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Hehe good stuff Sparky. Sorry if I sound a bit dumb but... the heater?


Vanya Stanisavljevic '91 Esprit SE | '91 Elan SE | '97 XK8

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Yeah - vacuum controls the heater flaps.  Notorious for leaks due to - again - those awful rubber elbows!  They don't perish so much up front but the capillary tubes can be dislodged easily.


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Aaaaah! My bad, I knew it was something obvious but my brain was knackered last night. Hey isn't an easy way to check for vacuum leaks in the heater circuit leaving the flap open when turning off the engine and checking whether its still open some time later?


Vanya Stanisavljevic '91 Esprit SE | '91 Elan SE | '97 XK8

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Hey Vanya, your brain is working good, yep the same check should show the defect. When you think about it, it is like my older Lotus, Eclat/Elite when a vacuum leaks the headlights pop up same as your heaters, switch off and after a while your flaps will close.

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Aaaaah! My bad, I knew it was something obvious but my brain was knackered last night. Hey isn't an easy way to check for vacuum leaks in the heater circuit leaving the flap open when turning off the engine and checking whether its still open some time later?

Would that be - turn engine on (or after a drive) put the heater on - turn engine off - observe behaviour of the flap straight away, then after a minute, then after 5 mins?

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On behalf of the Lotus community can I I extend my deepest sympathies to Chris and Gary who - after considerable hard work and much time washing and waxing their cars yesterday  - had to wake up today to the sh*iest weather in a long time!  

 

A good example of "Sod's Law"

 

Could have been worse - my stag has been covered up for ages (i.e. a fitted car cover) and recently took the cover off - so - its been outside while it's been raining (British made soft top means more rainfall in the car than outside somehow).

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That's (British) life mate.  Anyhow, the water beading was majestic...


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Apparently water-beading is out of fashion.  'Sheeting' is the new 'best way'.  Yes - I did spell that correctly.

Beading causes a 'lens' effect for each bead letting the bad bits of sun rays through and magnifying them.  Or something.

 

Some recent waxes makes water run off in a sheet rather than bead on top of the surface,   guess you could use a 12" rubber squeegee thingy to wipe off the beads depending on wether you believe this new finding or not.

 

Threre's nothing like a good sheet (spelled either way depending on your circumstances).  

 

Ok following on from a great meeting of 'esprit minds' yesterday (well, mine being 'novice' rater than 'minds') I have a question which I shall post seperately below

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Those squeegy things are really bad for the paint I was told by a detailer.


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"Buggered chargecooler impeller"

 

I fitted an electrical pump on the Stag for the coolant flow- the only difficulty was having an arm that could snake its way down to the bottom of the radiator. I cut the pipe to the outflow of the rad and jubilee'd it to the pump and then attached the other end to the cut pipe.  As stated in the instructions I left it to hang by itself (rather than being fixed to something).  I guess this would mean the vibrations of the motor would no be transferred to the car body.  The impeller was left in the system - it wasn't broken - just inefficient 

 

So here's the question:

 

On removal of the old pump mechanism on the esprit  - how do you bung up the hole it used to fit into?

 

Am I right in saying that you need to:

 

1 locate 'out' pipe for the charge cooler 

2 disconnect (or cut) the pipe and divert it to the electric pump.

3 reconnect the 'out' of the electric pump to the disconnected pipe (i.e. - let the electric pump sit within/between the coolant circuit that was 'broken' in step 2.

4 connect electrics to earth and IGN live.

5 Bung up the hole where the old impeller system use to be (which confuses me)

 

Does that sound right ?

 

Here's an interesting question....

 

Who - here - has moved to an electric pump?

And to those who have done it - did you DIY or take it to a specialist?

 

Thanks all!

 

Steve

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There's a blanking plate available, Lotus even make one since it's such a common item to remove. 

 

Have a look back in this section, there's a huge thread about electric pump install. Much better idea than the mechanical one. 


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Those squeegy things are really bad for the paint I was told by a detailer.

... or chamois the beads off.

 

Meguires (spelling?) make a rubber squeegee thing - I wonder if the 'squeegee' thing is a 'divided opinion' thing - like half of doctors say vitamin pills are good for you whereas half say that the body just p*sses the stuff out.  :-)  "To squeegee or not to squeegee  - that is the question'  - well not in my case - I have a few other things to attend to ....sigh....

Thanks bibs - I will investigate.

 

Have you 'gone electric' or are you still on the original impeller?

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I'm guessing a detailer who spends all day on 'paint correction' would recommend you use one, so he can make more money fixing the problems they cause. One tiny bit of dirt, one huge scratch on your car. 


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Who - here - has moved to an electric pump?

 

 

After half a dozen impellor changes... meeeee. Kits are available. I used one from Lotus Marques, which included a pump, chassis mounting brackets, piping (but had to use parts of the old pipes), blanking plate (with o-ring), relay, etc. As previously stated, there are lots of message threads on this subject

 

Cheers

Ian. 

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What's that beautiful car - the blue one at the front?

 

I have never seen such greatness 

 

Whomever owns such a magnificent beast is surely a connoisseur of fine automobiles.

 

I wonder if it ever fails to start randomly with no apparent reason?

 

:harhar:

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Doesn't matter man, it's just as cool stationary as when in motion.


Vanya Stanisavljevic '91 Esprit SE | '91 Elan SE | '97 XK8

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.....except when your trying to exit a multi story car park and you're stopped between ramps.  Ordinarily the people behind might think 'nice looking car' - but might have very different feelings on an occasion such as that  :censored:

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Oh dear.

 

Very bad news.

 

I can explain it all by copy and pasting the email to the dealer:

(before the story I have to explain that I was so angry that I asked my wife to call the dealer as I was exploding)

 

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 Sorry about earlier - I asked Kerry to call as I was furious and upset.  Apart from 3 collisions on the M40 causing traffic hold ups on the way home the final car-failure as I turned half way on to my drive - was the last straw.

I left it a while and returned to it and it still won’t start.  In a way I almost prefer this as it means the intermittent occasions when it happens has now become permanent - and it falls within the ‘show stopper’ category .

The car has been fine for a while so I thought the problem might have gone.  I took it to some experts and they said all was ok apart from the accelerator cable had been strapped with a sensor by mistake (which caused an extra high tick over).  It appears that one of the sensors has been bypassed - but it was a common thing with the 2.2 engine.

I was very disappointed to hear that the charge cooler isn’t working but the fix isn’t a big deal.  But apart from that the espritmon readings showed everything (except the charge cooler temp - 56C) is ok.

So todays story:-

Drove to work with no issues 
The petrol was low but no warning light (needle about 1/5th full)
Drove home and about 2 miles into the journey the engine cut out - this was the first time its happened while ‘in proper motion’ (i.e. 20mph+)
Just in case I took a green gallon spare tank and put it in the car.
IT started and ran - but I think that might have been a coincidence
I got home and drove up my road - and it failed.
It started again after waiting a minute and turning the key
I got outside the house and half way on to the drive and the car cut out.
I managed to get it going enough to get on the drive which is where it sits now.
I left it for over half an hour then went out and attempted a restart - this time - to my surprise - it still wouldn’t start.
I will try again much later
If that fails then I’ll try tomorrow after work
If that fails then I’ll fill the spare tank and put it in the car.
If it then starts then there’s proof of something.

If it fails then we are in ‘show stopper’ mode
If it starts then there is something wrong with the fuel system.

I have an electric motor driven pump designed for removing oil or petrol - I might pump all the petrol out to investigate if there is something wrong in the tanks.

The smell of petrol that I mentioned can only be one of two things:
1) breather pipe perishing - which is very common
2) rusty tank(s) which can cause a smell if there are holes - this one is less common but replacing them requires ‘engine out’

If I pump the fuel out into a clean bucket then I can check for rust.

I’ve had a lot of stress from this car and although I love it I am scared to drive it which is a terrible situation so I really hope you will help me out.  Forum members have mentioned that the southampton Lotus dealer is new with a good reputation so I’m hoping I will be assisted.

Please could you confirm you got this email?

I will keep you updated with any findings / changes if they happen.

As it stands so far its not doing anything and it’s blocking Kerry’s car (In hindsight I shouldn’t have put it on the drive)

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[end of copy and paste]

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Update:

Popped down the road in the Honda to get a can of petrol (just in case)

Tipped it in.

No change - just a healthy starter motor.

 

Here's a clue....

 

When I turn the key to  IGN (i.e. before the starting turn of the key) the indicators all flash a couple of times.

When I try (and fail) to start the engine, when I turn the key anticlockwise out of the IGN position the indicators flash a couple of times.

 

As far as I know, that's not usual.  I don't think the factory built Esprit has an immobiliser and I know this esprit used to have one.

The people who fitted a new stereo recently for me confirmed that the immobiliser had been bypassed at the key barrel.  I wonder if there's another area (e.g. fuel pump or elsewhere in the electrics) that has an immobiliser function.

 

IF the indicator flash is expected please say but I cannot remember my previous S4s doing that.

 

So - tomorrow we'll be using the Honda and...... a 1966 Riley Elf.   A car from 1966 being used in place of a 90's car with all it's sensors, ecu etc!  

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I have a 94 S4 and my indicators don't flash on key on.

 

Have you tried to find a distributor/installer of the immobiliser that the car has in it? Take it to them and ask them to strip it ALL out maybe?


All we know is that when they stop making this, we will be properly, properly sad.Jeremy Clarkson on the Esprit.

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What is the sensor that's been bypassed? This sounds very odd and it most certainly is not the case that this is common on the cars with the Delco ecu.

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I missed that bit Derek. You do need to find out which sensor has been bypassed Stephen. They are there for a reason. I have never heard of sensors being bypassed either.


All we know is that when they stop making this, we will be properly, properly sad.Jeremy Clarkson on the Esprit.

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I have a 94 S4 and my indicators don't flash on key on.

 

Have you tried to find a distributor/installer of the immobiliser that the car has in it? Take it to them and ask them to strip it ALL out maybe?

Thanks for the confirmation

 

Wel, with this one I'm trying to hold the warranty stuff with the seller (who's about 100 miles away).

One wonders whether it would be wiser to take it to an approved immobiliser fitter and have it properly removed and be done with it - I just don't know what the cost would be.

What is the sensor that's been bypassed? This sounds very odd and it most certainly is not the case that this is common on the cars with the Delco ecu.

I'm not sure - I was with sparky and chris and there was some of that locking plastic strip stuff holding something up that was attached to the accelerator cable about midway as you look into the bay from the back

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