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Even Zenos!

 
Working with Cosworth et al on a future hybrid drive system. Shouldn't actually be surprised of course, given their outlook.
 
The Zenos Operations Director in the photo actually spells his name "Windle". He is ex-Caterham but previously Tesla, so probably already up to speed with battery aspects. Seeing their approach to high and then higher performance (now an upgrade  kit for the S model), I can imagine one specific benefit of a hybrid installation in a Zenos perhaps being a short term "over boost" type function such on the Fiesta ST.
 
Trevor, re your query above, I see on Twitter that they just recently handed over the 100th customer car.
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It's Top Gear The Grand Tour, they didn't really do much quantifiable reviewing, other than the startling revelation than the Zenos was faster than the Alfa Romeo - which we all know.

You can keep an eye out for my review of the Zenos E10 next year, the kind people at Zenos have agreed to loan me one for a video.

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I'll have a thorough opinion when I've got my hands on one, I haven't sat in one since it was a prototype that didn't even run!

I'm going to approach it as a Caterham alternative, or possibly for someone looking at an Elise that really just wants a track or sunny weather car

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Unfortunately not. I would love to take the Zenos on track and if I can foster a good relationship with the guys there hopefully I might get an invite in future to do so.

Sadly the only people in Norfolk I know who have a track that I can use with ease don't seem keen on me taking their own cars on it, let alone a rival's.

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Snetterton isn't miles away... 

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No and hopefully I may get to do some filming their but to do proper filming you need the track to yourself, even if for a short while. MSV are not easy people to deal with. And the only Lotus I have which will pass their noise tests is probably the Excel!

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My Elise would. Not a fair comparison but it's a car I have access to.

I may ask Caterham in the new year if I can have a car for review but I highly doubt they're going to let me have one for a head to head.

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Which Caterham derivative were you thinking? Assuming Elise Cup?

Have you considered Bedford? They may let you use parts of the track not in use on their corporate days. I've had parts of the track privately for a day when a corporate day was going on elsewhere. 

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Good shout, I might ask them. I would have to look and see what is the fairest comparison cost-wise to the Zenos.

I think I will be getting an E 10 S for review, very possibly the exact same one Clarkson etc... just had. It's probably the most popular in the range as the E10R is faster but £50k+ when specced and that is a fair chunk of money for something without a roof

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On 18/12/2016 at 22:05, Inkyfingers said:

Look forward to that James.

I quite like the look of these but the interior really puts me off. Some people might say that's not the point in a car like this, but even the basic Elise interior looks far superior.

I think the interior works well (ok, probably biased!). The screens are great even in sunlight and the ergonomics are every bit as good as the elise. I don't think it's fair to compare with an elise though as easy to have a nicer interior if you want to add the best part of 200kgs!

I never really liked the 211 interior as it wasn't even tweaked for screenless/roofless driving leaving a lot of exposed areas. 

It has some nice touches... Things like lockable storage, access to battery/fuses/OBD. I can totally recommend the heated carbon seats - comfy even on a long journey and being heated really takes the edge off. I am still using my e10r even now which isn't something I'd have considered with the 211.

Downsides? Well the electronic cut off is infront of the phone holder and it's *very* easy to hit it if you put your phone there. It is quite embarrassing to say the least! I got some small luggage nets and stuck to the central spine and it works much better. 

On 19/12/2016 at 18:26, JayEmm said:

Good shout, I might ask them. I would have to look and see what is the fairest comparison cost-wise to the Zenos.

I think I will be getting an E 10 S for review, very possibly the exact same one Clarkson etc... just had. It's probably the most popular in the range as the E10R is faster but £50k+ when specced and that is a fair chunk of money for something without a roof

I was fortunate to get my E10R finalised before the price increase and ticked a lot of option boxes for considerably under 50k. However I do like that Zenos have a fully supported upgrade path from the E10S to the E10R so you don't lose anything if later on you decide for more.

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I guess the real question the Zenos needs to answer is "Does the car offer a tangible improvement in driving experience, to make the practical trade-offs necessary"

An Elise is a car that COULD be daily driven. I never would, at least not mine, but I know plenty of people who do. However I think the Zenos is nowhere near being able to make that claim with the E10. They did have a coupe and convertible planned though...

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They did have a coupe and convertible planned though...

E11 is the cab and E12 is the coupe iirc. I saw their renderings both late in 2015 and they looked stunning. 

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The E11 is next (the coupe) and looks amazing. People won't be disappointed (and will have doors and windows and a boot).

As any Lotus owner knows, doors and windows are hard to get right. So made sense to prove the chassis tech with the E10 as this was considerably easier (relatively) without having to consider doors. 

The hard part is that whilst the E10 could survive as an IVA approved card the E11 will be (I believe) type approved... whole new level of complexity. 

 

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I guess the real question the Zenos needs to answer is "Does the car offer a tangible improvement in driving experience, to make the practical trade-offs necessary"

An Elise is a car that COULD be daily driven. I never would, at least not mine, but I know plenty of people who do. However I think the Zenos is nowhere near being able to make that claim with the E10. They did have a coupe and convertible planned though...

The E10 is the nearest thing I've driven to the feel of the original 1997 Elise but has many modern tweaks. Brakes feel better and the engine is less likely (fingers crossed) to have issues. All the drive train is lifted from standard Ford parts so no reason to suspect any issues.  

I survived with an Elise as my only car for years - certainly no reason why it can't be used even in the harshest weather. However as good as the E10 is, I agree it's not an all-weather car. You can go out in thunderstorms (I have) and only get "moderately damp" but it's not ideal. And the lockable storage is really only big enough to store the steering wheel. I would say the E10 with a windscreen is best compared with the 340R. 

For sure the E10 isn't an single car proposition but it is so much fun to drive - I don't miss my old 211, s2 190 or other elise cars at all. 

On 19/12/2016 at 18:26, JayEmm said:

Good shout, I might ask them. I would have to look and see what is the fairest comparison cost-wise to the Zenos.

I think I will be getting an E 10 S for review, very possibly the exact same one Clarkson etc... just had. It's probably the most popular in the range as the E10R is faster but £50k+ when specced and that is a fair chunk of money for something without a roof

Worth making sure that it has the revised brake setup which clears up criticism of a "wooden" brake pedal and the short shift. If it's a press car then no doubt it'll have the latest tweeks.

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I'm fairly sure they won't give me a crapper. I did have the offer to drive one in December but they said if I waited until this year I would possibly get something better (I assume they mean an S).

It's a very big thing for me because tiny manufacturer though they may be, it's manufacturer support none-the-less.

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As of this morning Zenos are now in Administration. Such a shame. I thought they had cracked the curse of the small sports car maker. I have no other information at the time.

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Just read a similar thread over at the playground.

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