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True that at 82k base for the road car and 115k for the track car these  311 cars should generate quite a lot of cash for the company for a cost of development not too high considering most parts are already well proven and other parts will trickle down to Exiges and Evoras beefed up versions in the months to come. 

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Yes. And that's just at the show. Get in quick if you want one. :thumbup:

If we are being honest I think at that  price and specialist nature then Lotus will struggle to sell 311 no matter how good the car may be.

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Agree, I never fully got the premium for the x'11 cars.   Less car, pay more, use it only on sunny weekends.  Then wait 6 months and all the good bits trickle down into the road going cars. It wouldn't be so bad, but the residuals are a mixed bag :(

 

Fingers crossed we get a cracking "Cup 450" in 6-12 months time. 

 

(DISCLAIMER: If I could run 2 Loti I would have a 311 AND an Exige)

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2Eleven values have been rock solid for 3-4 years, you'll not spend a penny in depreciation in that time.

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I think some of the posters re depreciation, value for money and practicality are missing the point of the x11 cars completely, though of course this is in my unqualified and humble opinion.

 

If I had the money, I'd buy one, as, for the money, it would probably blow just about everything else off the track up to around the £350k mark, and that's just the road version.  It would be a great ownership proposition, if I had the money.

 

Think of the value Lotus offer - an Evora 400 at £80 - £85k fully specced how I would want it for a daily driver. A 311 road at say £85k specced for me. £170k all in and more pleasure than a weekend away locked in a jacuzzi with the entire cast of Pam's People!

 

Now, that same £170k would just about buy a decent spec new Mclaren 570. Hmmm, round 1 to Lotus me thinks.

 

Wait, I'll have a Ferrari 488, oh wait, bugger me, I need to save up another £12k just to get the basic spec model. Round 2 to Lotus.

 

Ah yes, but as a fat boy I could have a Porker. So a 911 GT3 will be around £115k with options and a Cayman will be £55k speeced. Damn, I'd have enough left over to buy a bar lunch and a pint of cider. But then I'd be a Porsche driver. So, on countback, that's the final win for Lotus, a split decision, but it get's it on points.  :)

 

And you really think Lotus will struggle to find just 311 buyers - people with the money and common sense to see just what a value prop is being offered. Oh well, if I'm wrong I'll eat my fan belt.

I came into this world screaming and covered in someone elses blood. I'll probably leave it in the same way. 

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I REALLY want a 311. The familiar Lotus agony continues. Ever since I first saw the 211 I've been weighing up the pros and cons vs an Exige, now I have to do it all over again!

As with the 211 the 311 will be the definitive driving experience from the range but if the current Cup car is anything to go by a 450 (please Lotus!) version is going to be a car of staggering ability and hopefully a useful amount cheaper too.

No doubt the car mags will write it off as too extreme as before and set faster laptimes in a Cayman 2.7 ;) but the reality for trackdays in the real world is that a GT3RS owner is going to need to know what he's doing to keep one in sight. People will expect the 311 to be fast but of the two it's the Exige that will be springing the bigger surprises on trackdays. The next few years are going to be a lot of fun out on track!

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2Eleven values have been rock solid for 3-4 years, you'll not spend a penny in depreciation in that time.

 

Everything is relative ;)  All the Elise variant cars do extremely well, but the Exige S1 and S2 are arguably a safer bet than the 340R / 2Eleven's IMHO (hence the mixed bag comment)

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I think some of the posters re depreciation, value for money and practicality are missing the point of the x11 cars completely, though of course this is in my unqualified and humble opinion.

 

If I had the money, I'd buy one, as, for the money, it would probably blow just about everything else off the track up to around the £350k mark, and that's just the road version.  It would be a great ownership proposition, if I had the money.

 

Think of the value Lotus offer - an Evora 400 at £80 - £85k fully specced how I would want it for a daily driver. A 311 road at say £85k specced for me. £170k all in and more pleasure than a weekend away locked in a jacuzzi with the entire cast of Pam's People!

 

Now, that same £170k would just about buy a decent spec new Mclaren 570. Hmmm, round 1 to Lotus me thinks.

 

Wait, I'll have a Ferrari 488, oh wait, bugger me, I need to save up another £12k just to get the basic spec model. Round 2 to Lotus.

 

Ah yes, but as a fat boy I could have a Porker. So a 911 GT3 will be around £115k with options and a Cayman will be £55k speeced. Damn, I'd have enough left over to buy a bar lunch and a pint of cider. But then I'd be a Porsche driver. So, on countback, that's the final win for Lotus, a split decision, but it get's it on points.   :)

 

And you really think Lotus will struggle to find just 311 buyers - people with the money and common sense to see just what a value prop is being offered. Oh well, if I'm wrong I'll eat my fan belt.

 

My opinion (also humble and likely not 100% accurate) is the x'11 cars are more aimed at the Radical/Arial/X-Bow/Extreme Caterham market, not the coupe/GT segment.

 

If I were cross shopping for a "need to wear a helmet car" at this price range, I could be very tempted by the Atom 3.5R.

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Atom is a very nice thing but it would be advisable to never drive a 311. Atom handling is very '911 like' and consequently requires mastery of unorthodox driving techniques. Personally I find trying to master orthodox ones challenging enough!

Each to their own of course but the Lotus will be night and day better to drive in my honest opinion. Should be considerably quicker too. Never come up against an Atom that could trouble my Caterham on a trackday yet. Fast on the straights though I'll give them that!

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I think every Lotus owner would like a 311 but most understandably will struggle on some level with the price and I totally agree. When we see what goes into the cars at the factory I am amazed they can produce any of their cars for the selling price and make a reasonable profit and when considering 311 311's will bring in circa £2.8m at sale allowing for a mix of race/road and additional speccing, I'm not sure this covers devolpment directly. Of course its a development car for future road going cars so the cost is offset there but still a lot of car for the money, we've just got used to being able to buy fabulously specced and reliable/quality mainstream cars for a fraction of the price but they are shifting millions of those so economy of scale is key.

I'm looking forward to chasing Jonny around Spa (not the N/S as he has larger men bits) next year perhaps :-)

Trevor.

I'll get around to it at some point.

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Mono isn't quicker than a Caterham with the same 280bhp duratec, possibly not quite as quick. Very cool cars obviously but they don't race them so they are not proven in that sense nor being developed as quickly. The 311 I imagine will race in the Lotus Cup series and is based on real race development from the CupR and the likes of Gavsn Kershaw who still races competitively himself. Lots of clever people behind the Mono but there's no tougher test than racing. It really does improve the breed!

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http://www.4lot.us/3eleven has been updated with more pics and info :)

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Is there anyway to we get a good picture of the TFT screen... I'm surprised Lotus did not see fit to snap a pic or two in the studio. I can't make sense of the display layout and it would be a good indication of some things to come out of Hethel 

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I've the hands of a surgeon... :lol:

 

Seriously, I take about 20kgs of kit to these events nowadays and they include a nice tripod and what is referred to as a 'slider' which goes on top of the tripod, one of these...

 

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