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I personally think prices will drop a lot more as we Brexit. It doesn't matter unless you have to sell. I have restored two car s now with labour and parts you are looking north of £50k, and that's if

After 16 years of ownership and 10 months on the market, I received the official word today that my '94 S4 has sold and is now with its new owner. Sold for: AUD$74,000 I bought the car in th

I have the same experience.....26 years of ownership and 52.000 km on the odo......with my '90 Esprit Turbo SE I have all the invoices since purchase in 1993; total cost of maintenance during all

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It’s absolutely classic in terms of shape - simply stunning. 

Id have one as an ornament if I could - I know the drive isn’t great - but it’s a classic icon

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Mine limped out of Aldi a week or so ago - I need to replace the kinked pipe on the iac to plenum - it plays havoc with the car for a minute or so when just warm.....

the silhouette of an Esprit is a thing of beauty  

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1 hour ago, Barrykearley said:

The 308 really catches my eye. It’s the last classic Ferrari they made.

Nope, 328 was. Better car all round too.

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The 308 has a beautiful shape, one of the best ever, and to my eyes it's perfect from every angle. Not many cars I would say that about.

But my eye was caught by the 365 BB. Waaay out of my price range, though.

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I've always lusted after the 308 - got to have 16" Speedlines and the Deep front spoiler for me.

My old (sadly missed :cry: ) mate Paul Dewey was featured in this article with his Essex against one - He did say though he had never been so disappointed by a car after the drive.

Buckley loved the Esprit though!

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Comparing the early Turbo Esprit the the 308 of the day, the Lotus is better in many ways.

By that time some of the 308s features were way out of date, such as crappy handbrake, cable-operated windows, heater/aircon which was no good, and it was relatively slow mainly as Ferrari were not as clever as Lotus about complying with emission regs without losing power.

The 328 corrected most of the 308's faults with everything updated. But it still retains the poor chassis of the 308 which is essentially a ladder made of oval welded tubes. Thats the biggest difference in driving, you can feel it twist, especially the GTS targa version. The Esprit feels rock solid. This is easy to see, if I jack up my 328 on one corner you can see the car twist! Not so the Esprit which goes up evenly.

The other big difference is the 328 has race-inspired steering geometry which has almost zero scrub angle. This makes it heavy at low speeds and doesnt turn-in as well. Lotus threw away the race rule-book and the Esprit has masses of scrub radius like a go-kart and as a result has light steering which turns in beautifully. 

 

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Its funny as I remember seeing Ian Ogalvie's Esprit v a 308 in classic & Sports Car.

The Esprit done well on all counts but lost out at the end basically as the journalist said however good the Esprit was it wasn't a Ferrari...oh also the Esprit was too wide for small roads...Like any Lotus wasn't designed for the narrow roads of Norfolk??!!

The article made my blood boil at the time.

Edit: the article above seems to have the last conclusion page missing?

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17 minutes ago, Chillidoggy said:

The door handles are master-class in design, and the absolutely the best feature on a Morris Marina, the rest of which was shite.

But you’ve got a proper one - which uses Isuzu trooper handles 

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Yes that's basically what Martin Buckley said - the Esprit was a better car but the 308 was the one to have - as it was a Fezza........................

Paul was given copies of the magazine photos and had a couple of great canvas's done. I remember he was mega-p*ssed off though by that rear 3/4 shot and the way they did not get the Esprit on even ground! Thats Paul driving the 308........

I know they improved the line with the 328 Andy but spoilt its looks a little IMO (though they're still nice!) Aesthetics play alot in it for me - I've always really liked the 348 and its only recently that that seems to have found positives from the Tifosi. 

BTW Pauls Essex No.17 is the car AutoArt used to model to create the Essex 1/18. He had no contact from them but they used the whitescreen  images taken for a book (Coterie Press IIRC) at Castle Coombe. First we knew about it was when ordered and it came with the No.17 plaque on. 

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Well some stuff went really cheaply. 

Nsx was a steal - a few Ferrari where reasonably priced as well.

the s4 reached £16k plus commission - wonder when that will pop back up for sale

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6 minutes ago, Barrykearley said:

Well some stuff went really cheaply. 

Nsx was a steal - a few Ferrari where reasonably priced as well.

the s4 reached £16k plus commission - wonder when that will pop back up for sale

Down, boy, down.

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8 minutes ago, Chillidoggy said:

Down, boy, down.

I’d have had a bloody rally prep escort in the garage had I gone to that sale. Lucky escape ?

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@Tocus > I just stumbled upon a description of the car you wrote to sell it (:cry:), and you state there are about 150 LHD but actually it's much less than that, because there has been around 100-150 LHD sent to the USA, which are LHD but not the real S4s specification of course, and around 100-150 RHD kept in the UK (and maybe a few sent to Japan, I don't know?). Anyway, unless I am wrong there are (were!) actually as few as around 50-60 real LHD S4s, and that probably includes a few 2L I heard about (mostly sent to Italy?).

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Interesting, thanks! I don't think we have such statistics available here in France!?

(by the way actually I took a little margin earlier but I believe a more accurate repartition was around 150 to the USA, 100 UK, and 50-60 LHD so there are around 30 UK hiding somewhere, or maybe they crashed a few before they all sold!)

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