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Hi folks

Just in the process of getting a new kitchen.

As for the worktops, I have two options.

Granite, which I need to get a specialist in to cut / install or a possible alternative called Earthstone.

Question is, has anyone got an Earthstone worktop and how easy was it to cut / fit….especially if you have one of the sinks mounted from below.

Does it look ok after it has been in for a while etc etc …….OR is it simply a case of selling some of my body parts and getting a granite one fitted?

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How about marble ?


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We had granite in the last kitchen I fitted. It was fantastic to use and look at, so we are likely to go with that again next time...but I've no idea how it compares to earthstone, cos I've not come across that yet.

FWIW fitting a granite worktop is definitely a specialist thing. Not really because its that much harder to machine tool (though it is a bit), but just because it weighs sooooo much. I had three South African rugby players fit mine. I'm just an average lump of lard (183cm 95Kg) and these guys dwarfed me, but they still stuggled to lift and maneouvre the two biggest pieces into place between them. I fitted a pillar tap and found a 40mm hole saw on ebay that would do the job on granite (albeit slowly). Otherwise all sink/hob holes etc were cut in off site before delivery. Given the weight, you need good quality cupboard carcasses underneath very precisely and evenly levelled. The only disappointment was that their surveyor came out to template the worktop sections. He cut thin fibreboard to get the exact pattern which took account of any not quite 90degree wall angles etc and we agreed where the joins would go (eg over a solid cupboard support rather than cantelevered over a dishwasher space). Well it turns out you get the worktops in the most economical sections they can do from whatever slabs of your chosen granite that they have. So while it fitted well, and it still only had 1 join per run, the join wasn't where we agreed. The joins were visible if you looked for them, but they were so good they weren't noticable and I was assured that they would actually be mechanically stronger than the natural slab. The upstand was of course much smaller in section, and even the professionals managed to snap one fo the longer lengths while installing on an admittedly not entirely flat wall. We used that kitchen for 7 years and the worktops were still "as new" on the day we left.


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Earthstone seems to be a solid surface material. If you are good at carpentry you can fit it yourself. You will need a big router plus cutters with a nylon bearing for solid surface ( trend). We were quoted £8K without spashbacks. I bought the material from china direct from the makers ( polystone) for £1800 delivered and that included enough to fully pannel a bath and shower room. You need to be acurate in cutting and routing but its worth it. If you chip it you just sand it with a random orbital sander and your back to normal. If you get the option of a stainless bottom sink go for that rather than a solid surface one as our white one does hold a coffiee stain although it will clean off with a scouring pad. I even made a matching bread bin from the off cuts and panelled round the window rather than tiling. You use a negative kerf blade on a circular saw to cut it and earth it otherwise you get a hell of a belf from the static build up using the saw ( learnt that the hard way). This worktop has been in for 7 years. The top is 10mm thick so th front edge is made up of the top and 2 x30mm strips glued to its underside.

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Is that earthstone the same as Corian then?

Corian looks very similar but its a resin substance.

I'm currently pricing up granite, looking at between £2k-£3k at present with sink and fitted. Trying to get this knocked down a bit.


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I have two planks. Cost me about £10. Perfectly efficient......money saved used on more essential stuff; e.g. Lotus, champagne, boat.....


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Sounds familiar!

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Is that earthstone the same as Corian then?

Corian looks very similar but its a resin substance.

The earthstone pdf http://www.wilsonart.co.uk/Earthstone/Earthstone%20Installation%20leaflet_1.pdf seems to show it as already bonded to a mdf base and easier to diy than buying the sheets alone.

They all seem to be acrylic resin. Howdens did a system in various size of full depth blank that could be used if you set up a trade account with howdens. http://www.polystone.com.cn/en/Service/?cid=7

is th company I purchased from and that site shows how to install. It took about 2 months to import it. If you can do carpentry to a reasonable standard you can use solid surface. Corian limit the number of fitters to keep it exclusive and expensive. I spent £700 on a new big router, cutters and extractor unit from trend. As soon as I had finished I put the lot up on ebay and got back £550 which I was happy with. Corian do a s/steel bottomed sink withwork top coloured sides which would be better than our white one.

Search solid surface on the net and theres loads of info about it and how to fit. Getting hold of it is the hard bit.

Sorry for the rubish pics but this is the bathroom, no manky grout joints just 1 or 2 clear silicone ones.

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Can't comment on the Earthstone, but Granite (especially in black) used to show off every little mark/spec and fingerprint. Looked superb when clean and polished but that was half the problem - keeping it looking unmarked/clean. With sunken spots in the ceiling only going to highligh every fingerprint left from touching the worksurface. Probably differant scenaro in any other color other than black though.

Just my experiance.


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Can't comment on the Earthstone, but Granite (especially in black) used to show off every little mark/spec and fingerprint. Looked superb when clean and polished but that was half the problem

Fair point . I went the easy route on the solid surface and left ours satin ( as supplied) rather than polishing to a high gloss which would have been a nightmare to keep up high gloss. All its had is awipe over with a j cloth and anti bac cleaner. For stubbon marks u use Bar Keepers Friend ( abrasive paste) or a green cleaner scourer.

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I dont think we had the finger mark issues on our granite..... but it wasn't black and tbh I dont do much of the polishing round here, maybe Fran had a really hard time with it, tho she didn't say! Its certainly noticeable on the dark formica that we inherited in the new place - impossible to both use and keep looking nice.

I put in the old kitchen in in 2000 and this pic was taken in 2007 a month or so before we left. (Sorry about the mess but it was the only digital pic I could find - no idea why it was taken!) The run on the left was 4.2M long. Worked well for us....

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One surface that sounded attractive in features to me was quartz.. No, you don't get the beautiful natural graining of granite, but it's supposed to be impervious to hot objects and stains and does not need to be periodically re-sealed. Still expensive though (you would think in this economy there would be a bit of a price break on all products) One brand of quartz is Caesarstone: http://www.engineeredstone.com/caesarstone.htm

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look at aproduct called maia similar to earthstone and reasonably easy to work for a competent diy person.If you do not have the tools most can be hired including the worktop jig if needed


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Hi folks

Thanks for the info, very useful.

Latest is that ‘we’…. (Linda) settled on a John Lewis kitchen a while back…..Sorted.

Last week ‘we’ decided that ‘we’ were not so keen on the John Lewis one and wanted to go back to B&Q and spend a couple of hours looking at the options there…. So ‘we’ decided that ‘we ‘ preferred one at B&Q and decided to go with the Earthstone worktops.

Then there was another possible change of plans, hence the question about fitting etc.

Last night ‘we’ have decided(???) that ‘we’ should possibly go for granite worktops (…ok I can live with that…just make a bloody decision!) but the latest is that ‘we’ now want to go back to the beginning and go for the John Lewis kitchen and ‘have a think’ about which worktops to go for!

I am loosing the will to live.

Final chapter (I hope) .

Decision is now made. John Lewis kitchen which I will install and granite worktops to be installed by specialist fitter.

Mind you, its only fair that she gets what she wants I guess because she spends a lot of time in the kitchen.

Some people say that I don’t give her any freedom but that’s just not true.

She has a long chain that stretches from the kitchen right through to the bedroom. :whistle:

Thanks again for all your help

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Will this street soap run to a second series? Will Gordon be allowed to fit the John Lewis kitchen? Will `we` decide to make another change after having had more time to discuss the above said final choices with the inportant people in her life - i.e. her friends, who will offer similar advice to offered here, so that `we` can decide that granite will perhaps show every mark. Will the chain be extended to allow GORDON out into the sunlight to look at his car again?

However fitting granite that shows every mark is all part of a sinister unplot to justify eating out more as `we` wouldn`t want the surface marked now, would `we`

That last bit is based on `our` experience of buying a huge stone table last year to easily sit 8 of us as previously `our` perfectly acceptable wood table only sat 8 at a push and we have a gang of 8 friends we regularly entertain with. So 5.5K later `we` have a lovely table ("well you got the Evora so don`t say a word about wasting money") that I had to strengthen the joists underfloor for. It took 4 men to lift the top in. It marks at the slightest thing, and `we` were afraid to sit round it in case somebody spilt a glass of red wine as "it would be ruined". I, as opposed to `we` came up with the idea of then covering it in a sheet of toughened glass to protect the investment with a further investment, otherwise it would have become our biggest ornament. `We` were never going to sit at the damn thing, only view from afar and say "isn`t that lovely".

Beware Italian stone tables - read the care instructions before you buy - not after! We had previously been discussing granite worktops for our next kitchen and SWMBO has now been put off although this table is nothing like granite. More a soft marble like stone. I just hope that doesn`t mean `we` are thinking about Corian now which must be the most overpriced `plastic` product in the world.


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Gosh everyone has far posher and bigger kitchens than I!, although I have no SWMBO, other than a tempramental british branded german diesel car that throws a wobbly at everything...

I have beech worktops, cost about £700 fitted, looks nice - has been danish oiled enough to be resistant not enough to look artificial, and if it goes through that a little light sanding and its good as new :)

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I went the granite route. Expensive, USD$4500, but it's the last countertop I'll ever buy.

My wife is quite the pastry chef, so this gives her the largest possible surface for rolling dough. It would seem that is best done on a cold, hard surface.

On the other hand, I look at that countertop on occasion and see a respray and set of Saturn wheels... oh well.

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Final chapter (I hope) . Decision is now made. John Lewis kitchen which I will install and granite worktops to be installed by specialist fitter. Mind you, its only fair that she gets what she wants I guess because she spends a lot of time in the kitchen. Some people say that I don’t give her any freedom but that’s just not true. She has a long chain that stretches from the kitchen right through to the bedroom. :whistle: Thanks again for all your help

Well thank god that was all sorted out!

John Lewis have been to the house to do the measure up and we have been to two granite specialists to get that planned.

Result….errrr…..well not really!

Just about to go down and buy the kitchen from John Lewis but “we” have now decided that it might be a good idea to scrap the whole thing and build an extension joined to the original kitchen and punch through the wall to make the kitchen bigger.

My cup overfloweth, what joy. I would be happy with just being able to make a cup of tea and bung a microwave Indian in the oven!

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Now I know what you were illudding to in your e-mail. Just when you thought it was safe to go back min the kitchen to! Sounds like you are wearing the chain there Gordon.

Oh well don`t worry I was informed between Christmas & New year while `we` were bored tyding up the kids bedrooms after they decamped back to Aberdeen flats leaving the house with their mark on it, that `we` no longer needed to have shrines to them kept in the house. (well they are 23 & 26 after all) `We` needed two more spare bedrooms. Why when the present spare room is hardly used is beyond me - I wasn`t allowed to make it a pool room a while back either. Can I use one of the 3 rooms for a pool room then? I think you have guessed the answer haven`t you? I had to ask though. I don`t actually ever remember my missus suffering the `empty nest` syndrome for very long! More like the `how much do you need to leave home for good` syndrome. Stupidly I thought that this would mean taking down some posters, filling some holes and another lick of paint.......... How stupid of me! What it actually means is new beds and furniture. Very specific furniture that `we` have already ordered as on 16 weeks delivery. New carpets, curtains and bedding as well of course. And did I say paint? Stupid man. I should have said wallpaper of some expensive variety. I still haven`t figured out what was wrong with the shrine concept myself, in rooms that nobody uses apart from dumping junk. Also I am not allowed half (or less) dressed women posters in our bedroom - so I was quite happy with the shrine concept.:thumbsup:

Think of all the fun I am going to have - after repairing the dining ceiling that came down on the 26th December :censored: with a leaking shower above because `somebody ` picked out a long bit of silicone just before Christmas when cleaning :realmad: and then tried to blame my plumbing which is evidently still tight and dry. :harhar:


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And to think that people wonder why I'm still single...


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Honestly, they don't...

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There is a Worktop Express in your area and they supply earth stone cut to size.  Also ant god carpenter should be able to cut it as it has a CHIPBOARD core and most woodworking tools will cut it


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