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Ok guys,

Since my car is currently not running its best :D and I am unable to take it out, I have decided to start spending more money on it. :P There are a few cosmetic projects I have been toying with to clean the look up and repair some problem areas i have ran into...

Anyways, back on topic... From an older post we were talking about aftermarket copies of the Wolfrace wheels and I stumbled upon copies of the Lancia Stratos wheels. Now I have always loved these wheels and thought that they might look nice on my S2. I have also always liked the mesh rims as well.

Now, I still plan to keep my Speedlines in perfect condition and put those shoes on often, I just wanted to get some nice 16 inch wheels that I wouldnt have to kill someone to get tires for. I have a fairly large budget to spend and I expect to get these wheels in custom offests and widths...

Here are a couple pics that I photoshopped quickly. Neither are very good but it gives you the idea (slade, the mesh are from yours i think, haha)

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....SO, my questions for you guys is do any of you have verified numbers on wheel width, offset, etc for the speedlines? I want to get slightly wider wheels and need to know the offsets to ensure I am getting the right wheels. I would hate to spend a small fortune and have my wheels look like sunken-in pizza cutters :(

Whats the max width you can go? All of you G-car owners who have custom wheels, care to help point me towards the appropriate specs??? Please???

I know there is a lot of g-car knowledge on thie forum...

What are your opinions about the wheel choices?

Below is an email I recieved from my prior inquiries. Can anyone verify these numbers? I plan to use them it decide on a proper 15/16 inch wheel for my S2...

These are not factory spec's,  I measured 1980 Esprit S2's wheels.  Take it for what it's worth.

                      Front                        Rear

Spec Size:    14 x 7.0 inch              14 x 7.5 inch

Bolt Pattern    4 x 100 mm                4 x 100 mm (3 15/16 inch)

Back Space    5.125    inch              3.375    inch

Front Space    2.875    inch              5.125    inch

Total Width    8.000    inch              8.500    inch

Offset, inch  +1.125 (RWS +1.181")  -0.875 inch (RWS  -0.787")

Offset, mm  +28.58  (RWS +30)      -22.22  mm  (RWS  -20)

RWS  = Racing Wheel Services.

They quoted slightly different offset numbers.

I've run 215-60 x 14 and 225-50 x 14 on the front.  There's minor rubbing with the 225's at full lock in reverse...  parking lot maneuvers.

I've run 225-50 x 14,  225-60 x 14  and 235-60 x 14 on the rear with no problem.  If you experience minor rubbing on the heat shield it shouldn't be too difficult to remedy.  The shield is just thin-wall aluminum sheet...  bend it.

Regards,

Tim Engel

Thanks in advance for all your help guys!!!

Shah

oh yeah, if you have custom wheels on your G-car, please post pics. I want to see how it looks...

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Well lookie what I got here!! ;-)

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In just the right colours for your car too!

Compomotive, split rims like the Essex but 5 stud!

I've been waiting until I get them refurbed (mirror polish the rims and spray the centres black or silver)

they would go perfectly with yours!

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In just the right colours for your car too!

Compomotive, split rims like the Essex but 5 stud!

I've been waiting until I get them refurbed (mirror polish the rims and spray the centres black or silver)

they would go perfectly with yours!

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Man those are beautiful. I would love to find something like this for mine. I think that the gold with the polished lip looks so sexy too...

damn the 5-lug!! :D

So is the wheel spacing and the area in the wheel well different from the S2 to the turbo cars? I would suspect so (especially 5 lug), but you never know...

I wish this information was better documented out there...

Heres the stratos wheels...

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and the wolfrace...

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or maybe put Lambo wheels on it :( ....

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Shah

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:D If they fit and you lived in the UK I'd happily sell them to you!! lol

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Robin if you want I could get them done for you at a very good price. The place that did mine are very reasonable.

Mmm not sure I can get used to calling you Robin .............. I think I'll stick to Fishy

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:P

Grrrr.. I know whose fault his all is! :( lol

I could well be VERY interested Troy :(

Im thinking of having the rims either mirror polished (or just plain polished at the very least) or Chromaxed... and then the centres either straight out silver... or black and then diamond cut (like the Essex)

Any possibility you could get an estimate from that info and those pics please?!?! :D:P:(

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Alright Shah, as beautiful as the BBS rims you stole from me are... :D

Go for the Wolfraces if you paint the car white!!! I love em.

But I agree your car would look very nice as it is now (in grey) with that gold accent... and the polished rims do set them off in a nice way. So BBS!!!

The Stratos rims also capture the personality of your car well, as long as you paint them gold :( (I love gold, can you tell?)

The Lambo wheels would also look nice if it was white, but something tells me they would look odd in gold :P

Here's to gold wheels! Not just for subarus! :(

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The Stratos "Coffin Spoke" wheel are pretty tasty. However I'm not sure how well they would work on a 4 lug hub. Seems like not having the lugs centered in the spoke would take a lot away from the design of the wheel. I'm all for the Wolfrace look-a-likes though. Preriod correct and very cool. Maybe since your car is a darker color you could paint/powercoat the centers a darker color and leave the lip polished.

Something like this from the same company might look pretty nice as well:

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I'm not exactly in love with the lime green Scirocco, but check out those wheels, I bet they would look awesome on an S2 in your color.

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I have to say Image Wheels has some pretty cool "Old Skool" wheels available.

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I'm not exactly in love with the lime green Scirocco, but check out those wheels, I bet they would look awesome on an S2 in your color.

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I have to say Image Wheels has some pretty cool "Old Skool" wheels available.

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I definately agree bout those wheels on the S2....

im not sure... decisions decisions....

im such a fan of the gold annodized centers though....

Shah

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I'm guessing those fellows over at Image will make the centers just about any color you want if the wheels are custom built.

I definately agree bout those wheels on the S2....

im not sure... decisions decisions....

im such a fan of the gold annodized centers though....

Shah

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I vote for the wheels on the Scirroccoocococo done with gold centers! Will look especially cool if you paint the car back to white! (didn't you once mention that?)

Tony K. :)

 

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By the way, Shah, regarding the measurements you posted earlier, I tend to put a lot of faith in any information Tim Engel provides about the S2 and the 907. I doubt I will ever be able to count on more than one hand the number of people whose advice on the 907 I would take over my own; at the moment it may very well be Tim alone. His scattered writings on the 907 and the S2, some of them collected in the yahoogroup, are sacred scripture to S1/S2 owners!

Tony K. :)

 

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I've got FM-10 wheels made by Fikse out of Washington (state), USA.

http://www.fikse.com/profil10.html

Here's a picture of the car with the wheels: http://home.comcast.net/~tbeggan/images/DSCN1575sq.jpg

Just in case you think you need the specifications:

http://home.comcast.net/~tbeggan/fact_sheet.htm (look for the "WHEELS" section)

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These are the details for the 1981-1987 S3/Turbo

Front

offset (ET) +23 Centre Bore 71mm Stud PCD 120mm

Rear

offset (ET) -20 Centre Bore 71mm Stud PCD 120mm

Unfortunatly the S1/S2 is different.

Andy

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1981 S3 4.2 V8 6 speed (The Mutant)

Mutant V8 Conversion Thread

Knowledge is power .................... apparently.

 

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Thanks for the specs... I find a lot more information out there for the turbos than there earlier NA counterparts...

Tony, I do trust Tim's reply very much. I was just curious if there were other numbers that I could bounce off them. I will most likely do measurements myself and take the average of the two numbers Tim provided and any measurements that I take.

But I am planning most likely on gold centers with polished lip. I think that is will look good on the car in its current state and once I decide to paint it the original white it will look rediculously sexy...

I love white cars with gold rims...

Good point about the Stratos wheels Mike. I think that I may call them and see if they happen to have a pic of a four lug version that I could see to make sure its not too off...

Tom, thanks for the information about your wheels. I will try to reference that the most I can but Im afraid that it would be different considering yours is a Turbo...

I will keep you guys updated with what I find. It will be good to have this offset information documented somewhere on here anyways...

Im a stickler for knowledge management.... :D

Shah

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I've got FM-10 wheels made by Fikse out of Washington (state), USA.

http://www.fikse.com/profil10.html

Here's a picture of the car with the wheels: http://home.comcast.net/~tbeggan/images/DSCN1575sq.jpg

Just in case you think you need the specifications:

http://home.comcast.net/~tbeggan/fact_sheet.htm  (look for the "WHEELS" section)

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Same here.. only the profil10 series.

..when did you get the Fikse? I got mine Feb 2005. I actually had to produce a build sheet for Fikse.

Here is the info.. may have to be in two posts..

Now that they are fitted I would change the offset slightly by going minus 18 rear and plus 23 fronts.

Jan

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Same here.. only the profil10 series.

..when did you get the Fikse?  I got mine Feb 2005. I actually had to produce a build sheet for Fikse.

Here is the info.. may have to be in two posts..

Now that they are fitted I would change the offset slightly by going minus 18 rear and  plus 23 fronts.

Jan

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Hi Jan,

I'm honestly not sure what the difference is between the FM10 and the Pro10, but I think it's that the Pro10 is their newer line. The design is essentially the same. I know it's just opinion, but I think these wheels look fantastic on the G-car.

The Fikses have been on my car for quite a few years, and when I asked them about building more, they said they'd have to use the Profile line, not the FM's.

Looks like you and I went through the exact same mathmatical calculations. Initially, the rear wheels on my car were WAY too wide at 10.5" (about 267mm). The previous owner had them built that way :D , then when the tires (275's) started rubbing the heat sheild, he put smaller tires on the rear (255). They looked absolutely hiddeous, with the tire being significantly more narrow than the rim. Truthfully, it reminded me of a Tijuana special. I couldn't stand it, so I made all the calculations and sent them back to Fikse in 2004 to refit them with a narrower rear wheel half. I've got them down to 9" wide now (229mm) and they look perfect with the 255's. I went very aggressive with negative offset, and I love it. The only trouble is I need to take them to a specialist to get a proper balance, most of the kid-mechanics don't know how to do them.

The good news is that if you really want to change the wheels, you do have options with these because they're modular. :)

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second attachment..

OE BBS wheel data

Jan

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Incredible! I wish I'd had this diagram 3 years ago. I ended up having to make all the measurements myself, including the 5x120 bolt pattern, and that wasn't easy to get precise. Happy to report though, as it turns out, my measurements were very very close :D .

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Shah,

Just a personal view but I'm not a fan of spoked wheels on the G-cars. The Speedlines are perfect but if you wanted to change, I'd go with the Lambo style as I reckon the solid shape would blend better with the car's appearance (as well as your colour choice). Evenyone talks about the wedge shape but I think the S1 & S2 cars are suprisingly curveaceous compared to the turbo and the wheels need to compliment that.

Pete

PS Michelin have revived their XWX tyre from the 70's in the correct width for the rears 205/70VR14 but it's an ugly tread and

Pete '79 S2

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Shah, why do you want to change the Speedlines? :D

That style was unique to Lotus and IMO they suit the car better than the Wolfies on the S1. :)

I dont find them unnatractive at all. :)

The big flashy hoops alot of the fellows are running dont really do it for me. :)

The Speedlines are so F1 circa 1976 B)

How many other cars have you EVER seen with them on (besides the Esprit S2 and the Elite)?

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wayne,

as i said before, i love the speedlines. my favorite wheel on an esprit. i was thinking bout getting something that was easier to get tires for and that I didnt have to worry about as much as my beautiful speedlines. i guess we will see what happens...

shah

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I'm not Shah (so feel free to tell me to sit down and shut up! :(), but...

Wolfraces are actually my favorite :) There's nothing more 70s to my eyes, and nothing they look bad on (and they've been smacked on everything from 240Zs to dune buggies and raised suburbans :) I'm on a passive lookout for Ansen Slot mags for my Chev . Plus they look EXACTLY like an enlarged Hot Wheels car which brings back memories :) (This one complete with federal bumpers for you Shah :(

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And the BBS's, well there there's nothing more 80s supercar :)

I don't think any modern wheel designs (especially anything over 15" or so) treat the G shape very well. But the one's on that lime green VW don't look bad.

Never liked the speedlines personally. They look too fussy, and remind me of a cutting device my grandma would probably posses in her 1970s era kitchen :) Or maybe a sink drain grating. Something culinary. Maybe if I had any actual recollection of the 70s rather than vague impressions that people liked Ansen slot mags back then (as well as big puffy hair helmets), I'd like em :)

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