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Registered interest before lunch and I've already had a phone call and email from Simon at Lotus about the car, when cars are ariving ,specs etc... well done!

 

As for the Ring, well manufacturers mostly use it for durability testing , specifically 10,000km, to speed up their testing schedules. The Lap times is an interesting byproduct which has sadly descended into unique suspension/tyre/aero setups to give the necessary times. Still makes good pub talk about the cars in question.


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Indeed! I actually think Lotus would do extremely well at the ring. It is a rough course and suspension magic really shines there. The 400 may loose out a bit on the high speed bit at the end, but that top speed limit is a known spec. Would only cost it 2 seconds or so. If the 400 pulled a 7:05 I would be hugely impressed! !!!

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Indeed! I actually think Lotus would do extremely well at the ring. It is a rough course and suspension magic really shines there. The 400 may loose out a bit on the high speed bit at the end, but that top speed limit is a known spec. Would only cost it 2 seconds or so. If the 400 pulled a 7:05 I would be hugely impressed! !!!

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I don't get the mania around Porsches. I had a Cayman as a courtesy car for 7 weeks and after all the hype I had read about it was really worried that I would be really disappointed when I got my Evora back.

Not a bit of it, the ride was shocking, roads I whizzed along in the Lotus or even my old Type R felt like someone had gone down them with Tank Tracks. In comparision the steering was numb and the handling was badly affected by overly the stiff suspension.

It was not a pleasant experience, beautifully engineered, and in fairness it was the entry level Cayman, but if to get comparable ride and handling you have to buy the all singing all dancing most expensive version of the Cayman then in my head there is something wrong. A good car should have good ride and handling to start with, not need expensive upgrades and optional extras to make it handle well etc.

The other thing was, it had no soul. It was just like every other Porsche out there, nothing made it stand out.

A Lotus has soul (And a lot of squeaks and rattles), it has character and I suspect no two Evoras are quite the same.

I've registered for a test Drive and once the agreement on my current Evora comes to an end will be seriously considering a 400. If it rides and handles as well as the current car and is quicker, then I would have it over a Porsche any day.

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I guess we can stop worrying about comparison to the Cayman. Seems like the facelift due next year gets a new 4-cylinder engine! OK, it may end up with similar power figures, but clearly seperates it from thee "real stuff".

 

Apparently the Cayman GT4 is too god, Porsche needs to reestablish the gap to the 911, which will remain 6-cylinder.


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I guess we can stop worrying about comparison to the Cayman. Seems like the facelift due next year gets a new 4-cylinder engine! OK, it may end up with similar power figures, but clearly seperates it from thee "real stuff".

Apparently the Cayman GT4 is too god, Porsche needs to reestablish the gap to the 911, which will remain 6-cylinder.

Can we be sure that the next time Lotus goes trawling through Toyota's parts bin they won't find some blown or hybrid 4's?

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It'l be OK as long as they put them in the Elise.


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It'l be OK as long as they put them in the Elise.

I wouldn't want a 4 pot in an Evora but then it hasn't done Alfa any harm with the 4C.


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I want the LFA V10 in anything I can afford - a lawnmower would do!

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I wouldn't want a 4 pot in an Evora but then it hasn't done Alfa any harm with the 4C.

Actually its a not doing very well at all... Lotus sold 4x the number of V6s so far this year. Now if they had fitted a 6 ...


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Indeed! I actually think Lotus would do extremely well at the ring. It is a rough course and suspension magic really shines there. The 400 may loose out a bit on the high speed bit at the end, but that top speed limit is a known spec. Would only cost it 2 seconds or so. If the 400 pulled a 7:05 I would be hugely impressed! !!!

 

you mean 7.50?

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Having driven the 'Ring a few times, I have to think it's an excellent place to develope a car. It's the most un- circuit like place that's used as a circuit. If a car is set up for the ring, it would make an excellent all round road car. The couple of high speed areas are only a small percentage of the circuit as a whole, it's more like a very twisty B road for the most part, with a very so so surface.

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If that's the case Martin then why are all the Beemers and Audi's that are "developed" there such "hard riding" drives when they come to the UK?

 

I think to the be fast at the 'Ring take a specific type of set-up and that just does not always transfer well to normal roads. Cannot speak for the roads in Italy, but here in the UK they are being reclaimed by nature and turned into wagon tracks....

 

One part of the M6 near Preston has two parallel tramlines 1-2 inches deep worn out by the convoys of lorries that use it...


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I'm inclined to agree with Breeze here. The whole James May thing about cars developed at the 'Ring being too stiff isn't accurate. Nissan's 7.08 'Ring laptime Nismo GTR special had ridiculously expensive dampers that were set up softer and more compliant than the regular Nismo GTR.

 

Audis are stiff for loads of reasons, most German cars were until more recently. Typically you can only get a heavy car to handle well if its stiffly set up, you just can't control the mass otherwise. On top of that, I think Audi wanted to make the cars feel 'solid and reassuring' which most people associate with being 'sporty' as opposed to soft and floaty like a big american limo.

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JP what goes for the goose and all that,

 

lotus should just cheat like everyone else. ... but i certainly think the 400 will be comfortably lotus' quickest production car at the ring. its going to be far more stable than Gebhardts exige, should be pulling a higher top end on the latter parts too. if it is its a good thing to publish / celebrate. 

 

For ref... 

 

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Does anyone know how much the space in the rear has been improved in the 400? I need only to put two car seats in the rear which isn't really practical in the current sports racer. An extra couple of inches in width across the rear bench, and an inch or two in headroom would make the world of difference. Legroom, surprisingly, isn't the biggest constraint.

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Im not convinced about the headroom as I dont think the base cushion is any thinner but they have removed the side bolsters to the seat base so has made it wider.

 

 

Lotus-Evora-400-6.jpg

 

compared to

 

LOTUS-EVORA-Rear-Seat-1.jpg

 

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you mean 7.50?

yes. I did mean 7:50  actually.  LOL.    

JP what goes for the goose and all that,

 

lotus should just cheat like everyone else. ... but i certainly think the 400 will be comfortably lotus' quickest production car at the ring. its going to be far more stable than Gebhardts exige, should be pulling a higher top end on the latter parts too. if it is its a good thing to publish / celebrate. 

 

For ref... 

 

Brilliant lap!  so jelly.

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So, if I'm honest - and I will be with the Dealer - this is not a buy now test drive. I'm lucky that Chris at Westway is a genuine enthusiast (in my experience) and knows that he will be "bedding in" a future customer if the 400 turns out to be the belter it's shaping up to be.

When he supplied my current car he suggested that most of his customers were "two year" owners. That might not be us all on here... but I can see his logic.

I have oscillated massively over certain aspects of the 400s look and I think will only know for sure when I see the damn thing in the plastic. For now - I'm smitten.

Totally agree D. I'm in the same boat. Almost ready in my mind to buy an S but have decided to wait for the 400... Let's see it in the flesh, have they really sorted the quality and transmission.

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"Im not convinced about the headroom as I dont think the base cushion is any thinner but they have removed the side bolsters to the seat base so has made it wider."

Thanks Gav.

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I just came across this (not that I was looking for it or planning to change mine... :-) ) and I thought I would share for those of you without nails and willing to spend some spare time configurating your Evora 400

 

http://lotus-am-ring.de/konfigurator.php

 

Hopefully the official one in Lotus' website will show the same results shortly. :-)

 

Jorge

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OH MY god Jorge why did you have to post that link!  I got as far as this and then needed to go and change my trousers!!!  Though I do hope we lose those stupid North American reflector thingies on the front wings...

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Im not convinced about the headroom as I dont think the base cushion is any thinner but they have removed the side bolsters to the seat base so has made it wider.

 

 

Lotus-Evora-400-6.jpg

 

My dog will like this back seat a little more.  Doesn't look as elegant or exotic as the previous design; more like what Porsche does on the 911....

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I have asked about the "Federal" or correctly termed "those stupid North American reflector thingies on the front wings" and been told that all regions are getting them as the body is formed for them and not as presently glued on as an afterthought.  The bad news is they are also behind the rear wheels and look equally hideous.  

 

I also would love to see the LOTUS letters on dash top be removed as tacky in the extreme and when I enquired if could be a delete item initial indications were possibly not, as material formed round them or something......  As nobody who saw them in our large group liked them I can't believe that the feedback hasn't reached the powers that be.

 

​That is the first time I have seen the car in any colour other than that hideous Geneva Show silver and it is stunning.  Damn you! I was convincing myself I didn't like the new shape and wouldn't be upgrading.  Damn, damn and damn.  :censored:  :censored:  &  :censored: That's car porn. (where did you find that rendition?) 

 

​I think that the seats look considerably better than the present ones although possibly less comfortable and the good news is it looks like when loading them up with everything but human cargo as I do a lot, they are also a better shape to accept cabin bags etc. as flatter and squarer.

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