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If I chose to own an Esprit road car then I'd very likely go G (early turbo, Essex or run-out G turbo) as it's a purer shape and some of the design details are jst great. However I agree Stevens get's a rough shot and the re-design worked for the era and I recall as a kid remembering what an improvement they had made, for in the 80's G cars were seen as simply dated and wedgey. It was a bit like the soft edged tasmin TVR revamp - 400,420 etc where they flares the sills etc. Not nealry as convincing now but made a lot of sense at the time.

I'd also say the design was as successful (if not more) than the Countach-Diablo metamorphosis. Taking very pure wedges into the 90s/90s was not an easy task for any designer. I mean look what Porsche did to the poor 911 to make the 959 (a car I h8 and love in equal measures).. And the Sport300 remains one of my favourite looking Esprits.

Great points made by Wayne and Ben above.


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IMO Giugiaro is the greatest car Designer there has ever been, followed closely by Gandini. What Giugiaro did with Maserati / Detomaso / Bizzarrini in the 60's is legendary. His "Domesticated" M70 Esprit concept IMO was jaw droppingly amazing. For me the Esprit S2 is the best looking Esprit.

Design is always subjective though and I think the Stevens design should be looked at by it's place in time. By the mid 80's the G cars was looking a bit tired. It

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I think Mark makes much the same point I was about to - that in all fairness, the 80's wedge was about to suffer masively for the impending anti-80's backlash and it did indeed need a restyle to maintain its marketability.

I also have to agree that the Stevens cars do look more 'finished' as a complete item and the G-Car Turbo is the closest of all the early wedges to looking like a 'finished' non-kit-ty car. I love the earlier cars but like the earliest Countach, for me, they suffer hugely from looking like 70's spaceships, hovering around on their wheels! The rounded sides really accent the flying saucer effect (imho) :( It's the Turbo bodykit, just like the 25th Anniversary that makes them look the part... like a proper FAST road car - hunkered down onto the road, with the appropriate 'tupperwear' designed to keep all the air out from under the car...

When I bought mine I had never even seen a Stevens car in the flesh... (I didn't even know they existed until I started looking for mine - that's how un-car-au-fait I was! :blush: )

The first time I saw one was actually the very day I bought mine and was having it trailered back to Geoff's at Esprit Engineering... he opened his shutters and there were two - a red one and a pearl white.

I couldn't help myself from saying "Wow it look like a Ferrari" (since as a complete layman at that point, that was my only point of reference!)

I then spent time wondering if I had bought the right car! :(:o

However... over time my feelings have completely confirmed my original decision - I really like the later cars, Stevens and Thompson (like they're different?! :P:lol: ) a well looked after one, with the right appendages (wheels / wing) can look as modern and new as anything on the road today... but they just don't evoke the same emotional response in me as my true wedge! :)

I agree with Wayne that they won't ever be heralded as a masterpiece of innovative design or trailblazing (as indeed at this point they were following a trend not setting one) but that's fine - the ground had been broken by the S1 :)


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We can always depend on Good old Wayne to back us up :blush:

To be Honest, when i first saw the Esprit, i didnt care much about the older G-cars really. i was more into the v8 Carr Design; howerver, over time and with people posting up G-cars, i started to fall for teh G-cars. i guess that everytime i look at it, it looks so fierce and sharp compare to the smooth soft edges fo the latter.

But the dry sump does sund interesting! :lol:

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Thanks for that Mark - mostly a very good article :o Yes, the first few paragraphs pretty much take the same view I do :) (shame about the UKSC connection :( )

The first paragraph sums it all up nicely...

"History will probably judge the original Ital Design Esprit, current for 13 years, to be visually the most enduring mid-engined Lotus. It is bolder, sharper and somehow more authentic than Peter Stevens' revised, soft-edged late 80s version. Hindsight and perspective are beginning to play that cruel trick of making the older car seem younger and fresher."

I was parked up one afternoon behind BN's GT3 (back when it still looked like a GT3! :lol: ) and there were a couple of guys asking my GF about them... they thought that MINE was the new one! Mostly, I imagine, because the styling is now so unique and exceptional in the 'modern' world.

"That supple leather gives the interior a fairly upmarket flavour, slightly under-mined by the inevitable Morris Marina door handles."

:blush::):P

"Lots of fiddly separate keys for doors, ignition and boot still give it that '70s specialist car feel too. "

Boot? didn't he spot the large lever sitting beside the seat?! :(

"If its '70s progenitor seems to come from the cheesy world of tinfoil catsuits and early digital watches - it could have been knocked-up as a prop for an episode of UFO - then its late '80s successor suffers because it's harder to find a cultural hook to hang it from. That doesn't mean it's not a great car though."

Hahaha - it looks like he even has the same 'flying saucer' vibe about them I do!


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I won't quote everyone, but some very valuable points of view expressed on both sides.

I will add that i think this is really an argument over evolution of essentially the same design.

If the 'Stevens' version were to be designed today rather than in 1987, I think it would look more like the Gallardo/Murciellago than the Stevens as we have come to know it. Style is a victim of fashion which is distinct to period.

The G-car may stun people more today than 15 years ago, but that isn't necessarily a statement that it is better. It has a lot to do with how rare it is too... I have been in a G-car enough times to see people look at it and think it is something else (<cough> De Lorean <end cough>). The same way I have had my Esprit called a Lamborghini at one moment, Ferrari the next. Few people know what a Lotus is.

My point I think is that in 10-15 years from now, my car may be the one that gets the applause if the new Esprit seems mundane to the fashions to come...

I think as i indicated before, the proof is that both the Guigiaro and the Stevens were both instant hits when they were launched. They are both pretty damn wicked :blush:

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Only cos it's silver ya f---er :blush: If Id' bought any other colour no one would be calling it a f-in' DeLorean :lol:

I get Lambo quite a lot too - cos nobody has ever seen a Countach in real life either!

So often I've had people walk out into the road in front of me (while stationary thankfully! :) ) to Read what the nosebadge says!

Ohhhh... the potential for mischief and mirth! :o


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Only cos it's silver ya f---er :blush: If Id' bought any other colour no one would be calling it a f-in' DeLorean :lol:

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I only put that in cos I knew you'd bite... :o

Personally I think it's a compliment... :)

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I have been in a G-car enough times to see people look at it and think it is something else (<cough> De Lorean <end cough>).

More like the Delorean looks like our cars...

I get that a lot for mine too due to the silver so i understand where ur coming from fish...

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I bought My G-car because the reports said it had the best handling. They also said that the Stevens car handling was like the styling, not so sharp.

However, since being on this forum I have got to like the Stevens cars and knowing he did it on a 2p budget, I think he did a great job.

Any way, what do you want to do? Look at your cars or drive 'em?


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More like the Delorean looks like our cars...

I get that a lot for mine too due to the silver so i understand where ur coming from fish...

Shah

Given the sensitivity:

The De Lorean thing was a joke, anyone sane can see they look nothing alike, silver or not.

Second, I'd fit a flux capacitor to mine if I could. :blush:

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Given the sensitivity:

The De Lorean thing was a joke, anyone sane can see they look nothing alike, silver or not.

Second, I'd fit a flux capacitor to mine if I could. :blush:

haha yeah i dont mind. i happen to like the delorean. but i have a thing for rare and unique cars so its right up my alley...

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I wouldn't mind if it actually WAS a Delorean!

Saying Lotus in six different places is obviously not enough for the great unwashed! :D


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I think this article sums up your view Fishy: Classic & Sports Car - Stevens

I think for me the Stevens is more exotic - "A Ferrari beater."

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Funny you should post those pictures Mark, I dont like Pininfarinas restyle job on the 308(328) either! :D

Isnt the Turbo G car the original Ferrari beater? :(

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As for the Delorean, I dont mind the styling on it one bit. :(

Didnt that Giugiaro bloke have something to do with it? :(:P:(

I always liked the tailight design especially. Would have been nice if Lotus would have streched to have some purpose built units for our cars. :(

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hehe... I thought they ruined it with the 328 too, I actually think the 308 is the purdiest damn 'rarri ever :D

Esprit looks more macho though B)

Wow, that's a nice pic...

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Isnt the Turbo G car the original Ferrari beater? :D

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Yea, it was the original and was in all the mags at the time, but I still like this comparison of the X180 against the 328 :) . The 328 had slower acceleration, was more expensive and didn

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I loved that article with the 308 VS GTurbo; that magazine gets dragged out periodically to re-read and remind me of the first time Lotus really whooped Ferrari. My mate has a 308 GTS, verrrrry pretty but surprisingly heavy, and even allowing for age I can't believe it would ever have matched the Esprit for point-to-point.

Some people have said there is an anti-Ferrari thing going on with this forum, but I think it's far more of a good natured ribbing, as they do occasionally produce a superb car. The only thing that ever gets me is the total lack of imagination when it comes to colour choice which is why I would give my left nut to own this puppy and turn up to a FOC meeting......

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Some people have said there is an anti-Ferrari thing going on with this forum, but I think it's far more of a good natured ribbing, as they do occasionally produce a superb car. The only thing that ever gets me is the total lack of imagination when it comes to colour choice which is why I would give my left nut to own this puppy and turn up to a FOC meeting......

Used to think the 308 GTB was the coolest car. My Cousin used to have a Ferrari 400 back in the 70

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Staged my own version of the Esprit VS Ferrari pic yesterday :D

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I must admit, I have always loved Ferraris. :P

As a boy, I would patiently wait for the doorman at Colmore Ferrari to go for a p*ss , and I would sneak in and scrutinise them from every angle. Became quite friendly with the youngest salesman there and remember him being excited about selling John Bonham his Dino(the guys first commision!) :)

Was lucky enough to drive racing engine builder Jim Whitehouses Daytona when I was 18, (it was the car that was used by David Bache of Rover to come up with the styling theme of the SD1)

My best friend (now deceased )had a 1982 308 GTS, and I was lucky enough to get to drive it a fair bit in the early/mid 90s, a lovely car (but sadly lacking power in federal form). It was very relyable, and apart from the water pump leaking , I cant remember having any real problems with it.

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Sadly, Im not that enamoured with the newer models, they just arent my bag.The 550 Marinello is probably the last one I liked the look of.

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Nice duo!


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Dunno about the cars, they are nice, was more interested looking at Waynes Garage!

Are those paints in the background or, heaven forbid :P , Beer cans?

Nice tool kit, few pennies worth of Snap on's there! Wheels, tyres.....ohhh whats under the covering?

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