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I really love my V8 Esprit - I go on enough about it!

But, I have a problem. My left ankle, along with most of my limbs was severely damaged in an accident 4 years ago. So operating the clutch is painfull - hence the servo conversion - but it still hurts like hell after a long drive.

Soooo, what do I do? Sell it? What would replace it with the same appeal? With an auto box or flappy paddles? Evora IPS? Not with that degree of depreciation. Porsche, Aston, Jag? No, sorry, but too common. Tried an XKR and a Maser 4200 and OK ish but not that certain je ne sais quois. Ferrari? Oh per-lease!

Perhaps a hand clutch conversion for about £1K.

Any (helpfull) suggestions?

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I'll be watching this with interest as although I currently have no issues, my spine isn't great and is going to get worse leaving me with a choice of not driving a car that will require a lot of use of a heavy clutch or finding a way that the car's clutch gets lighter.

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I am in the over 60 club - saga bombard me all the time, everything from cruises to incontinence pads. Forget it, put up with the pain and enjoy the ride. You are a long time dead, a bit of pain is a small price for a unique ride . Nothing else thrills like an Esprit.

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I'll probably get shot for these comments on a Lotus website but here goes. My former car was a 996 Carrera 2. I know they are common, they are in abundance round here too. However there is a good reason for their commonality. I think you know what I mean. It's a very characterful car. The sound of the flat six when it hits 7000rpm still puts the hairs up on my neck. Because they are designed in Germany they tend to be designed with very tall people in mind and therefore the range of adjustment in the seating and steering is fantastic. Also you can have a flappy paddle. Not my cup of tea but what's the point of going for an enjoyable drive and putting up with pain all the time. You have to enjoy every moment you get. I drove my car daily to work, did the grocery trips, went on long drives to Le mans, crammed it full of Ikea furniture (that raised eyebrows in the car park), did camping trips in it, thrashed it round the Nurburgring etc. etc. It was (very) thrilling, practical, dependable and I soon forgot about its ubiquity. It never missed a beat and I racked up 45k km in 2 years. I sold it in the end because I needed a proper family car and the kms were starting to cause a bit of panic in the depreciation department.

I am looking forward to getting my Lotus on the road because in Germany they are virtually non existent and I always wanted a 70's wedgy affordable supercar. I certainly wouldn't hesitate buying a 911 if I had the chance again common or not though. Also I don't know how much difference it makes for most people but the dealer service is exceptional.

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I'll be watching this with interest as although I currently have no issues, my spine isn't great and is going to get worse leaving me with a choice of not driving a car that will require a lot of use of a heavy clutch or finding a way that the car's clutch gets lighter.

I am in the over 60 club - saga bombard me all the time, everything from cruises to incontinence pads. Forget it, put up with the pain and enjoy the ride. You are a long time dead, a bit of pain is a small price for a unique ride . Nothing else thrills like an Esprit.

Ok, interesting replies!

I have already servoed the clutch for a 40% reduction in effort/. I am going to try a different servo for a 60% reduction. If that doesn't work then I can get a electro hydraulic conversion to operate the clutch from a lever on the gear lever.

Pain? It isn't the pain while driving. I took the car out for a good thrash around the lanes last week - could harly walk for 2 days after. That is the problem. I have very little flexation in my left ankle. I am also going to alter the angle of the pedal a bit too or perhaps make the pedal surface hinged.

It IS funny though parking the car on double yellows and leaving my Blue Badge on the dash!

Evora? I guess in a year or two as the Esprit increases in value and the Evoras continue to nosdive, I should get 2 for the price of the Esprit!!

Keep the suggestions coming.....

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Sorry to hear you're still having problems with your leg/ankle Paul. When I tried your conversion at Brands Hatch I thought it was brilliant and would strongly advise anyone who considers the clutch to be too heavy for their type of driving needs contact you and have it done. What next after an Esprit? Despite having had a Lotus on and off since 1972 I'm still in favour of the 911's and I underdtand the new PDK box is very very good although they are still a bit too expensive at the moment and holding on to the Esprit for a few years may be an idea. I have to say I'm warming to the Evora and the IPS sounds a good option although I did read in an Evo mag somewhere that it still has a way to go but as I've never driven one can't comment.

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I am missing something here? Changing from an Esprit to an Evora S, isn't that twice as much? I can only see ones for over £40K.

Most of the cars on Pauls list is in the teens and twenties, which is similar price to the Esprit.

I am constantly thinking of selling my Esprit for an Evora (or Vantage) but I'd be lucky if I could afford a manual NA at low thirties.

Do you really think our cars are going up in value then? It would be nice to think that and it would certainly help with the cost to change should this be true?

I am coming to the point where I need something more modern. Whilst my Esprit has been reliable, I can't help thinking that with age, things are only starting to fail. Also, I am losing interest a bit but still like the Lotus brand, so a change might be a welcome one.

What about an auto conversion on your Esprit Paul?

It would be nice to see your servo conversion and any other clutch related projects that you might be doing

David

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I think I may have mentioned the Maserati paddle shift at Brands when we spoke but if not here is a re-cap. It is the worst lurching gear change I've ever had the misfortune to try which is a shame as it has a lovely engine

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David.

You are right. Evoras, despite their nose diving depreciation, are still very expensive for what you get. You are also right about wanting something more "modern".

Values? Well, for a laugh, I tried the we buy your car sitye, and they offered £17K! The Club Lotus valuation is £23K. Both more than I paid a year ago. According to Guy Munday, values are on the up, and he has adjusted (great euphamism that) the prices upward in Glasses Guide.

But, it is, the usual only worth what someone is willing to pay.

I did think about an auto conversion - but the only "easy" conversion is a Renault 25 'box. That isn't a nice 'box and wouldn't be strong enough.

We will see how the clutch conversions go......

I think I may have mentioned the Maserati paddle shift at Brands when we spoke but if not here is a re-cap. It is the worst lurching gear change I've ever had the misfortune to try which is a shame as it has a lovely engine

I have driven a few Maseratis with the flappy paddles and found the change very good. The later software is a lot better and you need to lift slightly on up shifts. That was ok for me. But I found the car a bit uninvolving. Same with the XKR

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Hi Paul,

I wonder if anyone has ever tried the R25 Auto box to see what sort or power and torque it would take? These must be cheap as chips to buy?

Maserati servicing would be very steep if main dealer. Not sure how many independants there are? Porsche might be easier route. Nissan GTR for silly power and semi-auto as a wild card? Not everyone's cup of tea but will leave just about every other car standing.

On a side note, my V8 is a very low mileage 35K, 99MY with the full 2002 conversion, FLSH and full engine rebuild by Lotus at 21K (cost £10.5K) in excellent condition. In your opinion, what would you pitch this at in a private sale?

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With regards to the value of your car David I can only go by my recent experience on Pistonheads.

I put mine up for £22K it's a late 2001 with AP brakes, round rear lights, all the big things done new cam belt etc 62K miles. I had three people beating a path to my door and did sell it easily I did change my mind and keep the Esprit because I just couldn't find a car at twice the price that I liked as much

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The F1 box is dire and I don't know many people who enjoy the ride and handling of the 360.

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I tried a blue 360 F1 modena a while back wasn't that impressed and I am of the opinion that Ferrari servicing is not something I'm prepared to pay for. In my testing and trying cars over the past 2-3 years the best paddleshift experience I had was in the SL55 AMG not only did it sound better than any car I've tried since. Trouble was as careful as I was warming the AMG up it recorded no more than 12 mpg then when you press the pedal that lovely sound accompanies 8 MPG nice!

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Oh dear. Paddle shift blues.......

I have driven enough Maseratis to kmow how to get on with the paddle shift. The latest software works very well. Good enough for

VB-H and good enough for me.

I do wonder how many critics of the F1 system have actually driven one for any length of time - or are just re-gurgitating the word according to Clarkson

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Although I didn't bother trying a later one a guy at my local Pistonheads lot has recently bought a 430 and says it's miles better than his old 360. Does anyone actually ever take any notice of Clarkson? since his remote controlled demolition of an Alpine A610 I no longer listen to anything he has to say and in fact in a pedantic fueled mindset I'd take the opposite opinion of everything he says.

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How about approaching this from the ankle POV?

Has everything possible been done to help your ankle?

Fusions and replacements are not what they used to be you know. Where are you up to with that?

Have you tried bracing the joint so as to stress it less? Obviously, I dont know in what way your ankle/subtalar movements are affected but this could be an avenue to keep your V8 if that is your prime desire.

Have you seen a foot and ankle specialist recently?

Just enquiring from an ortho POV!!

"Intellectuals solve problems; geniuses prevent them." Albert Einstein

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How about approaching this from the ankle POV?

Has everything possible been done to help your ankle?

Fusions and replacements are not what they used to be you know. Where are you up to with that?

Have you tried bracing the joint so as to stress it less? Obviously, I dont know in what way your ankle/subtalar movements are affected but this could be an avenue to keep your V8 if that is your prime desire.

Have you seen a foot and ankle specialist recently?

Just enquiring from an ortho POV!!

Thanks.

I am lucky to have a left foot at all. My talus and metercarpals were all busted and the ends of the tib and fib. There are about 10 screws on my ankle / foot and a plate. I am looking at possibly getting some of the metalwork removed next year -trying to keep to "only" 1-2 operations a year these days! I spoke with a friend of mine who is a petrolhead and ortho consultant and he thinks there might be some room for improvement. Oh my patrner is an ortho sister, so that helps a bit!

Looking at the car today, because of the lack of flexation being the main problem, I may try making the clutch pedal pad hinged so that I don't have to flex my ankle whilst pushing the pedal down. Anyone got a spare clutch pedal?

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Quite right - a hinged pedal would allow a stiffer ankle. This is about ankle rockers , or the lack of them.

Problem is that the pedal would have to hinge preferentially towards the strut, ie where there in not much room, so there would need to be a little extension to allow the rocker there. But probably not too much.

How about mocking up a hinged pedal on a simple screw-on plate to the existing pedal, as an experiment? Could complete the task in an hour or two one would think.

Could at least extend the life of the current car somewhat.

Keen to find a solution here!

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As an experiment, why not try this.

Hinge the pedal cover on the existing pedal. You need the fulcrum to be quite high to allow the required swing.

Glue a dowel to the top underside of the cover and just place it on the original. Some putty or playdough on the pedalis a good anchor!!!

Have a feel of how this affects the movement. Experiment. You could then of course try something more fixed, but this may save you some degree of hassle.

Lego is also a great tool for experimentation.

Thats where I would begin!

"Intellectuals solve problems; geniuses prevent them." Albert Einstein

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a simple thing would be to add an electro-hydraulic slave actuator on the V8 box.. as by the looks of it you will find some space there on the rear..

..fit an button onto the gearlever knob and that's it.

The way of 'semi automatic' H-pattern boxes is basically an old and common way to do those things. http://www.fte.de/produkte/komponenten-fuer-getriebe-und-antriebsstrang/hydrostatischer-aktuator-cpx-einheit/nutzfahrzeugkomponenten.html

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