martynw Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Just spotted that Jewsons (the builders merchants) have put in a planning application to demolish the first factory Colin Chapman set up in Hornsey. The building is locally listed because of its history, and quite a few people have already objected to its demolition. To save me typing out all the details again, someone has done quite a good summary here: http://www.harringayonline.com/forum/topics/demolition-of-colin-chapman-lotus-cars-site-in-tottenham-lane?commentId=844301%3AComment%3A725870&xg_source=activity and you can get to the application on Haringey Council website - and lodge any objections - here: http://www.planningservices.haringey.gov.uk/portal/servlets/ApplicationSearchServlet?PKID=279416 If you want to object, do it quick - it seems the application was lodged at the end of January, and you only usually get 21 days to comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loose Cannon Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 The Design and Access staement says that there are no listed buildings on or near the site..........which is either misleading if the buildings HAVE have been listed by the authority, or just symptomatic of what looks like a very cheap and shoddy development. "Relocate existing portakabin", lovely Letter submitted, for waht it's worth. By the way including statements about collusion with developers in Planning matters (like the originator of the objection) is definitley NOT a good idea and a great way to get the whole objection thrown out Quote In the garage no-one can hear you scream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frickin_idiot Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Objection lodged. Imagine the uproar if this was Lamborghini or Ferrari. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Esprit SE Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Unless Jewson staff are lotus finatics id guess the demolition will go ahead, there doesnt look any refference to its past currently and no one objected to that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frickin_idiot Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Would a gathering of cars at the site with local press gain any momentum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramjet Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Oz has a heritage listing register and once a building has made it on there, it is incredibly difficult to get it removed. Doesn't the UK have something like that or has this building never made it on? Quote All we know is that when they stop making this, we will be properly, properly sad.Jeremy Clarkson on the Esprit. Opinions are like armpits. Everyone has them, some just stink more than others. For forum issues, please contact one of us Moderators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red vtec Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 You can get a building listed on English heritage. You do it on line I think it can be done even at this stage Quote Amateurs built the Ark Professionals built the Titanic "I haven't ridden in cars pulled by cows before" "Bullocks, Mr.Belcher" "No, I haven't, honestly" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 English Heritage designate listed buildings which present significance across a range of heritage values which are considered important on a national level. Local authorities are encouraged to designate buildings which may not be nationally important but make a contribution locally. Both receive statutory protection and require justification for alteration/development and certainly solid justification for demolition. Anyone can recommend a building for listing but it's unlikely that this building will be assessed to have enough special architectural and historic interest to be designated by EH based purely on historic association and communal value. The problem with buildings such as this is that they need to remain commercially viable and sustainable because if it can be demonstrated that they're not, justification for demolition becomes relatively simple..... especially if there's an over riding public benefit (replacement building will help the local economy etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 In addition to my dreary bumf above, I do note from the application that there's no heritage assessment submitted as part of the application. The National Planning Policy Framework (Section 12 para 128) states: "In determining applications, local planning authorities should require an applicant to describe the significance of any heritage assets affected, including any contribution made by their setting. The level of detail should be proportionate to the assets’ importance and no more than is sufficient to understand the potential impact of the proposal on their significance. As a minimum the relevant historic environment record should have been consulted and the heritage assets assessed using appropriate expertise where necessary. Where a site on which development is proposed includes or has the potential to include heritage assets with archaeological interest, local planning authorities should require developers to submit an appropriate desk-based assessment and, where necessary, a field evaluation." Therefore, the local authority shouldn't determine the application without this supporting statement. If anyone wishes to use this in an effort to at least stall the application, feel free to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian_007 Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 I don't know whether this is in anyway helpful.... Bletchley Park [WW2 historical site] was saved because they organised a "reunion" for former workers, invited the press & local councillors. I believe this was successful because the local council then slapped a preservation order on the trees to prevent development. Another Lotus relevant site, near to Cheshunt, was Panshanger aerodrome. Lotus used this as a service & paint rectification centre in the 60's. The original hangar still exists (but looks pretty shoddy). Difficult to say how long this will exist as the airfield closed operations in Summer 2014.. likely this will be developed for housing in the next few years I would suspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basalte Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 Objection lodged. It`s only a mile down the road from me. (Enough Industrial Past and local history being trashed and forgotten in favour of disposable objects and blind consumption, already !) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramjet Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 Can a non-UK resident add his name to the objection? Quote All we know is that when they stop making this, we will be properly, properly sad.Jeremy Clarkson on the Esprit. Opinions are like armpits. Everyone has them, some just stink more than others. For forum issues, please contact one of us Moderators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Anyone can object but at local authority level it's likely that the decision will be policy and commercial based. The best hope would be to get english heritage to intervene and apply for it to be nationally listed. Often though locally listed buildings have been through this process Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post delands Posted March 27, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Planning permission denied! I received an email from council. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bibs Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Quote 88 Esprit NA, 89 Esprit Turbo SE, Evora, Evora S, Evora IPS, Evora S IPS, Evora S IPS SR, Evora 400, Elise S1, Elise S1 111s, Evora GT410 Sport Evora NA For forum issues, please contact the Moderators. I will aim to respond to emails/PM's Mon-Fri 9-6 GMT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ramjet Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Will anyone use the building for a museum or the like or does it just enter an extended court battle now? I'm all for it remaining as it should by the way. Quote All we know is that when they stop making this, we will be properly, properly sad.Jeremy Clarkson on the Esprit. Opinions are like armpits. Everyone has them, some just stink more than others. For forum issues, please contact one of us Moderators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frickin_idiot Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 Great news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bibs Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 http://www.hamhighbroadway.co.uk/home/historic_headquarters_of_hornsey_lotus_cars_saved_by_council_planners_1_4027881 1 Quote 88 Esprit NA, 89 Esprit Turbo SE, Evora, Evora S, Evora IPS, Evora S IPS, Evora S IPS SR, Evora 400, Elise S1, Elise S1 111s, Evora GT410 Sport Evora NA For forum issues, please contact the Moderators. I will aim to respond to emails/PM's Mon-Fri 9-6 GMT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auRouge Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 Excellent news, common sense prevails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisJ Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 That's good news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loose Cannon Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 A revised application appears to have been submitted not only saving the site but re-using it usefully. Take a look and see if I'm missing something but this could be a rare turnabout face; http://www.planningservices.haringey.gov.uk/portal/servlets/ApplicationSearchServlet?PKID=285092Good news? Quote In the garage no-one can hear you scream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bibs Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 Dead link here. Being the council are they Mon-Fri 9-5 only? Quote 88 Esprit NA, 89 Esprit Turbo SE, Evora, Evora S, Evora IPS, Evora S IPS, Evora S IPS SR, Evora 400, Elise S1, Elise S1 111s, Evora GT410 Sport Evora NA For forum issues, please contact the Moderators. I will aim to respond to emails/PM's Mon-Fri 9-6 GMT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramjet Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) It's not working for me either. I can't even get back to the main site. Same message. Run into the error going through google as well. Something's wrong. Edited October 23, 2015 by ramjet Quote All we know is that when they stop making this, we will be properly, properly sad.Jeremy Clarkson on the Esprit. Opinions are like armpits. Everyone has them, some just stink more than others. For forum issues, please contact one of us Moderators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold FFM johnpwalsh Posted October 24, 2015 Gold FFM Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 I thought they had put preservation order on the building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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