Scottish Independence

[Barrykearley 6,972]

They ain't like kangaroos @ramjet - the dangly bits are massive at the rear and you don't need to tip em forwards to see !! Girls and boys are pretty different.

[ramjet 1,090]

But only their head bits were pointing at the road where we were.

[C8RKH 6,406]

Scotland does very well with milk, but it's the freisian cows of the dairy herds that produce that, the highland coo's are more for meat are they not?

Actually, Sturgeon is feeling a bit of a backlash up here with the "big conversation" as many people are letting their feelings be known which goes something like "we had the referendum, you lost, now stop whining and get on with the job of government". Latest polls suggest that Indyref2 will be lost to the Nats, the majority just do not want it. However, when has the SNP ever listened to the people, really and truly?

Also, the Scottish Tory leader, Ruth Davidson now has a higher personal "liking" rating than Queen Nichola - who the hell would have predicted that!

[Barrykearley 6,972]

Ah well - it's the perfect storm.

labour have been hopeless for Scotland for generations - and that showed when the snp alternative whooped them out. Now however it's all a bit different. You have the witch who is intent on denying what the public want and the choice of back to labour who are ripping each other to bits, both unelectable, and one who also wants to ignore the public vote as they are too ignorant and got it wrong.

its kinda none of the above - so the Tory box is pretty much the only one left to stick an X in

[Barrykearley 6,972]

And dare I saw - the Tories are also out womaning the feminist vote options as well 

[C8RKH 6,406]

I actually quite like Ruth Davidson (no, not in that way!) as she comes across with some well balanced arguments and does not get all "emotionally" charged when debating. A steady pair of hands and a good dose of pragmatism. The fact she likes ladies too is a huge bonus as it ticks all the PC / lefty boxes too so it is quite easy to see why she would appeal to your normal Scottish Voter who was not living in the dark ages.

The Conservatives where the party of choice in Scotland in the 50's, and when i moved to Perthshire over 20 years ago it was a Conservative held seat too. So maybe all this nationalist rhetoric, coupled with the Labour infighting, is the perfect storm the Conservatives need to snatch power up here! Interesting times we live in...

[Chillidoggy 4,388]

Still, it's not all bad. Free prescriptions and university fees and all that.

[C8RKH 6,406]

6 minutes ago, ian29gte said:

Still, it's not all bad. Free prescriptions and university fees and all that.

Yup, and the highest level of debt of any region in the UK to pay for it!

You forgot:

free personal care for the elderly - a demographic ticking time bomb that is now around 6x times, and climbing as Scotland's elderly population quota is increasing, more expensive than the labour politicians told us it would be.

free alcohol allowances for alcoholics - I kid you not!

free vet fee's for the unemployed

free drugs for drug addicts to keep then high

free eye tests

...

Independence, aye right, "freedom" - but at what price? Certainly not one we can afford to pay.

 

Can I suggest that every Lotus owner and TLF member, over the age of 60, retires here to Scotland! The roads are great, very rarely full of cars, house prices are relatively cheap, there's loads of space and you get all those great benefits. plus the more of you that retire here the more expensive the social policies and ergo the less we can afford independence. Perfick!

[Chillidoggy 4,388]

2 minutes ago, C8RKH said:

Yup, and the highest level of debt of any region in the UK to pay for it!

You forgot:

free personal care for the elderly - a demographic ticking time bomb that is now around 6x times, and climbing as Scotland's elderly population quota is increasing, more expensive than the labour politicians told us it would be.

free alcohol allowances for alcoholics - I kid you not!

free vet fee's for the unemployed

free drugs for drug addicts to keep then high

free eye tests

...

Independence, aye right, "freedom" - but at what price? Certainly not one we can afford to pay.

 

Can I suggest that every Lotus owner and TLF member, over the age of 60, retires here to Scotland! The roads are great, very rarely full of cars, house prices are relatively cheap, there's loads of space and you get all those great benefits. plus the more of you that retire here the more expensive the social policies and ergo the less we can afford independence. Perfick!

 

If you can throw in the certainty of getting a doctor's appointment, I'm in. I'll just have to ignore the weather.

[Barrykearley 6,972]

And the deep fried Mars bars, drunks staggering down every street - oh and the foreign language 

England needs Scotland - where else would we get rid of all of the offal no one else will eat from the abattoir 

[Chillidoggy 4,388]

3 hours ago, Barrykearley said:

And the deep fried Mars bars, drunks staggering down every street - oh and the foreign language 

 

You get that in Margate, minus the Mars bars. On balance, I can't see what Andy's moaning about.

[silverfrost 1,390]

May says the scottish people are not getting given the vote as the do not want it !   Seems like that is it, no vote 

[Barrykearley 6,972]

Yep - sod off Mrs kranky

[silverfrost 1,390]

I am a tad worried that this will develop into a, well yes we are leaving the eu but we are still in it,  both for scotland and england, I just hope they get a good deal and follow it through.!

[C8RKH 6,406]

Watching Theresa May on Andrew Marr this morning, what a difference to the whinging, whining, argumentative, sniping, "demanding", stamping, toys out the pram, Sturgeon.

On Brexit, which May did not support - "look, we had a vote, the British people in a democratic vote had a majority that voted for Brexit, so now, my job is just to get on with Brexit and the job of government and governing".

Why can't Sturgeon accept, like May, that she lost her vote and just get on with the job of government? To me this goes to the nub of the issue re Independence - we had the vote. We, as a nation had a majority that said no. So, respect the majority and democracy and the will of the people and move on and govern. Please!

[Barrykearley 6,972]

Id much prefer the - "goodbye Mrs merkel - we will be adding tax onto all German cars imported to the uk under normal global trading deals - and keep your uncontrolled random immigration"

[Chillidoggy 4,388]

I see Ms. Merkel had a bit of a bashing in the regional elections.

 

 

And completely off topic: Keith Vaz. Has the Teflon finally worn off?

[silverfrost 1,390]

I am more suprized a member of the far right have not taken her out yet to be honest, some of the groups over there are rather extreme.

[march 829]

Just caught the news - Looks like the poison dwarf is at it again, does she really not understand the democratic process?

[C8RKH 6,406]

You have to understand that the more "noise" she creates as a result of what happens in the rest of the UK, and particularly, linked to Westminster, the more it diverts attention from the pitifully poor performance of her own government over the past 9 years or so. It is more of a defensive strategy than an offensive one.

What she really does not understand is the economic reality of a Scotland (I wont see an independent Scotland as it won't be independent it will be ruled from Brussels instead of Westminster) that is out of the rUK and in the EU.Using the Scottish Governments own figures, Scotland exported some £76bn to international and rUk markets. Of that, 64% of the eport total was to the rUK (£48.5bn). £15.2bn was to the rest of the world and only £11.6bn was to the EU!

Now ask yourself. Why is she banging on about Brexit being disastrous for Scottish Exports when (1) it is their smallest trading partner group and (2) independence from the rest of the UK puts a trading market worth over 4 times as much (to the rUK) at risk?

What kind of miss-information is that? What kind of lack of understanding of the true world order of things is that.

For everyone who keeps on saying how good and honest Strugeon comes across,they really do need to get behind the facts.

Independence for Scotland is a separation from its biggest, oldest and most lucrative trading partner. It will mean a move to the Euro and the imposition of a physical hard border for goods, services and people between Scotland and rUK. How is the risk of that, outweighed by staying in a group 4x smaller?

Total utter nonsense the lot of it. But please do feel free to tell me I am bonkers.

If anyone wants to buy a lovely house in rural Perthshire, with stunning views, a large garden and a huge garage, let me know. I've had enough of this pish and shite and at times down right bigotry and racism towards the English - and this is, when you really get the debate going, what is at the core of the movement for independence in Scotland. A massive huge chip on some people's shoulder that has been there for over 350 years and where they still blame the red coats and English parliament for their own follies, political disasters, and traitorship and greed between clans, highlanders, lowlanders etc.. The rUk will, it pains me to say, be so much better off away from it all.

 

[Chillidoggy 4,388]

LOL!

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/14/bbc-breakfast-blunder-shows-escaped-gorilla-instead-of-nicola-st/

 

[DaveC72 786]

 

[Chillidoggy 4,388]

"Mistake".

Yeah, right!

[Bibs 11,380]

 

[johnpwalsh 1,343]

7 hours ago, C8RKH said:

If anyone wants to buy a lovely house in rural Perthshire, with stunning views, a large garden and a huge garage, let me know. I've had enough of this pish and shite and at times down right bigotry and racism towards the English - and this is, when you really get the debate going, what is at the core of the movement for independence in Scotland. A massive huge chip on some people's shoulder that has been there for over 350 years and where they still blame the red coats and English parliament for their own follies, political disasters, and traitorship and greed between clans, highlanders, lowlanders etc.. The rUk will, it pains me to say, be so much better off away from it

Andy, a bit late to the party mate, mines been on the market for a couple of months now. Country is ferked, laughed at world wide and no bloody chance of going it alone.