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I personally think prices will drop a lot more as we Brexit. It doesn't matter unless you have to sell. I have restored two car s now with labour and parts you are looking north of £50k, and that's if

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I have the same experience.....26 years of ownership and 52.000 km on the odo......with my '90 Esprit Turbo SE I have all the invoices since purchase in 1993; total cost of maintenance during all

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10 hours ago, swindon_alan said:

@Escape will have your SE off you. He's serial with them...

I do have a huge liking for the SE! But I'm branching out lately. Only missing something from the current line-up, certainly wouldn't mind a 380 B-).

I have made many mistakes in my life. Buying a multiple Lotus is not one of them.

 

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That is one thing i do love about beetle fans,  plenty of beetles about as we all know, but yet folks seem to save them no matter what the condtion,  I admire the cult following of the die hard beetle fans :respect:

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That's worrying Jacques a mate of mine is popping round tomorrow in his 996 that he picked up today! Won't be showing him this post, he is coming to the festival so it's not all so bad 

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3 hours ago, Jacques said:

  Nice cars and nice iconic shape.

I think you were right until that bit.

How anyone can consider a 911 a nice shape is completely beyond me. Everything about the car is wrong, starting from the basic layout of the car and working up. They started out with an incorrect design with all the weight at the back and trying to make it work ever since. Engineers do not buy Porsches.

Apart from that, every car festival is infested with hundreds of the things. At Silverstone Classic the other day there were acres of them so they have no exclusivity at all. There were 4 Esprits.

I dont understand why people who dont care about what a car looks like or how special it is dont buy something like a Nissan GT-R which is better in every way. 

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Honestly Dan, I think you should. If you're a good friend, do it. His face will turm a bit pale, but that is nothing compared to the bill in the case of an engine self-destruction. If he don't care, allright, so be it. But at least he can make an informed descision.

I can asure you that he wants to have a camera Down those two middle cylinders as well as having a preinspection of the ims. As you pay zero registration tax (160% on top of your cars Price) like in Denmark, sometimes the watercooled 911's mostly 996, but also others, are being neglected. With 176.000 996 cars made, they come dirt cheap.  But they are made dirt cheap, unfortunately. When they do run and fully function, they are nice cars.

The cylinder problems are reacted to from some workshops and specialists, but the only one who actually developed a system that last better is Hartech in the UK. I am not affiliated with them in any way, shape or form. But based on technology, they did something. There are still other inherrent problems in the (watercooled) engines to be solved, but Work is being done on those too.

As with many other cars, there are factors that influence on these conditions. Such as oil quality, oil changes, garage Queens (downtime), racing with oil starvation as a consequence, fresh oil before downtime, or semi-used oil before downtime and so on. Some Companies reshape the coolant channels to get better coolant flow to better the situations for the middle cylinders. Some Work on special extra oil injectors to cool them.

Willy nilly, it's his car. I just want to pass on the info for the sake of helping others.

And stick to Lotus ;)

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Jacques

Nobody does it better - than Lotus ;)

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Genuine truth I will send you a pic tomorrow when he turns up. I can't piss on his day, I did send him a text last night saying had he read about the IMS issue and he said he has. Yep top mate known for 35 years.  He also has always wanted one. It comes with warranty from specialist dealer but I am guessing that will only be 3 Months though. 

Its funny and I told @ChrisJ this story when we went to Top Gear when I first got the Esprit I was driving down a road and thought what the f&:k is that noise. Turned out to be someone using a garden strimmer! Now, do you know I am happy to drive it anywhere and I do. Got back from holiday and 10 mins later went out to buy some sausages in it. It has been restored by Barrie and GST and to be fair the Sparkster said it was a dream to drive and work on. 

 

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Ha ha. Well Andy, personally I agree. There are some ugly angles on the 911 and they look narrow up to a certain my.

But specials like the wtl and for example the dp flatnose turbo are nice, because they have turned the basic shape into something altered for the better.

The engines sounds nice, but are not so nice made. The almost vertical windscreen is another point. and of course the position of the engine.

But they do have their charm. That so many are made, does not in my view automatically make them worse or better, but the hysteria that circles around them are a bit too much, in my humble view. In this regard, you are absolutely right.

For example, last year my ex-911-996 owner friend and I went to Copenhagen Historic Grand Prix, a well known street race for a weekend in beginning of August.

We naturally approached the Porsche stand, and the Porsche Club Denmark stand, or rather large area, and the very minute they found out that I have an Esprit, and my friend had a 996, they stuck their noses high up in the sky, not wanting to speak to us at all. Seriously. it's THAT snobbish. How on Earth they think they have something to keep that snobbishness in, is beyond me. That does not make the 911 better or worse, but the thing is, that I believe that some people do not buy into the sportscar, but into the snobbery, to take part in that. It's just like the fairytale of "The Emperors new Clothes". If poo is promoted enough to be the new black, then people will buy into it. ;(

So, we approached the record holder of Le Mans, Mr. Tom Kristensen, and he took his time to chat, sign a cap for my friend and sign my Lotus Esprit book, as I explained to him, Lotus have had two Esprits in the Le Mans. No snobbery. Just a cheerfull friendly racing driver, WHO happens to be the best in the World these years. That speaks tonnes abut the attitude of some Porsche owners.

In my view Porsche is a lot of people having very few ideas, spending a lot of time and money to correct a basically wrong made streetcar to be great. Lotus is very few people spending very little money but with a lot of great ideas of how to convert a racing car into a true sportscar. The Esprit.

But that doesn't mean that the 911 is not a charming car. I think it is. As is the fiat 500 from the 1960'ies. Ugly, but charming. And the 911 can be a very efficient car in covering distances.

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Jacques

ps: I my add that I don't considder the Nissan GT-R a sportscar. Ultra fast and all, but it's a computergame made for the road by computer geeks. It's made from one idea from a sportscar guy, and then dissected by the army of shareholders and Black ties. Not by die-hard sportscar and racing fanatics, like ... Lotus. That it beats my Esprit in speed any day, is well, sign of time passing by. I have no problem with that. 35 years from now, they are exacltly as ugly and genderless. The Esprit will still be a spaceship that landed on Planet Earth 1'st of November 1972 onwards to 2004.

 

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1 hour ago, Jacques said:

There are some ugly angles on the 911

They are in the range 0 to 360 degrees :)

The engines sound like vacuum cleaners!

The snobbery thing is another Porsche trait. Ferrari owners do not behave in that way.

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@Vanya here you go as promised. What surprised me is it is not that quick, I reckon the BMW on the right which is a 330d with AC suspension would keep up with it on the twisty bits probably wrong but that's what it felt like.  Engine bay is a joke no space whatsoever. Not one rattle though. You can't even see the Esprit in the garage ?low is good IMG_0097.thumb.JPG.0a998bc61ba9a0a4380b462d46c3d84c.JPG

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Mate that drive is coming up, looks like a Tesco car park I hate brick drives,  just before The hideous wall on the left and the shitty cladding stuff, then the UPVC  windows. Potential they call it don't they! 

I will now exit stage right but I would quite like a 928 GTS manual. 

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Good looking car your friend has, Dan. But as an assurance, before driving too much so that a dealer may claim he didn't warm up the car propperly or what ever, have the camera stuck Down on those two middle cylinders, and eventually the IMS bearing looked at. That is a Little bigger longer proces. Peace of mind at least for a while is a good thing. What my is your friends car?

The 996 4S should have a 3,6 bored up from 3,4L displacement and 320 hp. No slouch, but not as fast as the Esprit Turbo SE, by far ;) Guess how I know?

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Jacques

Nobody does it better - than Lotus ;)

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All seems a bit off topic to be fair :)

Caught between a rock and a hard place in a catch 22 situation, So its 6 of one and half a dozen of the other. Your damned if you do, but your damned if you don't so shut your cock!!!!!!!!!!!

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MMMMmmmmmmm ;) I agree.

I prefer Esprits to be affordable, but so should all the others be.

Come on, look at the last Picture of the latest Esprit in production, and tell me it won't sell?

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Jacques

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They command higher prices because the motor press is complicit in brown-nosing Porsche. They are cracking cars: under warranty. Which is I suppose implicit in the recommendations of Chris Harris and others of the same ilk - if you have a brand spanking new Porsche or a fantastic aftermarket warranty, it's gonna be a great car.

But that's like saying any flawed motor is fantastic...when it's working.

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