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Dany: "I bet we could sell some cars if we put a dealership in one of the richest cities in the Middle East, playground of the middle east rich, second only to Dubai in terms of visitor spending'

Other bloke in pub: "Nah, I think we should put one some small town in the middle of nowhere - this is how we've always done it".

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Public sentiment does not weigh heavily in DB's favour does it?

A question I have asked several times, but it does not seem to have an answer, is has Mr. Beatz been given his marching orders as well? Was he even still involved?

Are the rest of the people that were put in place by DB destined to stay?


All we know is that when they stop making this, we will be properly, properly sad.Jeremy Clarkson on the Esprit.

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Public sentiment it seems is very fickle, I'm sure at least one or two folks around here were actually excited by the new range of models! I'm sitting on the fence ( again! ) waiting to see who stays and who else is damned to the pit of eternal fire that awaits for ex Lotus employees. My gut feeling is 'new broom, clean sweep' but I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

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Public sentiment does not weigh heavily in DB's favour does it?

A question I have asked several times, but it does not seem to have an answer, is has Mr. Beatz been given his marching orders as well? Was he even still involved?

Are the rest of the people that were put in place by DB destined to stay?

I don't mind admitting i was a (big) fan of DB; apart from whatever the new owners got rid of DB for & the swizz beatz connection, and i suppose untill the truth (from both sides) comes out helicopters/houses etc or whatever else it was;

DB put Lotus back on the world stage, not probably the right way but effective all the same


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Dany: "Hell yeah. Some guy in New York has been selling 'em like hotcakes, and all he had to do was appropriate some improbably named restaurant in some Texas backwater claiming to be the center of the Universe. Claims he's sold a million of 'em to date."

Actually it was 1M in the Texas Hill Country alone. We've also moved over 12M to Malaysia and one more to Kent.

Now then, regarding this new COO, Mr. Aslam Farikullah:

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I had the pleasure of attending a wine-tasting with him recently in Westminster and he confided that he's not actually Malaysian, but born and raised in Cornwall, hence the George Hamilton-like tan. Palms trees and all that. His language also gave him away, upon sampling a '34 claret:

"Capital...capital. No sign of brown...hangs well on the glass. [sip, spit.] AMBROSIA!!!"

I asked if it might be a shower short of perfection and a touch too astringent, with the alcohol content being too great. This caused his monocle to fall out and, having misheard me due to being pissed, replied, "Twenty eight?! That was a great year!"

I noted that was Felstead's Derby year--one it eight to one--SUPERLATIVE!--to which he replied in impeccably crusty Britishness, "Indeed...28! I put a hog's head down for Jeremy when he was born, for his 21st. But the brigade turned him down and he went straight in to the church. Had to drink it all myself, eh what?"

So lest you wonder how British Mr. Aslam Farikullah is, he's positively marinated in Britishness.

What disturbs me is that the the press release says "Mr. Aslam, aged 51, has over 26 years working experience, most of which was in the automotive industry," but that's all rather vague and I take it to mean he's been a parking attendant at Heathrow and is in fact a red-herring for putting Gino in charge, as evidenced by the website update:

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I note the distinct absence of Mr. Aslam on that page. How long does it take to get a headshot and write a pithy bio for f's sake?

So back to Gino, Director of Dany Coat-Taking, I offer the following in support of his new leadership role credentials, with TLF cameos!:

[media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Tb7_ZM2hyo


1983 "Investor's Special Edition" Turbo Esprit (#43/50) | 2012 Evora S

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So the coat boy is in charge now ? He was dany's fluffer. :huh:


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Very well put and I hope it all works out vs turning into Group Rotus

I try to stay unemotional when posting but forgive me, what a load of b****x. Whilst I agree that it appears DB was profligate with the company money in some areas and I never bought into the Hollywood C list chasing, the fact is that under DB's tenure;

  • Group Lotus turnover increased 35%,
  • Three new cars have been unveiled - the Evora GTE, Exige V6 and Elise S - all to rave reviews,
  • New Esprit mules have been out testing since late last year,
  • Significant quality improvements to the Evora have been introduced which have been favourably received,
  • A new trim shop and improved paint shop have been built,
  • New production capacity (for the Esprit) has been commissioned which is currently under construction,
  • Massive improvements to the test track and garage facilities at Hethel have been completed,
  • New dealerships in China and Beirut have been opened,
  • A massive increase in Motorsport activity has been instigated (if spread rather thinly...)
  • A 5 year plan has been developed and implemented, with funding secured,
  • £10m from the Governments Regional Growth Fund has been secured (currently under review)
  • Listened to the market and commissioned a new V8 and transmission for the new Esprit,
  • And has probably done other useful stuff we are not aware of.

As a Lotus fan(atic) to me these are all extremely good things and a sound foundation for the future. I accept the plans were probably overly ambitious and the funding is now looking a little flaky but to say 'the emperor has no clothes' is totally disingenuous. Allied to the big increase in brand awareness, overall I believe DB has done a pretty good job. I think its a real pity that his lack of self control in other areas has forced him out, if indeed this is the reason.

I guess what I am saying is that there needs to be some balance in the reporting of DB's time as CEO. It is totally wrong to suggest that it was all marketing fluff. It will be interesting to see what DRB have made of his plans and how much they retain.


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Do Bibs and Gino look a little similar? ....opppps! I think so! :P


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you and fcuk. Re-arrange them :)


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Do Bibs and Gino look a little similar? ....opppps! I think so! :P

You are absolutely right, the reason I put the comment on that the photograph 'they look a dodgy lot' was because I thought it was Bibs at the front (a bit smarter perhaps). I'll get my coat.

I have not paid a lot of attention to the Bahar debacle as I found that with most of these type of scenarios there's an awful lot of froth and bull flying at the time and time will probably reveal all.

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I don't mind admitting i was a (big) fan of DB; apart from whatever the new owners got rid of DB for & the swizz beatz connection, and i suppose untill the truth (from both sides) comes out helicopters/houses etc or whatever else it was;

DB put Lotus back on the world stage, not probably the right way but effective all the same

Are you on drugs? ;) At which cost has Bahar brought Lotus back on stage? There is 300 million to be paid and there is still not a bloody new car in sight...:( :( :(

The new CEO will never be popular, he is the one who needs to fill the financial holes...

Err.... Is Gino in fact Bibs's Italian cousin?????? :P:D

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Do Bibs and Gino look a little similar? ....opppps! I think so!

Isn't that comment specifically in the TLF rules as grounds for account banishment?

Screw it--I say we make Gino t-shirts instead. Just this photo...

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...with the label "FIREFIGHTER", i.e., his self-described job function. Who's with me? GI-NO, GI-NO, GI-NO!!! Or maybe just NO.


1983 "Investor's Special Edition" Turbo Esprit (#43/50) | 2012 Evora S

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Since they do look alike, maybe we could run some sort of James Bond - like (ala Thunderball) switcheroo, and get Bibs on the Board?


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Count me in the minority also, who thought DB's tenure was mostly positive for many reasons already mentioned above.

My MY11 Evora IPS is faultless: not a rattle or squeak, impeccable build quality, bullet-proof performance and near perfect panel fit and overall finish. I became a Lotus owner during the DB era and actually quite enjoyed own a car from a company whose CEO consistently managed to keep Lotus in the press.

Some people clearly misunderstand what the role of a CEO is - first and foremost to provide leadership and vision and secondly to ensure all the business units under him and working towards profitability in the long term. A CEO should also be a figurehead and have a very high public profile. You can tick the box on that last point for DB.

You certainly cannot do so with the incoming COO; apart from some obscure blurry photos he is anonymous. I sincerely hope there is an active search for a CEO with some industry profile and some spark in them, not a boring corporate suit - we can get that from the VW group anytime we want.

As for this topic, it has deteriorated mostly into self-serving parody and juvenile wit, which is quite boring to read for the most part.

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And with a flourish Mr. Godwin made his presence known...

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I think the fact that Bahar kept Lotus in the press is hardly the point. First, not all press is good press, and it certainly hasn't all been good. More like periods of positive reestablishment punctuated by outrageous embarassments and laughable hucksterism. But more importantly, I think the real question is whether or not most other qualified CEOs could have done more with the same amount of money. Personally, I think that's a yes. Put another way, if you'd parachuted a chimp in to Hethel with that amount of funding they could have increased Lotus's exposure.

Throwing money at merchandising isn't exactly visionary. Neither is rolling out a raft of pie-in-the-sky cars that all look like half-assed Lambos and one of which any moron could have told you had too much overlap with two others. As far as I'm concerned the most creative thing he did with his marketing money was give Evoras to Bibs for the long term test.

Dany was fond of using the phrase "It's all about ______" and filling the blank with endless brand-speak. He told us up front that he wasn't a car guy and that his emphasis was on brand--'scuse me, *BRAND*-- above all else. I'm sure it all must have sounded very sexy to Proton, but forget about Dany--shame on them for drinking the Kool-Aid and not going with someone who brought a more sober and grounded vision. That's part of what I find strangely amusing--that the guys who backed it all then ratted him out.

I said it before and I'll say it again--I think Dany could have been the greatest CMO Lotus could ever want, but not the best CEO they could want. He would have been better supporting a CEO who could take the best of what Dany had to offer and channel it more effectively rather than letting him run amuck.

John, Dany didn't seem to have a sense of humor either. He walked right by me, Tony K, and Gordon eight times in the lobby at Hethel and didn't laugh once. Didn't even compliment me on my clown costume, the dud.


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Somewhere, in an alternative universe, Dany parachuted into a Hethel awash with funds from the sale of countless Loti purchased by rabid enthusiasts participating in a global economic boom that provided full employment and magnificent salaries for all. And in that world he was hailed as a hero. Unfortunately for us, the reality bestowed upon our corner of the multiverse has not enjoyed such favourable conditions of late. I'm not so certain that anyone could have parlayed such an environment into a profitable enterprise until the ballgame was well into the ninth inning. And since the relief pitcher has been ferreted in during the seventh-inning stretch, we will never know if Bahar's "vision" might have ultimately bourn fruit. I think he truly meant well and gave it the good fight, excesses notwithstanding. I do not envy the challenges his replacement will face, as we are a hard group to please at times.


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I think the fact that Bahar kept Lotus in the press is hardly the point. First, not all press is good press, and it certainly hasn't all been good. More like periods of positive reestablishment punctuated by outrageous embarassments and laughable hucksterism. But more importantly, I think the real question is whether or not most other qualified CEOs could have done more with the same amount of money. Personally, I think that's a yes. Put another way, if you'd parachuted a chimp in to Hethel with that amount of funding they could have increased Lotus's exposure.

Throwing money at merchandising isn't exactly visionary. Neither is rolling out a raft of pie-in-the-sky cars that all look like half-assed Lambos and one of which any moron could have told you had too much overlap with two others. As far as I'm concerned the most creative thing he did with his marketing money was give Evoras to Bibs for the long term test.

Dany was fond of using the phrase "It's all about ______" and filling the blank with endless brand-speak. He told us up front that he wasn't a car guy and that his emphasis was on brand--'scuse me, *BRAND*-- above all else. I'm sure it all must have sounded very sexy to Proton, but forget about Dany--shame on them for drinking the Kool-Aid and not going with someone who brought a more sober and grounded vision. That's part of what I find strangely amusing--that the guys who backed it all then ratted him out.

I said it before and I'll say it again--I think Dany could have been the greatest CMO Lotus could ever want, but not the best CEO they could want. He would have been better supporting a CEO who could take the best of what Dany had to offer and channel it more effectively rather than letting him run amuck.

Well put ..."the concise ode to DB"

In addition to this ,DB in hindsight , managed to dupe Proton out of hundreds of millions of pounds .I do not believe another manufacturer would have been fitting of the accolade nor would they have succumbed to the ambush .We have merely followed the black sheep en route to the gravy train's station.

If we are to honestly sit down and work out how effective DB operated the consideration should be given to either the integrity of his MBA or to the testament thereof.Brand....huh...Lotus was already a brand !DB was not and herein we find the toy in our Rice Crispies .

DB was more concerned about DB and Lotus was his vehicle (excuse the pun) for his own marketing.Wander back to how staff were treated vs 5 bob rock stars ,IT WAS ALL ABOUT DB !

His achievements ,truth be told ,are equivalent to my list of "things to do " for a week .

Ask yourself "If you were given all that money ,a good designer and such dedicated staff....what would you have achieved ?"

Lotus were renowned for developing,from scratch ,to production within 18 months.

Oh yes i am oh so over DB and his ball ache !


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we will never know if Bahar's "vision" might have ultimately bourn fruit. I think he truly meant well and gave it the good fight, excesses notwithstanding. I do not envy the challenges his replacement will face, as we are a hard group to please at times.

My concern is whereas Bahar had a vision his replacement has little more than a calculator. :thumbdown:


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Can't all be bad DB has managed to keep this thread with 23pages and counting!

When's Goodwood so we can start another "hot" topic oops wont the Lotus cars being shown be DB's cars?? Good job the "team" at Hethal are still busy producing our cars!


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To quote richardvg:-

Ask yourself "If you were given all that money ,a good designer and such dedicated staff....what would you have achieved ?"

Lotus were renowned for developing,from scratch ,to production within 18 months.

Oh yes i am oh so over DB and his ball ache !

I think you have just about summed it up, I know I only run a small business and at the massive scale of operation that is Lotus things I know get clouded but someone else in authority should have acted sooner.

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