Gold FFM Barrykearley Posted May 2, 2015 Gold FFM Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Hardcore engineering - I'm stunned - good luck with the build Quote Only here once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDangerUS Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 (edited) but still seems a lot of work when you can get a zetec ford engine these days running 500 plus brake horse without all these tricks...and I can get 350 bhp out of 1.7litres of ford engine without much bother... Well... ANYONE can do that! The thrill in in trail blazing! My favourite proverb is "the distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success." Insanity is difficulty with reality, or non acceptance of the status-quo. The term 'difficulty with reality' is generalized. Many, many definitions. The one I like is to say that they have trouble with reality. Creativity are the misfits of society. Misfits is that which is not acceptable to society. In other words, that which is not accepted by society, is creative. Genius is innovation of value. Genius is something new of value. Value is just a generalization. It does not state that it is good, or that it is bad, whether or not it is right or wrong, positive or negative. All it is, is saying that if you come up with something new, then society will give it value. Bottom line: there are a couple of us in the Lotus Community who enjoy "poking the yoke"! Just for for a fistful of fun. Edited May 11, 2015 by MrDangerUS Quote MrDangerUS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chillidoggy Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 An impressive piece of work as always, Dave. If you need anyone up there to sweep the floor, and pass you spanners, I'm not that far from retirement, you know! Quote Margate Exotics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold FFM Sparky Posted May 11, 2015 Gold FFM Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Join the bloody queue. Quote British Fart to Florida, Nude to New York, Dunce to Denmark, Numpty to Newfoundland. And Shitfaced Silly Sod to Sweden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold FFM Barrykearley Posted May 11, 2015 Gold FFM Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Yeah lads - love the man love!! Spot the hoon in this bit of awesome video Quote Only here once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CHANGES Posted May 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 OOOPS... How did that happen,!! I must have left the traction control switched off... Thinking back, it would have been a good time to have tested the new TC. system, but not as much fun... Still it was a good test run to Brooklands and back, 300 mile round trip + a few gentle laps of the track. A nice way to bed the new donkey in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold FFM Barrykearley Posted May 13, 2015 Gold FFM Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 Your very naughty...... And the track womble probably whined at you...... We very much enjoyed the blasting..... I have some flame shots as well. There was a lovely orange supercharged - exige I think ( sorry if I got that wrong ) that sounded awesome as well Quote Only here once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike6 Posted May 14, 2015 Report Share Posted May 14, 2015 Best Esprit drive I have ever seen and the flames were awesome. I was watching from the AMG open viewing platform at the top of the building and the AMG guys watching were pretty impressed as well. But, did I spot a defective brake light! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHANGES Posted May 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Your very naughty...... And the track womble probably whined at you...... We very much enjoyed the blasting..... I have some flame shots as well. Yep got a telling off from track official .. (memories of my circuit days) I never get to see the talked about flames, for obvious reasons. so would be interested in seeing any shots you have Barry, please.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHANGES Posted May 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Development details part 3 The cold air intake (CAI) was and area I had previously worked on. I initially adopted the ram air system used by Dermot O’Hare, with great success. However after the thread on ribbed CAI hoses by MrD, it started me thinking. Although people shunned the post, details made sense to me. The post turbo flow had been smoothed and ported with great results, so why not the pre turbo. The thought behind this being the smoother the air reaching the compressor the more efficient it can perform producing less heat so better VE. On close examination of the system I had adopted, not only was I shocked at the flow losses from the ribbed hoses but the restrictions from all the bends was huge. As a result I came up with a new high flow option which illuminated virtually all the losses. The first part was the intake aperture and pipe. I retained the 4” opening with large grill but attached to a 4” ID 45’ bend silicon hose (stock Item) . This was now directed back to the position of the original hole within the rear arch. This hole was enlarged to the OD of 4” 90’ bend made from smooth bore high density plastic as in domestic waste pipe. This bend would now exit the inner vertical face of the rear arch which is directly in line with the compressor inlet . The same high flow viper evolution filter was used again but this time far easier and less intrusive to fit.. Alloy pipes with silicone hose connectors were used to complete the system. The net result was two smooth bends, instead of several ribbed and some quite acute bends. Made from stock available items with no more than a bit of cutting and glass fibre work.. A small mod was also needed to the vertical face on the boot floor. Total time for conversion circa 12 hours. I retained the same turbo spec as all the data gathered during previous testing showed its performance was exactly what I needed.. On the charge cooler I made a small mod to the inlet side, increasing the size slightly too perfectly match the compressor outlet. I also smoothed out the original design for flow reasons.. The next area was the plenum nose, this had been ported previous but still could be improved, quite a bit of material including the hump over the 2nd injectors was removed providing much better flow data. This was again done in part with the plenum back plate which had considerable modifications.. Above previous form close to standard, below new reformed unit The back plate inlet and lip were greatly increased directing a wider flow on entry to the chamber. The lip was extended to push the flow in front of the new intake stacks which were 12 mm longer and designed to improve the flow dynamics around the throttle body on each port as well as lengthening each tract. All this porting required the 1” spacer plate to be internally reshaped as it now becomes part of the flow channel, no longer just a volume spacer. The plenum cover opposite the nose intake has a vertical face which buffers the air flow. I cannot understand why I had not addressed this area before. As a result I machined out the face and welded in a new form. I did this in a way that used the original cover and kept the same outward appearance. The flow improvements this all provided were massive, allowing greater volume with increased velocity down to the head. This new flow data allowed the porting of the inlets to be improved reducing the laminar layers further increasing VE. Also general head porting was slightly modified to try and reduce counter swirl on inlets. Valve shape and sizes were retained along with the Alunox manifold. All the new flow dynamics, volume , velocity etc opened the door for the new combustion format, allowing the new lower compression ratio without generating lag… detailed previous In part 1.. The published results are circa +40 BHP and torque , with a lower boost level and final compression ratio than before. (Food for thought) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDangerUS Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 (edited) IMHO, the next step would be a revised plenum, similar to Loren's on his "Aero Lotus" See more ideas at http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f164/what-did-you-do-your-esprit-today-284793/ and http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f164/how-loose-600-lbs-270466/ . Edited May 20, 2015 by MrDangerUS Quote MrDangerUS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHANGES Posted May 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 I have no doubt that plenum design and flow has a major effect on performance. But, and I stress But , only as part of a package, I have no data to say as an individual modification will have benefits without draw backs. Both the design shown in Mr D's post and my version have no facilities for secondary injectors. Also the flow parameters within this type of design may not be suitable if installed. When I make Changes to my engines, I always first look to what i call the fuse, or the weakest link if you prefer . Changes to any area can not be fully appreciated when restricted by an inferior section or negative influencing factor. This tends to be a catch 22 situation until you arrive at saturation or impasse. At present the plenum design changes I have made, moved it away from being a restrictor. That is now reserved for the clutch which is preventing full power engagement and air flow testing of said area..I doubt it will feel needing as the power level now is getting extreme. What would be more appropriate is testing of similar systems on standard engines to gather useful data.. So far I have managed to keep the externally appearance much the same. The plenum design is certainly an area of great interest and potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skaffen Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 No flame shots, alas, but a few photos I got from the track side the other weekend...1989 Lotus Esprit Turbo SE1989 Lotus Esprit Turbo SE1989 Lotus Esprit Turbo SE1989 Lotus Esprit Turbo SE1989 Lotus Esprit Turbo SE1989 Lotus Esprit Turbo SE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHANGES Posted May 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 Thanks for the pics Matt, great clarity, It the first pics which show any detail of the new concept wheel arches I am trying.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chillidoggy Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 I think it's a shame that the compressed air first has to do a 90, then a complete 180 before it gets to the throttle bodies. We used say "Three nineties equals a blank flange" when referring to fluid pipework, and it makes me wonder if there are any gains to be had there? But it would involve a lot of changes which may not be possible, or indeed feasible. Nice pics of the car, love the wheelarches. Quote Margate Exotics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHANGES Posted May 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 I think it's a shame that the compressed air first has to do a 90, then a complete 180 before it gets to the throttle bodies. We used say "Three nineties equals a blank flange" when referring to fluid pipework, and it makes me wonder if there are any gains to be had there? But it would involve a lot of changes which may not be possible, or indeed feasible. This along with all the other air flow geometry was and is the greatest choke on the 910's performance.. I still find it strange that owners looking for power first modify the Turbo and boost. This will only exacerbate the problem of flow with little gain plus the negative impact of higher boost with standard fueling setup. I think it has now been proved that contrary to published opinion that gas flowing a turbo engine has benefits.. Admittedly this is not something to be undertaken without some experience, but there is enough basic info and illustrations within this thread to give an understanding of what can be achieved and undertaken. This second stage of flow management development was a result of knowledge gained from previous undertakings along with data gathered and received. The results are very encouraging and show that even though the intake tract twist and turns so aggressively , it is still possible to extract sufficient flow quality to remove the restrictive elements. I still think the most impressive result out of all the data so far is the 410 BHP at just over 1 bar boost.. This is the closest comparative to standard boost pressure showing in excess of 100 bhp gain from mainly flow management.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chillidoggy Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 So, without the usual route of increasing the revs, and boost (combustion chamber pressure), is it safe to assume that the gains you've achieved are because the improved airflow through the system means the engine is breathing more efficiently, and thus 'working' less hard to make the power? Quote Margate Exotics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHANGES Posted May 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 Yes . that is exactly the case.. In fact the 410 bhp at just over 1 bar boost on my engine is possible very close to the std final boosted C/R. This is because i am running static C/R of 7.5:1 instead of 8.0:1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulob1 Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 but you also mean head flow smoothing, so blue printing the head would assist power...the std engine I understand wont take much more than 350BHP without some physical mods...seems odd to me that but can only listen to what I am told by the likes of PUK...I am certainly going to install their 350 bhp chip stage 6 ready for a complete engine rebuild and tune up...maybe? all depending upon whether I can get the chassis and the brakes up to scratch.. with the engine mods how have you found the other items, brakes and handling... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 Always an interesting read. Very nice Pictures. I think there is a market for those Wheel arch extensions, if you want. I could cetainly do witha set. How do they attatch? Cheers, Jacques. Quote Nobody does it better - than Lotus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulob1 Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 the splitter, is that a special made one or something we can purchase...definitely need one of them as mine is gone and no one seems to make original spec ones... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDangerUS Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Even the tiniest little things add up to something big! Remember "death by 1000 paper cuts"? Quote MrDangerUS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red vtec Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Dave, It has to be said you have an awesome "bit of kit", the work you have undertaken and the proper understanding of how things work, rather than just bolting bits on is a real credit to you. Your car is the best looking Esprit I have ever seen, the fit and finish is far beyond factory finish. And the performance is something most of us dream of. A true inspiration for all of us Esprit heads. Chris 2 Quote Amateurs built the Ark Professionals built the Titanic "I haven't ridden in cars pulled by cows before" "Bullocks, Mr.Belcher" "No, I haven't, honestly" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leedibnah Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 but you also mean head flow smoothing, so blue printing the head would assist power...the std engine I understand wont take much more than 350BHP without some physical mods...seems odd to me that but can only listen to what I am told by the likes of PUK...I am certainly going to install their 350 bhp chip stage 6 ready for a complete engine rebuild and tune up...maybe? all depending upon whether I can get the chassis and the brakes up to scratch.. with the engine mods how have you found the other items, brakes and handling... I Have PUK chip 6 fitted and gives great power but only useable in short bursts as the higher boost gets the air too hot and the boost then drops away, and thats with lots of mods to charge cooler and intake. The only way to cure it is to go bigger on the turbo, which is why I am now running the same hybrid as Dave. I can now run 1.0 bar boost rather than the 1.2 that chip 6 gives and still get more power whilst maintaining a steady charge temperature....it`s going on the dyno soon and I`ll let you know the results! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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