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Hello,

I have a special question. Maybe someone of you know the answer.

The switch for the side lamp of my 1991 Esprit SE must be change. Does anybody know if the head lamp switch is the same as the side lamp switch. From the outside both look equal. But there are two little different numbers engraved (3174 5M and 3172 7B). Are these only production numbers or typ numbers.

Thanks

Stephan

www.lotus-esprit-se.de

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Via the electrical schematics they are the same. The parking light switch is no longer available and I had to have a headlight switch sent over from the UK to replace my parking light switch as suggested by Stratton Mptors. I replaced both and already the headlight switch has failed after 600 miles of use.

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Christopher,

Thank you for your reply. This helps.

I bought 2 headlight switches because I didn't found the parking light switch. Since weeks I have problems with a blown fuse of the right parking light. Not every time when I use one of the 2 switches. But more and more in the past. You can not say when the next time the fuse will blow. Sometimes it happens after the light is on for minutes, next time directly after switch on, then nothing happens and it works for weeks. 2 years ago I had the same problem. I found out that the parking light switch was damaged. When I opened the body I saw that some of the white plastic parts inside were brown. Apparently the switch had become too warm. Normaly I drive with parking lights on. Maybe this is the reason for the overheating ...

Stephan

www.lotus-esprit-se.de

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Stephan,

I too found that happening to my switches. It was more of a design flaw than anything. I have yet to have any issues with a fuse blowing. Rather I just get no lights. I have found that I need to modify the switch to beef up the contacts. They are too weak which leads to the browning as things heat up in the switch whilst the lights are on. Normally when I am driving it is for hours at a time. Rather disappointing to have the new switch burn out so quickly. I was expecting the standard 5-6K miles.

If I am to understand correctly the US Federal cars were slightly wired different in their operation of lighting. Though mine seem to work like the ones in the UK models.

When I return home in a few weeks I will revisit this thread with a few pictures of the dismantled switch and where and how I resolved the issue.

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"When I return home in a few weeks I will revisit this thread with a few pictures of the dismantled switch and where and how I resolved the issue."

Christopher,

This would be marvelous. Thank you.

Stephan

www.lotus-esprit-se.de

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Hi Guys.

 

does anybody know from witch car this switch came off? (the X-part)

Thanks allready i am looking for a switch,

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Had mine in the local garage to use the ramps last week.

Mate was certain the switches were all the same as in the Austin metro - worth a look

Only here once

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Yup - Leyland stuff from the '80s - Metro/Maestro/Montego etc.

British Fart to Florida, Nude to New York, Dunce to Denmark, Numpty to Newfoundland.  And Shitfaced Silly Sod to Sweden.

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yep leyland stuff good luck trying to find it . iam trying to find a drivers side window swith for my x180 189 turbo. supposed to be leyland austin etc . cant find one in the uk .. they must rot like leyland cars did .

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yep leyland stuff good luck trying to find it . iam trying to find a drivers side window swith for my x180 189 turbo. supposed to be leyland austin etc . cant find one in the uk .. they must rot like leyland cars did .

 

It's worth opening the window switches up if there's a problem as they are effectively mechanical so it's possible to 'tinker' with them a bit.

 

My electric fuel flap release switch (the same as the window lift switch) stopped working on one side and I was able to fix it by 'adjusting' (bending) one of the spring loaded connectors slightly for a better contact.

Not worth starting anything now...🍺

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Gents

I've been looking into the dash switches for '87 on Esprit/Esprit Turbos/S4 etc. - up to '97 - as the fact my V8 has a US symbol for the headlight switch (the "lightbulb") - rather then the European one ("the dipped headlamp") - annoys me. I guess I'm just that sort of guy :P It has led me onto "doing my thing" and researching the part.

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I've had a good dig around and found a couple of threads that suggest cross references. But they are wrong. Definitely. The one above says that they are used in the Metro/Montego/Maestro range but that is not right. Austin switches:

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These are nothing like the Esprit switches, from earlier in this thread:

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Esprit switch faces are rectangular and have male spades. Austin switches are square faced and have bullet connectors.

I found a reference to Peugeot 504/505 switches (this seemed feasible as Peugeot items were used in facelift 1998 on models):

But trawling Google images for dashboards they don't look correct either.

I've spent hours on this trying US, European and overseas cars to find a source. No luck at all.

Can anybody assist? I'm all ready to rip my binnacle off and look for switch markings as I'm getting very frustrated!

 

I tempted fate...now my Esprit V8 IS in bits...(sob)

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Do you have a fog switch? Maybe this is interchangeable? How often do you use the fog switch?

Looking at the S4 wiring diagrams, the sidelight and the headlight switch look the same electrically (internally and pin-out). Unfortunately, I can't find a diagram for the fog light.

Are the caps removable?

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Thanks Ian.

Yes, the caps are removable and interchangeable.

It's the bigger question around what they are off that's bugging me, as they do burn out and I would like to know where to source spares.

I tempted fate...now my Esprit V8 IS in bits...(sob)

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When did these switches first appear in the Esprit? Might just help in narrowing the search time-wise. Also, despite me thinking like they look suspiciously like Lucas bits, could they be GM?

Margate Exotics.

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Esprit Turbo time under GM Ian. I have Google Imaged nearly every US and UK dashboard and switch, along with eBay worldwide and can't find anything. Tried all the usual French, German and Italian suspects as well. Woke up this morning with a start thinking they might be Rover SD1 but no.

Has anybody got one out of a car or on a shelf they could have a look at for markings or idents for me to save me taking mine apart? 

I tempted fate...now my Esprit V8 IS in bits...(sob)

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SJ sells a replacement switch you just have to remove the legend from your old switch and refit to the new one as the old legend switches are not available anymore, used in lots of old cars here's a link to an ebay add for the heated rear window switch marked for a metro http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Heated-Rear-Window-Switch-for-Austin-METRO-Classic-Car-Part-219911-/181819213949 . I did a repair to my legend because it was worn link to that here 

 

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28 minutes ago, jimblob said:

SJ sells a replacement switch you just have to remove the legend from your old switch and refit to the new one as the old legend switches are not available anymore, used in lots of old cars here's a link to an ebay add for the heated rear window switch marked for a metro http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Heated-Rear-Window-Switch-for-Austin-METRO-Classic-Car-Part-219911-/181819213949 . I did a repair to my legend because it was worn link to that here 

 

Fantastic Jimi! While I still don't think that it is suitable for a Metro (I haven't found any dash pictures with rectangular - rather than square buttons), but will have another look, the reference has hit the jackpot and given me a lead. It's sold by a Reliant spares specialist and is suitable for the Scimitar SS1/SST/Sabre. And lordy lordy, here we are:

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As regards swopping the legends over, that's not really what I was originally aiming at. I have the US light bulb headlamp legend and want the European dipped headlamp version. However, if I can nail down the source I should be able to find one. Alternatively I will take your very good example and butcher another illuminated switch :thumbup:

13 minutes ago, ian29gte said:

Just had a look at my old switch.

It's got TRW stamped on it. The code  is 3172 5F on the side. Off you go, Alan!

Even better! Yay! TRW!

THANK YOU IAN

Off on the trail... :bounce:

I tempted fate...now my Esprit V8 IS in bits...(sob)

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On 09 March 2016 at 16:53, ian29gte said:

Just had a look at my old switch.

It's got TRW stamped on it. The code  is 3172 5F on the side. Off you go, Alan!

I've got a hazard switch made by Torrix with the code 2804 0M on the side. Presumably TRW bought Torrix at some point?

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did anybody ever find a source for the window switches . foir the 1989 turbo x180 shape none se . i understand they were leyland  part no YUF10061LNF  . rimmer bros seem to have them but £30 a pop .!  anybody know of any other sources . cheers

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More to come on these switches, I've picked it up again with TRW and asked the question on the Scimitar forum. In the meantime for anyone who passes by because of the Austin Rover reference, here's the Leyland type switch part numbers that TRW supplied to me.

NOTES

"The bottom switch is from our switch range - 325SA. This was manufactured at another TRW site initially but here is a list of part numbers that I obtained around 2001.

LM10 is Maestro and LM11 Montego. Other types went on the early Land Rover Discovery.

Customer Jet Press supplied to LDV for their Pilot van. 674701 is one of these as you can see below and it looks similar to your photo. (see drawing)

 These switches are no longer in manufacture and the tooling has been scrapped. They are not very complicated switches so should be repairable if they are just not working. Try unclipping the switch and cleaning the terminals etc."

325SA

0126800A

REAR WIPE SW ASSY (PRC 8498)

L/R Caterpillar

PRC8498

325SA

0136300A

PUSH/PUSH SW ASSY HAZARD WARNING (MAH 1611)

Jet Press

SWT003-BLK

325SA

0136400A

PUSH/PUSH SW ASSY REAR FOG (MAH1617)

Jet Press

SWT004-BLK

325SA

0136500A

PUSH/PUSH SW ASSY DUAL LEV ILLUM (MAH 1743)

Jet Press

SWT005-BLK

325SA

0213000A

SWITCH ASSY HEATED FRONT SCREEN

L/R Caterpillar

AMR1051

325SA

5026800A

BEACON ON/OFF

MG Caterpillar

YUG101350

325SA

5026900A

HIGH/LOW INTENSITY SWITCH ASSY

MG Caterpillar

YUG101360

325SA

51790A0I

HAZARD SW ASSY (EER 1051)

Jet Press

SWT008-BLK

325SA

51797A0B

REAR FOG MOMENTARY 97 MY DISCOVERY

Unipart

AMR5178

325SA

52410A0A

VOLUME DOWN NON LATCHING 94 MY DISC

Unipart

AMR6463

325SA

52411A0A

VOLUME UP NON LATCHING 94 MY DISCOV

Unipart

AMR6462

325SA

52412A0A

RADIO STATION SEEK NON LATCHING

Unipart

AMR6464

325SA

52413A0

RADIO BAND SELECT NON LATCHING

Unipart

AMR6465

325SA

6707001A

HEATED REAR SCREEN LM10

 

 

325SA

6708001A

REAR FOG LAMP LM10

 

 

325SA

6708101A

REAR FOG LAMP

 

 

325SA

6713001A

HEATED REAR WINDOW LM11

L/R Caterpillar

AFU2719L

325SA

6714001A

REAR FOG LAMP LM11

L/R Caterpillar

AFU2720L

325SA

6714001A

SWITCH FOG-REAR

Unipart-Rover

AFU2720

325SA

6715001A

REAR SCREEN WIPE LM11

 

 

325SA

6716001A

REAR SCREEN WASH LM11

 

 

325SA

6719001A

HAZARD WARNING BLACK (MAH 1135)

Jet Press

67190-01

325SA

6719501A

HAZARD WARNING GREY (MAH 1428)

Jet Press

SWT016-BLK

325SA

6720001A

REAR FOG LAMP BLACK (MAH 1134)

Jet Press

67200-01

325SA

6723001A

HEATED REAR SCREEN METRO

MG Caterpillar

AFU4175

325SA

6727001A

FRONT FOG LAMP

MG Caterpillar

GAE295A

325SA

6728001A

HAZARD WARNING

Unipart London Taxis

6728001A

325SA

6728001A

HAZARD WARNING

L/R Caterpillar

AFU4209L

325SA

6729001A

INTERIOR LIGHT

L/R Caterpillar

AFU4207L

325SA

6729001A

INTERIOR LIGHT

Jet Press

AFU4207L

325SA

6730001A

AUX.DRIVING LAMP

L/R Caterpillar

AFU4208L

325SA

6732001A

PUSH PUSH SW COUPLING LIGHT (MAH1251 Y02)

Jet Press

67320-01

325SA

6735001A

REAR FOG LAMP T45 (MAH1252)

Jet Press

MAH1252

325SA

6736001A

HAZARD WARNING T45 (MAH 1252 Y02)

Jet Press

67360-01

325SA

6747001A

REAR FOG LAMP (ASU 1622)

Jet Press

67470-01(SuppliedtoJetPressasEER1765)

325SA

6748001A

INTERIOR LIGHT (ASU 1623)

Jet Press

67480-01

325SA

6761001A

BLANK SWITCH T45 (RDH1660)

Jet Press

67610-01

325SA

6761201A

PUSH PUSH SW DIESEL PRE HEAT (MAH1252 Y06)

Jet Press

67612-01

325SA

6763001A

FRONT FOG F/R

Jet Press

67630-01

325SA

6774001A

INTERIOR LIGHT

L/R Caterpillar

ATU1020L

325SA

6775001A

AUX-LAMPS

L/R Caterpillar

ATU1027L

325SA

6776001A

CRUISE CONTROL

L/R Caterpillar

ATU1023L

325SA

6777001A

HEATED REAR SCREEN (330082/01)

L/R Caterpillar

ATU1021L

325SA

6778001A

REAR FOG LIGHT

L/R Caterpillar

ATU1022L

325SA

6780001A

HEATED REAR SCREEN LM11

Jet Press

6780001A

325SA

6790001A

HEATED REAR SCREEN SW. LM10/11

MG Caterpillar

AFU3268

325SA

6790001A

HEATED REAR SCREEN LM11

Unipart-Rover

AFU3268

325SA

6797001A

REAR FOG LAMP LM10/11

MG Caterpillar

AFU3205

325SA

6798001A

HEATED REAR SCREEN LM10/1

MG Caterpillar

AFU3204

325SA

6800001A

REAR SCREEN WIPE LM10/11

Unipart-Rover

AFU3206

325SA

6801001A

BEACON ON/OFF LM10/11

 

 

325SA

6857001A

BEACON SWITCH (ASU1804)

Jet Press

68570-01

325SA

6908001A

INTERIOR LIGHT

Unipart - London Taxis

JHM1791

325SA

6908001A

INTERIOR LIGHT

MG Caterpillar

JHM1791

325SA

6936201A

PUSH PUSH SW HEATED REAR SCREEN (MAH1252 Y04)

Jet Press

69362-01

325SA

6936401A

PUSH PUSH SW INTERIOR LAMP (MAH1252 Y05)

Jet Press

69364-01

325SA

6939501A

AIR SUSPENSION CONTROL

Jet Press

69395-01

325SA

6950001A

HEATED REAR WINDOW JAY

L/R Caterpillar

PRC8395

325SA

6950501A

REAR FOG LAMP JAY

L/R Caterpillar

PRC8392

325SA

6951001A

REAR WASH JAY

L/R Caterpillar

PRC8393

325SA

6951501A

REAR WIPE JAY

L/R Caterpillar

PRC8394

325SA

6952501A

HEATED REAR SCREEN LM11

L/R Caterpillar

EEP118L

325SA

6953501A

REAR SCREEN WIPE LM11

L/R Caterpillar

EEP119L

325SA

6954001A

REAR SCREEN WASH LM11

L/R Caterpillar

EEP120L

325SA

6958501A

VOLUME DOWN JAY

L/R Caterpillar

PRC8389

325SA

6959501A

WAVE BAND SELECT JAY

L/R Caterpillar

PRC8390

325SA

6960001A

HEATED FRONT SCREEN

L/R Caterpillar

PRC6797

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