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and once it's all over Sturgeon will do the same as Scargil did in the 70's,

Sit back and watch from afar, in their nice palaces reaped from the blind faith of their "members," whilst the ones that they pertain to represent wallow in all the sh!t that has been left behind which they have been responsible for creating.

 

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Ah but SNP shit smells of roses and clear blue sunny summer days playing in the hay.

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I had to laugh at her Hypocrisy. She said that the UK was leaving the EU and single market, which was out biggest trading partner and the Scots want to keep free trade with the EU as their most important market.

Now someone really should pick her up on this! Scotlands biggest trade partner is the UK (by more than twice the rest of the word put together). Yet she wants to leave the UK.

Whats the difference?

 

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Susan Boyle's her mum!  Wow. Never knew that....

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It's only drunk in Scotland. Actually msde in England!

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Are people on from Scotland  on here leading us astray or is sturgeon in a dream world. Today on her American tour as queen of scotland she told her audience that voters would prefer the option of independence to the idea of staying part of UK after it left eu and that she will win an independence vote.

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Have lived there for the past 18 months, and talked to quite a few about it. Most think it is not a practical idea, even though they quite like the idea in their heart, and I can understand that. But they don't support independence from a realistic perspective. From the small sample size I have quizzed, she has got no hope. And they export 4 times as much to UK as they do EU, go figure...

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Lived here for 22 years. Half my family Scottish (mother's side) and half English.  My kids are a mix too (daughter born in England, was 1 yr old when we moved here, two sons born in Dundee).

The feeling or view breaks down very firmly in my experience into two camps - both strong in their views but interestingly there are divides even within families.  The nationalists are the noisiest, and even in my family there are parents (in their 70's) who don't say much about the Union as their kids (in their late 30's early 40's) are rampant Nats and they actually "bully" their parents into submission so they keep stum for a quieter life.

Generally, the younger generation thinks the world is theirs and they should go alone and embrace Independence and because they are Scottish it will all be OK.  There is though also a core band of hardy warriors who generally are 55+ who do "hate" the English and blame them for everything. Had the dinner the other week with a load of neighbours, and one of them even blurted out with stoic confidence that the rising cost od energy was all Thatcher's fault!  I mean, FFS, 30 years plus after she was in power it's still all her fault for some!  This view is fuelled by the SNP and Sturgeon's constant diatribe and vitriolic about the "English Tories".  Just about every speech from her mentioned the English Tories and how it is all their fault.

I think the majority, albeit a small majority, are sick to death of the whole independence thing right now.  There is a growing acceptance that Scotland is going backwards not forwards through lack of Government. Did you know that the SNP and the Scottish Government have not passed a bill in Holyrood in over 12 months?  Nothing. Nadder!  Read into that what you will.

I think inevitably we will be forced into Indyref2. The ironic thing is is that it is a minority Scottish Government that will take us there, and one that has a track record of ignoring the votes in Holyrood and just going and doing what it likes. It does not bode well for Scotland as a independent democracy to be honest.

I'd like to think that we will vote again to stay part of the Union. I do however think the question on the ballot paper, to ensure balance, should not be the same as last time and should be "Do you want to see Scotland STAY as part of the United Kingdom? - Yes or No".  This will allow the Unionist's this timje to campaign on the positive YES and the Independenista's to campaign positively around the negative.  I think this will force a more open debate and really hard questions about just what an independent Scotland will look like internally and externally.

Overall. I just think a lot of people in Scotland are tired of standing still and watching this farce just roll on.  And sad to see the country being ripped apart and the sheer hostility and anger being generated.

And instead of blowing tax payers money on vanity trips to California, if Sturgeon was truly determined to stop global warming, she'd shut the fluke up and stop all that useless hot air gushing from her mouth every time she speaks.

 

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Yes, these idiots are peddling a nice message "Scotland is a colony of the British or English state".  I live in Scotland and at some point I am waiting (in trepidation) for the "English Backlash" at numpties like these.

It won't be pleasant. It'll hurt like hell up here.

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Agreed.

It's politics of hate dressed up as Nationalism.

I have no problem with anyone being "proud" of their country. But I do hate Nationalism and in my mind the SNP and the EDL etc are all cut from the same cloth irrespective of how they try to dress themselves up (or not as in the EDL's case).

I think I'm equipped to have a balanced view on this (what, balanced did I say). Why is that?

Well my mother is Scottish and so that side of the family.

I've lived in Scotland for the past 25 years. I have 2 kids born in Scotland so they are Scottish (the other was 1 when she moved here with us)

So over the past 15 - 20 years we've seen a slow and steady rise of the SNP and the Independence movement again, largely down to Alex who was, if we are honest, a very intelligent politician of not, in my opinion a particularly nice person.

We've had devolution for 15 years or so. I huge amount of powers transferred to Holyrood (you'd be surprised at how many have not been fully used!) 

In that time, we have seen the slow decline in standing and performance in Scotland, under devolution, of: the NHS, Education, Law and Order and  the Fir Service. Economic performance is below par, National Debt is one of the highest in Europe if not the highest as % of GDP and the gap in attainment between rich and poor has widened to again the worst in the UK.

So given this performance. Overseen largely by almost 12 years of continuous SNP Government. How any intelligent person can think that Independence is the best answer and will bring a land of honey and money to Scotland is deluded. And that's the issue. Because for many in the Independence movement all they see is Scotland as a "free" (please don't make me laugh any more my sides are hurting) nation again, like they were 500 years ago. This romantic notion, fuelled by the language they use (referring to Scotland as a Colony!) will indeed see Scotland revert back to an autonomous national state, like it was 500 years ago. My big fear is that the living standards and situation could well also revert back to what it was 500 years ago too! Not literally of course. But we will be racked with debt. Starved of investment. And many of our citizens will (as they do now) be in poverty.

Mel Gibson has a lot to answer for!

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