Bosch, for 'Lada Samara 1.3L & Niva 1.7L  engine '   .. offered for EUR 42,95 in the moment, and on regular base offered for 116,51€ from the same Ebay-shop

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as promised, some VE *log-files   ..to verify that the mentioned cheaper O2-sensors can give a signal and do not produce a fault-code (so far unknown heater W -numbers for this type of Bosch sensor..)

 

We can say my VE sample-rates (fps setings) are not perfect  -but still good enough, I hope

 

(village)

http://www.imagenetz.de/f3f292d83/SCAN3.txt.html

http://www.imagenetz.de/f1d887653/SCAN3.log.html

http://www.imagenetz.de/f2171ef0e/SCAN3.DAT.html

 

(motorway)

http://www.imagenetz.de/fe5cd82ad/SCAN4.txt.html

http://www.imagenetz.de/f8b5db02e/SCAN4.log.html

http://www.imagenetz.de/f9f40f355/SCAN4.DAT.html

 

technical base on those test runs:

 

stock injector layout, E85 fuel, T28/25 Hybrid turbos, no chargecoolers, now with a more defensive boost setup [max. of around 0.75bar MAP reference, instead of stronger 0.9 bar in previous years ..based on 100% TP readout under acceleration]

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Hi all,

I am trying to locate an O2 sensor like the 13030 but with a longer wire because mine has sports cats. The length I need is 450mm or 18". The 13030 I think only measures 13.8" when I check on Rockauto.com

Any help will be much appreciated.

 

David Walters

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3 hours ago, superdavelotus said:

Hi all,

I am trying to locate an O2 sensor like the 13030 but with a longer wire because mine has sports cats. The length I need is 450mm or 18". The 13030 I think only measures 13.8" when I check on Rockauto.com

Any help will be much appreciated.

 

David Walters

The Bosch 13030 is definitely only barely able to reach the stock location on the 4cyl Esprit, so I'd say the 13" is correct.

The Denso 234-4062 might be another option, but the length is the same.

You can add length to the car's electrical harness easier than you can to the O2 sensor wires.  O2 sensor wires should only be crimped, not soldered.

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Hi Travis,

I think it's my harness that's damage and want to eliminate this by replacing the rear O2 sensors that were working perfectly before car going into garage. Unfortunately the 13030 O2 sensor won't reach my rear sensor due to them being sports cats. I have one that's nearly 18" but can't get another.

 

David

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SuperDave-Where did you get your O2 sensor from in the end please?

I need to disconnect mine and see if theres a bad connection, or if its duff I'll need another, as it seems it is not as easy as it should be to locate one!

thanks

Stu

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Hi Stu,

I needed extra long lead so I've bought 4 from the States. I have a brand new Bosch one which I bought from PNM only last week which I haven't used. I need at least two matching so you are more than welcome to buy this one from me? Drop me a PM and I'll send you details.

Alternatively use the Bosch 13030 part number and you should be OK.

 

David

 

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Thanks Alan, BUT....

page one of this thread says I need a 12 watt heater, and the Redline one:

Heater Resistance (ohms)=4.0 Insulated Earth=0 Material Type=Zirconia Number of Leads=4 Thread Specification=M18 x 1.5
 
Has a 4 ohm heater resistance, which I calculate to be a 36 watt heater.
 
 
I just want the right one (although I must check my connections first) but surely someone has found the right one in the UK before? All the threads on it seem to be contradictory.....even this one...

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Well I trust Gunter on these things and he is quite insistent about the Lada connection. So go for the Bosch 0 258 005 133?

Replacement oxygen sensors for bosch 0 258 005 133:

45 minutes ago, LotuStuart said:

Thanks Alan, BUT....

page one of this thread says I need a 12 watt heater, and the Redline one:

Heater Resistance (ohms)=4.0 Insulated Earth=0 Material Type=Zirconia Number of Leads=4 Thread Specification=M18 x 1.5
 
Has a 4 ohm heater resistance, which I calculate to be a 36 watt heater.
 
I just want the right one (although I must check my connections first) but surely someone has found the right one in the UK before? All the threads on it seem to be contradictory.....even this one...

PS that web page lists the V8?

Lotus GT1 3.5 1996- O2 oxygen lambda Sensor Universal

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From SuperDaveLotus

"  I have a brand new Bosch one which I bought from PNM only last week "

I bought and fitted this, and it works perfectly-no codes now-so PNM sell what you need if you need an O2 sensor.

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aaaand here we are again!

car just failed MOT on emissions, scan shows bad o2 sensor (p0134). I reset it but my scan now shows status is not "emissions check ready", and the MOT guys helpfully ran a check on the exhaust-and emissions are still way too high (5% co on LH bank, 1.1% on RH bank (where duff sensor is)).

I've just bought two Bosch sensors off ebay ref 0258005133 and 0258986505, so will keep you informed of how it goes-and I'll try running the car up a hill in 5th at 35mph to try and "set" the emissions check (which I know is needed for the US emissions check, but I wonder if because its not ready, either the sensor is still broken, or the sensor wont work properly until the emissions check status IS ready!

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Having driven 30 odd miles at the weekend, including at 35mph in 5th for 5 minutes, I've still not managed to set the O2 sensor, so it looks like it may be broken and therefore unsettable.

New ones arrive for fitting this weekend, and hopefully an MOT to follow. £40 for a fail sheet-emissions and repeater light failed-duly replaced the light with new lenses already-and also found our why the screen washer had stooped working-the pipe had been clamped in the washer bottle holder bracket at the last service. It is now unclamped and working fine.

Door lock motor also ordered from Lithuania. will be fitted next clear day. Taking the interior door panel off was easy, but will need to remove the lock mech as well. Will mark fitment before removal and hope that is enough to refit accurately. Will try to fix the old motor after removal, but for £25 I wanted to just remove and refit at the same time, not remove, mess around, find its unfixable and then refit pending receipt of a replacement...

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