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I've just saved a lotus eclat fro the scrap, and believe me it was nearly there. Aparantly the gentleman that first had it sadly passed away, and he was in the proses of restoring it. He had completely gutted the car inside to get all the interior refurbed. When he passed no one knew where they had been sent or where anything else was for the car. Another man had brought it to break. And I managed to pursuade him to sell the whole car. BUT there is no logbook and it had a plate in the boot but apparently they don't come up on the data base and it has got the vin plate under the bonnet but I was wondering if anyone could tell me abit more about the vehicle or was in the kent area to be able to have a proper look. Thanks all!! Oh and it has got a big "s" down the side panel if that means a lot to anyone? And I've tryed to upload photos bit saying there to big?

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Dale - free to a good home  , hopefully they will get you off to a good start. There's an interior set on ebay too, not in great condition though   For other spares check out ebay seller lotuselan

Thank you I'll have a look now!

Looks like an eclat 521 Sprint - which is quite a rare car.   There is an "S" at the top of the B Pillar on that picture which denotes your car as a rare Sprint. I suspect it has been resprayed and

Hi Dale,

welcome to TLF! and well done for saving my personal fav lotus.

 

The S down the side panel is non standard, but the "S" nomenclature on the badge plaque can indicate its an eclat sprint.

 

Easiest way to id an eclat is to look on the badge plaque at the top of the B pillar behind the door. On an eclat, it will say one of 6 things.

 

If it says "S" you have a sprint

If it says"World Champion Car Constructors" you have an eclat series 2

If its a series 1 thats not a sprint, it will say a number between 520 and 524

 

I can also tell when it is made from the engine number if you want.

 

post pics!

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Where in Kent are you Dale?

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Thank you I've never owned one before. But it just looked so unique and I want the pleasure of restoring it. The engine number is "s0420/12" I think? And I can't see the numbers behind the b pillar? Where esactly should I be looking ? Many thanks and as for the pics it won't let me upload them?

I'm in orpington mate

Sorry this is what it says on the vin plate

Unit no-76/080265d

Lat unit no- type76

Engine-dc776071293

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Dale

 

Welcome to TLF.

 

In regards to the photo's, do you have a photo online storage account? They are free and very simple. Go to Sign up then Just upload a photo to it, then click in the IMG link, copy it and paste the link here!

 

http://photobucket.com/browse

 

Like this:

 

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Visit the forum info & help section and there's a huge instruction manual on posting images to the forum. 

 

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Looks like an eclat 521 Sprint - which is quite a rare car.

 

There is an "S" at the top of the B Pillar on that picture which denotes your car as a rare Sprint. I suspect it has been resprayed and would originally have been white with a black offset stripe running over the centre of the car and a black bootlid.

 

The reason i think it is a rare 521 sprint is because your car has GKN alloys. If it is a 521 it will have a 5 speed box, if it is a 520 sprint to which someone has changed the hubs and alloys it'll be a slick and strong ford sourced 4 speed box.

 

Most likely to be a 521 sprint in my opinion. I believe it may even be the rarest eclat spec - but not worth anymore than the others I'm afraid.

 

The engine is a Domestic (spec 5) 2 litre Lotus 907 twin cam, running twin 45 DHLA's, and making 160bhp when healthy and 140 lbft. it was made in July 1976 with serial number 1293.

 

The eclat was initially meant to be an economy version of the elite, and was to be a cheaper, lighter more sporty car. However Lotus got this marketing angle wrong, and the eclats that sold were the models that were more expensive to produce, with the 5 speed gearbox or the optional BW auto. The base model eclat (520) saved production costs by using a 4 speed ford sourced box, ford sourced hubs and brake calipers, smaller diameter discs (GT6)  and 13 inch 5.5J cortina style steel wheels with no radio etc.

 

The origin of the sprint is conjecture, but Lotus would have you believe that it was the stripped down "clubmans" sporty car. Magazine road test from the 70's in the eclat book back this, suggesting the car was a hoot to drive and drift on its narrower 185 R13 tyres (standard car wears grippier 205/60/14).The unkind would suggest it was a marketing wheeze to clear unsold stocks of the poverty spec eclat 520, by fitting them with wild stripey decals, a black boot and the optional lower ratio final drive, S badging and calling it a Sprint - a ' la dolomite! You could spec a 520 sprint to come with alloys, but it was a dealer fit 5.5J wheel of a type not fitted to other eclat's or elites with a ford pcd.

 

521 sprints are essentially "normal" 521 eclats with a stripe kit and badging from a 520 sprint. The gearbox is the same Lotus cased Austin (beans) 5 speed unit that had seen service in the elan 130/5 and the elite, hubs and uprights were triumph sourced, discs were the larger diameter elite items, calipers were the 3 pots as used in the Jags, and it got a radio. It was to all intents and purposes, a normal 521 with the optional lower final drive, wearing some funky stripey pyjamas.

 

I've seen 3 521 sprints, and I'm aware of 1 that's MOT's and on the road in the hands of a long term owner.

 

Well done for saving it. If you want to add its details to our register, send an email to [email protected] and I will send you a data form to fill in.

 

best wishes

Dunc

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Wow and it's still got it's original wheels. Don't lose those they are ultra rare! Many people swapped them for the later Speedlines like the ones in my picture.

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Wow thank you for all the information you have been a great help! It's nice to know I saved it especially with such a following! The car has no interior, it's missing the carbs and dashboard pretty much all the important stuff! So if anyone knows of any spares or parts I am more than interested! It has got a crack in the drivers side floor and is in pretty bad shape body wise. Enough work to put anyone sane and sensible a million miles in the opposite direction. As for the wheels I got six with the car. Four have been refurbed and two not so much. But honestly it needs pretty much everything! And I'm going to need a lot of advise from you guys, so please feel free to tell me all you know! :D thank you everyone.

ESPECIALLY DUNCAN thank you!!

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really sorry still can't work out photo bucket :( does this bring up the whole album? Because I've uploaded a lot more photos? Thaannkkss

 

[Edit: Dale, you are nearly there. You are copying the URL at the top of the page. If you look at the right hand side of your photobucket picture (when you have just 1 on screen like your link I just changed) there are several "Links to Share Photo". Just go to the bottom one "IMG" left click and it should copy then simply paste on here :)  If it doesn't copy just highlight it and copy paste] 

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Dale. Start up a thread in the Projects section (link below) so everyone can see what you are up to. It's when the Photobucket account really comes into it's own. Also have a look there, you will see some other project cars. Some being restored to original (which I would recommend with yours as it's a rare Sprint) and others being modified.

 

http://www.thelotusforums.com/forums/forum/215-elite-eclat-excel/

 

Now, in regards to parts. The Obi Won of Elite Éclat is the guy below. If you click on the link and then look at his topics (on the left side menu) you will see what he does. He basically breaks and restores Elites and early Éclat's and has lots of the bits you will be looking for (most of the Elite parts are identical/interchangeable) as the Éclat was originally just an Elite with a boot, but cleverly remarketed as a different model. His name is Tocus.

 

http://www.thelotusforums.com/forums/user/10501-tocus/

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I have put a pointer on your post above how to correctly post the image.

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How long is a piece of string. They aren't considered a "Classic" as yet. But I have seen a rare Riviera model up for sale at £12k with a good resto job. Likewise I have seen projects in pieces sell for £600-£1200. It really is how good the job is and finding the right buyer. I'm a total numpty when it comes to technical stuff so I would pay above the odds for a nice car because I don't want to do any work to it!

 

I have seen nice examples (MOT'd and running with maybe a job or 2 to do) for £4k to £6k. But those tend to be standard models not the rarer ones.

 

I'm sure other members have their opinion on this.

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Kicker on these cars is the condition of the chassis. If this is the tango orange sprint that was mentioned on another forum a few years back and came from a lockup in the Norwood/Croydon area, then it was reputed to have a galvanised chassis, which is all important.

 

Values are all over the place, but generally never high for what is a wedge shaped exotic 70's fibreglass car.

 

A galvanised chassis and rarity would give it a fighting chance, but as with all classic cars, condition is the most important item. With regard to missing spares, I'd recommend buying another one for a few hundred quid as a breaker, as parts sourced via second hand specialists can easily add up to more than the acquisition of a spares car, especially when an interior and a set of carbs is required.

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Hi Dale Welcome to the forum. Did you want a Lotus before now or did this one just catch your eye? It's admirable that you have elected to save the car, but from the pictures it looks like you are starting from ground zero

 

You don't say how many restorations you have done (pardon me if you are a closet Edd China!) but there appear to be a lot of question marks over some important parts of this car (cracked shell, unknown engine, unknown chassis, wiring cropped off inside the wing) and some rare and expensive bits missing (carbs, chromework, interior, V5 & identity). There is a monumental hill to climb, however if that is what you are looking forward to more power to you.

 

You mention values in your questions, do you see the 2 tone grey example above that looks like it was made yesterday? That sold at auction for about 3 grand if I recall, possibly less. And it was a rare model (a one off in fact) with a galvanised Excel chassis. That's not much more dosh than a decent respray.

 

Just want to make sure you know what you are getting into and don't get put off Lotus cars quite unfairly. There is a colossal amount of knowledge on this forum, you have come to the right place. Indeed Lotus ownership for many (me included) would have been a nightmare without it.

 

Oh yes, parts cars....they tend to breed on your driveway (ask my missus). The bad thing about parts cars is all these cars tend to suffer very similar problems, so you end up with 3 cars that all need the same expensive parts that probably put them off the road in the first place! The good thing about parts cars is that they often come with a boot full of spares, or occasionally, as happened to me, are about 100% better and 50% cheaper than the car you were going to restore in the first place!I suspect this might happen here.

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Yeah one of the main reasons I got the car was because the guy was in the process of restoring it, and he done a full engine recondition, reconditioned gearbox, galvanised chassis, and refurbed the wheels but he sent the carbs, the seats, and a few other bits off to get repaired but sadly passed away and no one knew in what direction all the parts got sent off in....

I got the car because I really like to be different, and I've never seen someone with one of these before.

I've never done a full restoration before but I'm always working on cars, but I wanted a challenge. I started looking into these cars before I went a brought it, and the parts weren't to expencive for it. I see this forum and saw there was quite a big following.

I also found a licence plate in the back of the car hidden away in the back of the car. Checked it out and it comes up as the vehicle! So a stroke of luck. So I'm going to apply for the logbook today!! :D

The shell is only slightly cracked at the front between the headlights, and on the drivers floorwell.

And I'm more than likely keeping the car in the long run anyway. So I know it's a lot of work, but it's going to be 100% worth it. But as I stated before you guys are gunah be my brain for the whole thing (ill use mine when needed) haha.

Thanks

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I wouldn't mind popping round for a look at some point as Orpington's not that far away (I'm in Purley). Bit tied up for the next few weeks though as going in for a routine op.

 

Happy to bring a yellow eclat round to let you have a look and build up enthusiasm (if I get the ball joints changed and MOT it)

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I tell you what buddy that would reallyyyy make my day if you could! Because I haven't spent much time around these cars I don't know a great deal about them. So all the information I'm getting off people is fantastic! And it would be nice to see one that is complete so I' know what I'm aiming for. Very much appreciated dunc! :)

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Here is the Eclat Sprint colour scheme if you want to look at how it might have looked.

 

http://www.dereliott-conversions.webs.com/Lotus-artwork3.jpg

 

I suspect the above is a 520 as the tyres look super narrow. The other difference with the 520 was the single pipe exhaust.

 

An eclat sprint also featured in a late 70's horror movie:

 

 

Confusingly, Eclats sold in the US were all called "Sprints" even 521-524's, and to complicate things further they got the "special edition" 520/521 sprint as well, which I suppose would have made it a Lotus sprint-sprint in the US?? (I have seen a picture of a 521 sprint in the US which is on google images.

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rear view of an eclat 520 sprint - note the non-standard dealer option alloys and black bootlid.

 

Looks like it has had the twin pipe exhaust fitted as well.

 

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