AntonyPeacock 0 Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Kimbers, I know that the work was intertwined between the two companies, but legally they were separate entities, just like you said above. I am glad that I am not one of the lawyers trying to sort this out. This will not an easy battle for either side, standard copyright and trademark rules are slightly different because of the nature of the sport, with it being so expensive to enter into F1. At least they have until November to build their cases over this silly name dispute. Todays court case is about the fact that Group Lotus ended the licence agreement with 1 Malaysia to use the Lotus Racing name, and not about the 'Team Lotus' naming row Quote What is the difference between an overtake and a crash? An overtake is a crash that never happened! Link to post Share on other sites
richardvg 3 Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 So ,I think that Mike hit the nail on the head 1.Team Lotus was the car that has been developed in true Lotus style by Gascoine and co. 2.Group Lotus are sponsoring a "Lotus " of effectively sponsoring a Renault and adding the name to it. Choose your sides gentlemen.......................................I stick with the harder working and more genuine of the two! Quote Technically sound ...Theoretically poked ! Link to post Share on other sites
gghc87 70 Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Tomorrow 25th at 10.30am before MR JUSTICE PETER SMITH in Court 61 according to the HMCS court list although at the top of the page it does say this can be changed. HMCS Clicky Quote Cliff Men marry women with the hope they will never change. Women marry men with the hope they will change. Invariably they are both disappointed. : Albert Einstein Link to post Share on other sites
plumdeplakmuis 34 Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 1.Team Lotus was the car that has been developed in true Lotus style by Gascoine and co. Please define true Lotus style. (Preferrably in a definition that sets them aside from Sauber, Force india, McLaren etc) Quote VAN DER LEE Turbo Systems - www.vdlee.com Link to post Share on other sites
AntonyPeacock 0 Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Please define true Lotus style. (Preferrably in a definition that sets them aside from Sauber, Force india, McLaren etc) Thinks he means building a team up from nothing, just like Chapman did, and not just putting a name on a car that someone else created Quote What is the difference between an overtake and a crash? An overtake is a crash that never happened! Link to post Share on other sites
Bibs 10,534 Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Do you think this is Mike's first job in F1? Quote 88 Esprit NA, 89 Esprit Turbo SE, Evora, Evora S, Evora IPS, Evora S IPS, Evora S IPS SR, Evora 400, Elise S1, Elise S1 111s, Evora GT410 Sport Evora NA For forum issues, please contact the Moderators. I will aim to respond to emails/PM's Mon-Fri 9-6 GMT. Link to post Share on other sites
AntonyPeacock 0 Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 (edited) I know it isn't, that isn't what I meant. They aren't just using a car that was belonged to another team Edited January 24, 2011 by Antony Peacock Quote What is the difference between an overtake and a crash? An overtake is a crash that never happened! Link to post Share on other sites
plumdeplakmuis 34 Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Thinks he means building a team up from nothing, just like Chapman did, and not just putting a name on a car that someone else created Ok, thus building a team, and naming it after a brand that someone else created. Quote VAN DER LEE Turbo Systems - www.vdlee.com Link to post Share on other sites
gghc87 70 Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Well the hearing has currently disappeared off the provisional court list for tomorrow, but as I said earlier the list is subject to variation up to 4.30pm GMT. Quote Cliff Men marry women with the hope they will never change. Women marry men with the hope they will change. Invariably they are both disappointed. : Albert Einstein Link to post Share on other sites
gtornes78 0 Posted January 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Hearing allready over. Decided that full trial starts on 21 March http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9371721.stm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Iconic Ride 267 Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 "Lotus finished last season 10th in the constructors' championship, with Renault fifth, and the Renault cars were 2.2 seconds faster per lap at the season-ending Abu Dhabi Grand Prix. The two cars will both be launched in time to take part in the first pre-season test at Valencia's Circuit Ricardo Tormo from 1-3 February." Let the games begin! Quote Being second is to be the first of the ones who lose. Link to post Share on other sites
ads_green 12 Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Thing is TF and TL have nothing to lose - can you imagine what will happen if the renault engine coupled with the Red Bull back end (which as far as I understand it Lotus-Renault do not have) and a working hydraulics system actually start to move them up? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wookiecj 9 Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Thing is TF and TL have nothing to lose - can you imagine what will happen if the renault engine coupled with the Red Bull back end (which as far as I understand it Lotus-Renault do not have) and a working hydraulics system actually start to move them up? I suspect it will result in some sort of fan/fertiliser/impact combo..... Quote In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.<br /><br />In practice, there is! Link to post Share on other sites
DanR 69 Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Prediction: Won't be resolved in British courts but back in Malaysia. Once TF and the powers there sort out their differences and come to some sort of accommodation. The resolution will involve TF buying part or all of Lotus. Quote DanR Link to post Share on other sites
comem47 195 Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 The resolution will involve TF buying part or all of Lotus. I would agree except that won't happen if Dany boy is still there. Too much bad blood already. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bibs 10,534 Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Latest Press Releases from both camps Quote 88 Esprit NA, 89 Esprit Turbo SE, Evora, Evora S, Evora IPS, Evora S IPS, Evora S IPS SR, Evora 400, Elise S1, Elise S1 111s, Evora GT410 Sport Evora NA For forum issues, please contact the Moderators. I will aim to respond to emails/PM's Mon-Fri 9-6 GMT. Link to post Share on other sites
obione 74 Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Its good to see that both camps are "delighted"... Quote This book is guaranteed to NOT change your life…but it does mention a Lotus Esprit...To enjoy this masterpiece, download Martin now. Simples!!! Link to post Share on other sites
simonb 11 Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Everyone a winner, how cool is that Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kimbers 1,638 Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Lol, same outcome but both parties won.....gotta love those PR machines. Quote Possibly save your life. Check out this website.http://everyman-campaign.org/ Distributor for 'Every Male' grooming products. (Discounts for any TLF members hairier than I am!) Link to post Share on other sites
rogerch 63 Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 No Summary Judgement in favour of Group Lotus, round 1 to TF. Quote Life is like a sewer, what you get out of it, depends on what you put into it. (Tom Leahrer) Link to post Share on other sites
richardvg 3 Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 How long does one wait before continuation of developement on the F1 car. We are all aware of the dynamic in F1 and therefore if you are one week behind the competitors ,you lose. Whilst the other teams are throwing 110% at the cars and developement ,Lotus and /or Lotus branded F1 actually suffers a defeat before the season starts .After all the question in everybody's mind is "who will win the case?" Wait and see = Lotus loser . Lets be positive though ,two teams ,different ways of structuring ,old school culture versus new kid MBA ways. PLACE YOUR BETS NOW ON WHICH OF THE TWO TEAMS WILL BE THE MOST REWARDED ,ON THE TRACK THIS YEAR .............. Quote Technically sound ...Theoretically poked ! Link to post Share on other sites
Iconic Ride 267 Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 Prediction: Won't be resolved in British courts but back in Malaysia. Once TF and the powers there sort out their differences and come to some sort of accommodation. The resolution will involve TF buying part or all of Lotus. Works for me. Once Tony's at the helm, he can magnanimously offer Dany a position on the pit crew changing tyres, thus fulfilling the man's avowed wish to participate in F1. Quote Being second is to be the first of the ones who lose. Link to post Share on other sites
USAndretti42 280 Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 How long does one wait before continuation of developement on the F1 car. We are all aware of the dynamic in F1 and therefore if you are one week behind the competitors ,you lose. I doubt either team is holding off work on the cars while waiting for the outcome of the court case. I suppose Lotus Renault are at a slight advantage, though, as the team need not be involved to fight the case, while it is another distraction for Team Lotus' principal. Quote S4 Elan, Elan +2S, Federal-spec, World Championship Edition S2 Esprit #42, S1 Elise, Excel SE Link to post Share on other sites
ads_green 12 Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 Interesting - the Renault car has a Renault Type number (The R31). Even when Lotus Racing were under license they ran a Type 127 which I believe is an official lotus type number. As for the press releases - well I have to say it did work out majority in favour of Group Lotus. I don't think anybody was surprised that the summary judgement was denied as the case is too complex however I think TF was aiming for a november date for the name so after a full season of F1 where any enforced name change would be easier to handle. Having everything decided in March leads to the dangerous possibility of should TF lose then he'll be forced to change the name and most likely be stuffed by Lotus again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AntonyPeacock 0 Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 The press releases are always swung in the favour of the party writing them. And all that really happened is that the judge decided to sort all of the ridiculous battle in one court case. Quote What is the difference between an overtake and a crash? An overtake is a crash that never happened! Link to post Share on other sites
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