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Compatability of parts Elite S1 1975


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Is there a list available for the origin of parts for a Lotus Elite S1, type 75?

 

The reason I ask this is that I bought one about a month ago to restore. Although the car is amazingly original many parts need refurbishment or replacement after lying abandoned for years.

 

It is common knowledge that Lotus built their cars from parts from various mainline manufacturers of the day particularly trim and some running gear.

 

Has anyone ever written a comparison list of the parts used? or an item that can be used from a more modern car instead.

 

For instance I recognise, so far, Austin Allegro door handles, Ford Escort Mk2 brake master cylinder and servo, Jaguar E type front calipers, Capri 3ltr. rear drums but I have no idea as to the origin of the rear tailgate struts or anything compatible.

 

I would be very interested in hearing from any member who has the certain knowledge of the origin of any part on the Elite and/or a part that would fit as a replacement with minimal modification.

 

Regards,

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Handbrake flexi mount is ford escort (available on e-bay), power steering is ford too?, rear brake master cylinders are Capri. rear lights are Aston Martin or Hillman hunter (depending on what end of the spectrum you come from). I believe steering column is BL...

 

To be honest it's all part of the fun. It's an easy car to restore, I have not found mechanical parts that are not available once I have figured out where they come from. Trim on the other hand is more difficult as this is what makes the car different. Interiors are now becoming fragile and will take a fair degree on money to fix well.

 

I you have a complete car that has not been hacked around at you stand a pretty good chance of doing a good restoration and it's very satisfying.

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Handbrake flexi mount is ford escort (available on e-bay), power steering is ford too?, rear brake master cylinders are Capri. rear lights are Aston Martin or Hillman hunter (depending on what end of the spectrum you come from). I believe steering column is BL...

 

To be honest it's all part of the fun. It's an easy car to restore, I have not found mechanical parts that are not available once I have figured out where they come from. Trim on the other hand is more difficult as this is what makes the car different. Interiors are now becoming fragile and will take a fair degree on money to fix well.

 

I you have a complete car that has not been hacked around at you stand a pretty good chance of doing a good restoration and it's very satisfying.

I forgot about the handbrake flexi it is Escort MK1/2.

The power steering is Ford, but is it Capri 1,2,3, or Cortina 3, 4, 5 or Granada 1,2? It should be Capri as the standard steering rack looks like Capri or Escort RS Mk1,2.

The rear lights on my car are not Hunter they look more like a Fiat X19,(possibly). I know the S2 rear lights were upside down SD1 Rover units.

The column stalks do look like BL but what model? Mini, Allegro, Marina, Maxi are all different.

It does take the fun out of sourcing parts but instead of each individual doing the research would it not be better to share?

Then the fun would be finding the item.

If I receive quite a number of replies and added to my own knowledge I intend to compile a list and ask for a pinned topic status.

It should help many others.

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Google "golden gate lotus" and the US guys started a list.

 

The items listed above have some errors. For anyone searching the archives, the master cylinder and servo are not ford items, at least not on the majority of elite/eclat series 1's (the later ones). Getting the later master cylinders is getting harder, and the closest substitute appears to be a pre 1985 Saab 900 (preferably an auto) or a manual if you plug the take off for the saabs clutch on the reservoir.

 

Rear lights are shared with Scimitar and Aston DBS. Stalks are believed to be triumph dolomites. Some of the switchgear is Jaguar, but not all. Series 2 slide switches are late TR7.

 

Brake calipers are Jag S1/2 XJ6 (pre vented) and S3 E, rear cylinders capri mk1 and early two (single chamber) and the rear shoes are MGC and Capri 3L.

 

loads others. Probably easier for you to ask, and we can see if we know.

 

best wishes

Duncan

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Rear hub bearing is Austin maxi front hub bearing. Switch gear is BL front side lights mini clubman.

 

Sure i read somewhere that the bearing uses a different seal ( or comes with a seal and the Maxi bearing doesn't ) so you still need to buy one listed to fit the Lotus.

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Handbrake flexi mount is ford escort (available on e-bay), power steering is ford too?, rear brake master cylinders are Capri. rear lights are Aston Martin or Hillman hunter (depending on what end of the spectrum you come from). I believe steering column is BL...

 

To be honest it's all part of the fun. It's an easy car to restore, I have not found mechanical parts that are not available once I have figured out where they come from. Trim on the other hand is more difficult as this is what makes the car different. Interiors are now becoming fragile and will take a fair degree on money to fix well.

 

I you have a complete car that has not been hacked around at you stand a pretty good chance of doing a good restoration and it's very satisfying.

Many apologies Mike you are right the rear lights are Hillman Hunter. I think I was on another planet when I thought they loooked like Fiat X19 Must get some new glasses!

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Other items I know (as I replaced them on my cars) that I didn't see listed above:-

Clutch cable Vauxhall 

Air Filter Triumph Stag

Distributor Mini

Front Trunnions Triumph

Timing Belt Ford Capri 

 

I can confirm power steering is Ford Capri (its stamped on the rack) as I serviced (New seals) that of my 503

Rear brakes replaced with 3L Capri Drums and shoes, couple of interior lights (Jaguar) one door handle Morris Marina. 

 

 

One way valve in servo wasn't TR7 but it was a straight replacement and this is what I used when mine failed. 

And as for the rear glass struts I don't know where the originals  came from but back on my first Elite (in 1982) I replaced them with some from a tractor (they came from International Harvesters in Doncaster). 

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Other items I know (as I replaced them on my cars) that I didn't see listed above:-

Clutch cable Vauxhall 

Air Filter Triumph Stag

Distributor Mini

Front Trunnions Triumph

Timing Belt Ford Capri 

 

I can confirm power steering is Ford Capri (its stamped on the rack) as I serviced (New seals) that of my 503

Rear brakes replaced with 3L Capri Drums and shoes, couple of interior lights (Jaguar) one door handle Morris Marina. 

 

 

One way valve in servo wasn't TR7 but it was a straight replacement and this is what I used when mine failed. 

And as for the rear glass struts I don't know where the originals  came from but back on my first Elite (in 1982) I replaced them with some from a tractor (they came from International Harvesters in Doncaster). 

Excellent stuff just what is needed to build up this list.

 

I have found a manufacturer of Rear gas struts complete with new ball pins for the tailgate at £12.99+vat+delivery.

SG Engineering of Derby make them.

Very nice company atitude and sales staff very helpful. They work ok and hold the tailgate up. The slight downside is that they only open the tailgate about  a couple of inches when the catch is operated and it has to be lifted manually. They could do with a little more pressure in them to be as original. It is a minor thing but I can live with that.

 

I am looking for an alternative source for a reversing light switch fitted to the rear of the Maxi based gearbox any ideas anyone?

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Not sure about the maxi gearbox but i replaced the reversing light switch on the Getrag box with a BMW 528 pattern part.

I think the anti roll bar to chassis rubber bushes are Ford Escort mk1 but have yet to confirm it.

Speedo cable Austin maxi.

Rear Elite gas struts can be replaced with Range rover p38 struts if you want a bit more lifting power.

Bonnet gas strut can be replaced with Nissan micra rear strut.

S2 Elite boot lock is Tr7.

Outer door handles on S2 are Tr7

Headlight lift motors S2 are Tr7

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Not sure about the maxi gearbox but i replaced the reversing light switch on the Getrag box with a BMW 528 pattern part.

I think the anti roll bar to chassis rubber bushes are Ford Escort mk1 but have yet to confirm it.

Speedo cable Austin maxi.

Rear Elite gas struts can be replaced with Range rover p38 struts if you want a bit more lifting power.

Bonnet gas strut can be replaced with Nissan micra rear strut.

S2 Elite boot lock is Tr7.

Outer door handles on S2 are Tr7

Headlight lift motors S2 are Tr7

Again good info, Thanks for the input.

 

My front antiroll bar bushes have a Ford number on them starting with 74 which would mean MK2 Escort. (68 for a MK1).

 

My poly bush problem is that I can get them for a 20mm bar but the Lotus is 3/4" which is a loose fit. The clamps are also loose fitting.

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Other items I know (as I replaced them on my cars) that I didn't see listed above:-

Clutch cable Vauxhall 

Air Filter Triumph Stag

Distributor Mini

Front Trunnions Triumph

Timing Belt Ford Capri 

 

 

 Is the distributor really a mini item - I thought the advance was controlled by weights and vacuum - does the mini really have the same ignition timing as the lotus?

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Adrian the Mk 1 Escort should be British imperial, the Mk2 would be German metric, would be new Ford parts current when the Lotus was designed.

Have you looked the part number up?

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 Is the distributor really a mini item - I thought the advance was controlled by weights and vacuum - does the mini really have the same ignition timing as the lotus?

The basic body and mechanicals of the 25D is the same as hundreds of cars from our era and many years before including the Lotus with points ignition. The Lotus would probably run fine on a Mini one but I doubt run to optimum.

 

You are quite correct regarding advance spring weights and the vacuum. There are hundreds of standard variations. Each distributor number on the side of the body dictates this.

Somewhere on the internet there is a Lucas spreadsheet listing them.

A close match may be a Triumph TR4 or MGB or even a Morris Oxford!

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Adrian the Mk 1 Escort should be British imperial, the Mk2 would be German metric, would be new Ford parts current when the Lotus was designed.

Have you looked the part number up?

No I haven't looked the number up. Although a 74 code would be MK2 from my recollections from rallying an Escort in the late 70s and therefore metric and upgraded to 20mm.

Of course itt could be that a DPO, (Dreaded Previous Owner) or DPM, (Dreaded Previous Mechanic), may have fitted the wrong rubber bushes in the past.

The ARB on my Elite is definitely 3/4" diameter measured with a Vernier allowing a few thou for a little rust damage on the bar.

I am thinking that I may look into to a double width bush kit if they are still available for my size bar.

 

The poly bush people only seem to supply the metric type.

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A quick update to this Lotus Elite compatibility thread.

 

Front brake discs cross ref. to Triumph Vitesse 2ltr or GT6.

 

Available from Rimmer Bros at £13.90 + vat + delivery.

 

Hell of a lot cheaper than Lotus specialists.

 

Disc pads cross ref to Cortina MK1 available online for as little as £7.80 + delivery.

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Be very careful!

The parts cross referencing in many motor factors and on the net for lotus elite discs is wrong.

GT6 discs were used on the éclat 520 with a two pot caliper.

All other elites and eclats use bigger discs. This éclat 520 firmest seems to have gotten extrapolated across to elite from the Eclat 520.

A rule of thumb for anyone reading this thread in the archives is that if your car has 3pot hurling calipers, your car does not use GT6 discs. It needs bigger ones, and we don't yet have any clues for a substitute.

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Be very careful!

The parts cross referencing in many motor factors and on the net for lotus elite discs is wrong.

GT6 discs were used on the éclat 520 with a two pot caliper.

All other elites and eclats use bigger discs. This éclat 520 firmest seems to have gotten extrapolated across to elite from the Eclat 520.

A rule of thumb for anyone reading this thread in the archives is that if your car has 3pot hurling calipers, your car does not use GT6 discs. It needs bigger ones, and we don't yet have any clues for a substitute.

Good advice Dunc.

 

As a comparative newbie to Lotus Elites these are the things to be aware of.

 

Apart from the Rimmer Bros Vitesse listing I came across a part number of NBD 441 which comes from National Autoparts and shows a 245mm disc is this the size I am looking for?

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No, that's the little disc for the éclat. Your elite has bigger discs. We discussed them on a thread before. Do a search on gt6 through the archives  and you should pick it up.

It took a little time but I found the thread you mention.

 

How odd that a dedicated disc exists for the Elite and all the duff motorfactor info too.

 

Would would have thought it?

 

Instead of replacement I have given up on that idea for now and decided to have a minor skim by a local engineering firm.

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Interestingly SJ's quote the Eclat Sprint discs at £13.60, the others at £56.  Maybe not so different at all?

 

I haven't found SJs, Lotusbits, or Kemps outrageously expensive for any parts I've needed.  There is reasonable competition in the market even though it is small.  Bear in mind you have some come-back if the parts are incorrect for your car, which you probably don't get from other sources.

 

Price differences seem to appear mostly when you compare a lesser quality item from a non-Lotus party with the real thing from a specialist.  I think some the suspension bolts / studs are an example.

 

As for BL parts compatibility, it seems to me that there is no where to get most Maxi or similar parts from these days, other than Lotus specialists.  Rimmers , Moss etc. only  cover parts for sport cars, not the bread and butter cars.

 

For bodywork parts, like door handles, eBay is a good friend to me.  You just have to wait for them to turn up.

 

And of course Lotus Bits sells a lot of odd bits second-hand at give-away prices.  I bought some second hand (perfect condition) big end studs - Lotus specific and corresponding expensive new - for more or less the cost of the postage.  

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I think the difference is between the Eclat Sprint and the rest of the Elites/Eclats. The Eclat Sprint, uniquely, was fitted with a 4 speed Ford gearbox and 13 inch wheels, together with the smaller discs. The 'normal' Elites/Eclats were fitted with 14 inch wheels and the bigger discs. I believe that the Sprint was great fun to drive if not quite as capable as its grown up siblings.

 

ATB Richard

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