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And finally we had to ask him about the Lotus partnership with Swizz Beatz. “It’s because it’s not meant for this part of the world, it’s meant for the US,” Bahar said unapologetically. “What our tie-up with him has done in three to four months is incredible. Our products are in many music videos, we have designed five really, really very good looking chrome coloured cars and we’ve sold five of them for a silly price, and all through him. It’s a different world.”

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Would you want to be someone who bought one and hear the CEO say we sold them for a silly price?

If those sales turn into more (and let's face it, at that current rate, you're only talking 20 cars in a year) then good on them. I don't understand why they use the word design though. The car has already been designed.

This is all just trimming isn't it?

What has he done marketing wise? Doesn't that title imply advertisement direction etc? Maybe this is all good for Lotus and maybe a lot of us are just out of touch with a lot of things.

Now I'm off to listen to some Burt Bacharach...

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I think they mean that Swizz gives them access to the Music scene particuly rap, and hence poping up in videos tv shows etc, I really do not know if this is correct for Lotus, I blow hot and cold with it, I can sort of see the idea behind it, but not sure if its the right market (I have nothing agaist rap, just wonder if a group of teenagers are going to buy a sportscar)

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Dany Bahar is quoted sayin that Swizzle Stick is responsable for the total sale of 5 GTE cars in the US... It's too bad the GTE is not road legal in the US...

Here is a quote from Dany Bahar at a Lotus Pistonheads lunch....

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topi ... &mid=68393

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Look up 3 posts dude.

Lotus have sold a few 2-Elevens in the USA, they aren't road legal either!

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And he's proud to say they were "sold at a silly price" to these fools that bought a street car that can't be driven on the street...Yeah the 12 211's in the US have put Lotus in the black.... Come on dude this is a joke.

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Another Dany Baharism. Boast about ripping off customers.

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Another Dany Baharism. Boast about ripping off customers.

Or you could read that as 'people paid more than the list price to be one of the select few owners'?

Don't people pay a silly premium on Ferrari's and such like to be the first? Not saying that i empathise with Mr Keys, but its a pretty looking vehicle, i don't give a flying f**k about the chrome colour, in fact, one thing i would do is remove the SB Edition badges.

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I never said the GTE was a bad design, fact is I said all Evora should look like that at the current price and then they might just sell a few..... It's the bull shiet Swizzle sayin he designed the car when in fact all he did for his homeies was pick out a few colors and got it in his old lady's video...woop de fuckin doo.

But when the big guy comes right out sayin he ripped off the Swizzle Stick crew is a freakin joke.... There are so many other cars to choose from in the range this Lotus is going and I know I won't be the fool to pay a silly price for bling.

Bahar is counting on every American buyer to be a fool..... Lotus is now a non starter in my next purchase..

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So you've said several times.

I'm no fan of this Swizzy stuff either as you can probably tell from my posts but in the big scheme of things is bothers me no more than giving me something to laugh at and take the pee out off.

Realise that the companies market is varied, that people who can run the company are running it and get over it. Why so get heet up over someting that really doesn't matter?

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I just don't get this celebrity endorsement thing. I refuse to believe that the 25,000 orders JLR received for the Evoque before it was even launched had anything to do with Victoria Beckham. Surely its just about the car?

Then again, maybe they would have had 30,000 pre-launch of she hadn't unsure.png

Having said that, if I was in the market for an Elise/Exige I would definitely have gone for the Roger Becker editionunworthy.gif

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So you've said several times.

I'm no fan of this Swizzy stuff either as you can probably tell from my posts but in the big scheme of things is bothers me no more than giving me something to laugh at and take the pee out off.

Realise that the companies market is varied, that people who can run the company are running it and get over it. Why so get heet up over someting that really doesn't matter?

Bibs you are right.

No sweat off my brow, it's just the internet and the fact that we can see what fools we are played for by the suits that run things....

I won't buy another Lotus and I doubt there are many here that would buy any of the over priced bling to come out of the New Lotus, as a matter of fact the traffic was so slow at the Lotus booth I doubt if Lotus will be around much longer here in the US, here in LA their largest market in the US the two Lotus dealers don't even have a Lotus sign hangin outside to tell people they are a Lotus dealer, now add two more years of that and Lotus are a distant memory....Silly prices for road cars that can't be driven on the road is the joke this management has become. To look at their Largest market as a bunch of fools makes them the fool..

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Swizz is definitely not my style Guru but for some I guess he is. Personally I liked the look of the Launch edition Evora best with the new improvements on power and comfort, there is a lot to choose from which is a new thing in it's self for Lotus.

I want to like it and I do like the 124 a lot, but I realise now that trying to pick the Evora as my next car or even one to save for in future just isn't going to happen. It just doesn't have the wow factor for me and I need that to commit that sort of money, I doubt any of the new cars will be on my list, as none of them do it for me (except the Elite, which is way beyond my means).

Obviously for some the Evora is it, as I have seen quite a few on the road recently, a lot more than Exiges (of any age) and getting more common seeing them, which suggests they are selling and they are for a different market, a market that want to drive the car regularly, not keep it as a toy and that is the market I'm in, I was never in the Elise Exige market which is why I stuck with the Elan M100, despite it being old and entering that difficult age of higher maintenance vs poor parts supply, I chose it over the Elise I had at the same time.

The conclusion is that the Evora is not the product for me and should I be looking for a brand new car in the near future I think it will probably be the Jaguar CX16 (if it makes production), because there is nothing close to it as a package at that price. I'd rather go to the used market if not the Jag then it will be Aston, Masserati, XK or my faveourite: the Esprit final edition or Sport 350. The tradgedy with Lotus is the break from 1995 to today of a new desireable product for everyday use and the Evora should fill that gap, it's just not good looking enough for me, the Elan and Esprit are beautiful and that I feel is where Lotus has gone wrong with the Evora.

Even if I feel it when I eventually drive one, I just can't see £50k in that car.

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To look at their Largest market as a bunch of fools makes them the fool..

Hmm

Got any figures to back that up? I think you will find the USA isn't the centre of everything. The largest market currently is China to the extent that Rover and JLR have been in discussions with Birmingham airport about putting on direct flights to China in order to aid business. They had a big PR event at the airport.

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Would you want to be someone who bought one and hear the CEO say we sold them for a silly price?

I don't think "those people" would particularly care...actually I think they may well enjoy the fact the MD said that.

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Only just seen this as was lifestyling in Italy in August and only have one comment

Product placement sells product, if you can get your product out in the public eye then people will buy it. If teamingup with rapper who can provide video opportunities for the cars then thats good publicity. Think Bond!! Colin chapman actually had some of the maddest marketing ideas out there!!!

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Hmm

Got any figures to back that up? I think you will find the USA isn't the centre of everything. The largest market currently is China to the extent that Rover and JLR have been in discussions with Birmingham airport about putting on direct flights to China in order to aid business. They had a big PR event at the airport.

Just ask anyone at Lotus where the most cars were sold up until this year and then ask them where the bulk of the unsold Evoras were shipped from.... You do know they are not baged Lotus in China right ?

Shipping a few cars via air for display in China is nothing to sing about .....

Those Lotus I spoke about are on the "slow boat to China"...

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Who cares?

Lotus sold an armful of their most expensive ever car to China, it was the bigger ever transaction in a single go they've ever done, cash too!

Ask anyone at Lotus if they give a toss and they'll just be happy they sold a tonne of cars!!

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That sale was to the distributor, logistically and lead time wise it was not that bigger order. The challenge is to get them through the dealerships and into private ownership.

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Why?

Lotus don't sell cars directly, they sell them to dealers. Dealers dont buy cars, especially not 120+ if they dont have customers lined up.

£10m worth of Lotus, not that big an order :lol:

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No it's not that bigger an order, and untill a second order is placed, bearing in mind lead times and volumes, one must asume that not all "120+" are yet sold.

The second order is the interesting one since it will likely be replenishment of those sold. Then you have time and volume, and start to get a feel for actuals and the success of the project.

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Bibs is gettin a little defensive I guess after having a free ride for a while.... The sad thing is once those cars sit for a while in China where do they go next North Korea.....?

These will be the highest mileage new Lotus on the market..

Has anyone looked into a clutch replacement for an Evora yet ? I think the cost of out of warrantee labor will make a few eyes water....

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I'll treat your comment with the contempt it warrants. To suggest I don't have my own opinion doesn't go down well, not a pleasant thing to say and untrue.

And yes, Evora clutch change times aren't a revelation, you've seen the price of tyres too, right? What's that got to do with this thread though or just another random slur thrown in the mix?

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