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Design-wise, I feel the latest McLaren productions have made plenty of sport cars dated, and the 3-11 clearly step-up the Lotus game (I'd change the headlights to thinnest ones)

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its an interesting question..... i think the exige is due a face lift 2016?

 

how the hell you shoe horn doors into the complex sides of the 3-11 is going to be tough ask BUT they should try as it looks like an expensive bit of kit like that....its also v modern styling and areo without being silly and modern is precisely where lotus should be. the sides and back end are really very, very good imho....   

 

the cheap plastic side-pods, dash, quality of plastics  etc is going to be a limiting factor in upping the ticket price on the existing exige v6 and selling in size.  they recognized this on the evora i assume they therefore they recognize this on the exige. 

 

 the 3-11with a swooping roof it will look even more valuable, aggressive and accessible. the styling continues the departure away from the long lotus trend pre v6 exige. there is no shrink wrapping here, no rounded lines just as many straight lines as possible blended / balanced in that specifically accentuate size and presence .... not hide it.....  

 

i jumped from s1 elises, exiges to the v6 exige because for me the v6 wasnt just an elise coupe package with a wing (but does have a completely useless wing lol ). i saw the exige v6 as a mule, its change in styling philosophy, the big lump in the back  and ordered one immediately. its price level was another category and there were risks with the company. but lots of others did the same thing too which shows there's really strong appetite for the right product ... its been a great success and has to a certain extent put the co back on the map. the the product needs to keep moving on.... 

 

if i could get that 3-11 with a roof, wipers, a/c and a radio i would order it today. bet im not the only person globally thinking that either... 

 

i certainly know JP and i would rolling around tussling on the  B&C forecourt  over who would get theirs first :))) surely a good thing for lotus ?  

 

gt4 ? don't make laugh ! marque comparisons to this exige would start with an M or an F not P or Zzzzzz ...

I get your point, the exige is supposed to get a slightly wider and lower silled tub next year but a roofed version of the 3-11 would not be a restyled Exige S. It would be an entirely new car, it would have a new chassis ; the engine bed/rear section would be a carry over but over than the lights up front, every single bit of skin would be new alongside with the cockpit. However if a coupe based on the 3-11 lines would be one good looking machine, a serious departure from the present design which is just a lengthened Elise. Indeed it would be a great way to reposition the Exige.   

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The aero sculpting would look amazing on an Exige and would make the car more exotic. I particularly like the extra air outlets next to the headlights. However there is no precedent from the 211 in terms of styling influence over the fixed roof car. Having said that the 340R did preview the Elise S2 lights. But I still think it's doubtful that much of the 311 will end up in the new Exige but I'm hoping the styling won't change much anyway, I'm hoping Mrs Pits won't notice that I've changed my car!

 

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 I'm hoping Mrs Pits won't notice that I've changed my car!

 

:D

 

 

lol, that was my plan going from a Titanium Storm/Red Elise to a Carbon/Venom Exige Roadster.... Didn't work :(

 

I think the exhaust note may have given it away :D

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Damn, I wish Lotus would stop bringing out cars I want, I may have to remortgage!

 

Michael, while I understand your comment about the Evora400 sales figures being the important one, I think you underestimate cars like the 2-11, 3-11. The old man says their margins on the 2-11 outstripped selling multiple models of any other car at the time, so the 3-11 should be a money maker, making it equally important as the Evora 400 IMHO (at least till they are all sold). The money made on them (which should be substantial having smaller development costs and a high price) will really help development of other models. 

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Kimbers, my question about Evora 400 sales wasn't connected to the 3-11. The 3-11 looks like it's going to be a real hit and will add 150 - 160 or so cars to the sales figures for each of the next two years, but JMG wants to get to 3000 units p.a. pretty sharpish, so the Evora 400 needs to hit the ground running too.

 

I've absolutely no idea if Evora 400 orders to date are showing it to be an instant sales hit or not, hence the question to "insider" Bibs (or anyone else for that matter).

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The more I look at...the less I like it's sides and rear design.

I understand it wants to be innovative and aerodynamic, but it ends to be simply "strange" to my eyes (that didn't happen with 340 and 211)

At that price (> 120000 euro expected for a road version in my country) I need to fall in love with the car's design as well as with the astonishing performances it is capable of...and a windscreen and a little soft top for the road blasts without the use of an helmet which takes away half of the fun.

Hope they will transfer the engine upgrade, the LSD, the shorter gears to the next Exige Cup...keeping the look of the second as similar to the present as it is possible!

PS. I'm beginning to look at Caterham CSR260 market: very rare birds especially LHD but less than half the price of a 311, certainly not much slower up to 120 mph and paradoxically more practical for fast road use (send a PM if you sell one!)

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Sorry Giorgiozetta but I disagree. I think your comparing a McDonalds Cheeseburger (Caterham) with a prime Aberdeen Angus rib eye steak in a brioche bun with freshly fried onions.

Both are basically burgers......

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Damn, I wish Lotus would stop bringing out cars I want, I may have to remortgage!

 

Michael, while I understand your comment about the Evora400 sales figures being the important one, I think you underestimate cars like the 2-11, 3-11. The old man says their margins on the 2-11 outstripped selling multiple models of any other car at the time, so the 3-11 should be a money maker, making it equally important as the Evora 400 IMHO (at least till they are all sold). The money made on them (which should be substantial having smaller development costs and a high price) will really help development of other models. 

 

 

wasn't the 2-11 far closer to its originating derivative than the 3-11 which is basically a completely new car? ie its going to be expensive unless they carry over everything to say the new exige and it therefore basically becomes a development platform for it?

 

 

 

agree that if you want 3k plus volume a year it the evora and elige that will get you to those numbers (eventually).....

 

Can anyone confirm the wheelbase of the 3-11? is it actually the same as the current v6 exige or longer? 

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Overall length maybe differnent with the body hang but wheel base will be the same as the V6 exige is.

The mechanicals will be the same as the V6 cupR Diego, so same as 2-11 in the sense its wearing its party frock or should that be bikini?

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The Exige hasn't the room up front for the chargecooler rads etc, the 3-Eleven is significantly re-engineered for this. 

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The Exige hasn't the room up front for the chargecooler rads etc, the 3-Eleven is significantly re-engineered for this.

That is a good news for the next Exige...I think the front clam is the best "new" part of the 311

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Silverstone lotus have taken orders for 4 so far .

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Overall length maybe differnent with the body hang but wheel base will be the same as the V6 exige is.

The mechanicals will be the same as the V6 cupR Diego, so same as 2-11 in the sense its wearing its party frock or should that be bikini?

 

thanks

The Exige hasn't the room up front for the chargecooler rads etc, the 3-Eleven is significantly re-engineered for this. 

 

 

would it not be fair to assume the changes will just be carried over to the exige? 

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Not right now, it involves a whole redesign of the front end.

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All of which suggests that the new front end on the Evora 400 is form following function.

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If it's a completely new chassis it is still based on the small platform underpinings the Elise and Exige by the look of the tub. 

 

Sticking a roof to it would mean adding doors, a windshield, a rear window... which would mean extra weight and fitting the car with A/C, windscreen wipers, some form of interior however spartan... the car would then be much heavier...

 

Doors? Why?

 

I see a carbon hardtop with a light-weight race glass similar to the optional tonneau panel, connected somehow towards the front, possible to open right up from the back with a handle where the roll bar cover is. All you would have to do, is lift the roof up, jump in the car and pull the roof down with you when you sit down. Not rocket science exactly, and hardly more than 20-30 kg extra. Think this could even improve the aero of the car actually as well as give it an even cooler look + an additional audience for that kind of car immediately... 

 

Windscreen wipers is the only area I see they would have to be "conventional" to make it work out and include that in the design of this somehow, but apart from that, who says you would need A/C which is even optional today in e.g. the Exige??

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good news. but interesting priority's here. have they already written off the evora400 before its press actual launch ? 

 

a dirty evora mule at GFoS (which i believe is now 'the' place to convert into sales as opposed to traditional car shows) and all eyes on a newer ultra low volume product all press reports on a SUV due 2019 and JMG doing a DB and promising more and more new products very soon.

 

they are either total geniuses or completely stupid. only time will tell.....

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good news. but interesting priority's here. have they already written off the evora400 before its press actual launch ? 

 

 

I believe they are limiting production of 311's to 150 in year. So 3 months production is "only" around 45 cars. This leaves plenty of capacity for Evora400's which will no doubt outsell 311's, especially if they can sell them into the US.

 

Of course the Exige/Elise was much more loved in the US, and if a potential Exige 400 can meet the legislative requirements by taking lessons learnt in the Evora400 platform state side, I'm sure Lotus would be pretty busy fulfilling pent up US demand for a year or two.

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I hope it's not true but it's quite a persuasive conspiracy theory Diego.

 

You'd have thought Lotus would have learned by now that it's going to be a real struggle to offer an alternative to the 911 with loose change for a development budget. The Evora is a thing of wonder from the available resources, it really is, but it's a brilliant answer to a problem that doesn't exist. And you just don't get any points in the real world for doing an amazing job with a small budget. I suspect the 400 is the last roll of the dice for the Evora, I really hope it finds some buyers, it deserves to sell in far greater numbers but I suspect the obstacles that have inhibited Evora sales to date will not be overcome by a power increase and a few styling tweaks.

 

Good to hear the 311 is going well already. Having driven the V6 Cup today the mind boggles as to what that's going to be like to drive. With 105 more bhp and somewhere around 250kg less it'll be barking mad on the road for sure. It looks quite smart and refined for a track day car in the pictures but it's going to an absolute rabid animal to drive. A proper wonky-eyed, foaming at the mouth nut job!

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its not a conspiracy JP.... just an observation.... 

 

i would have had 3 different color (sedate to wild custom)  Evora400s on the stand and used the 311 to get attention to those not had the 311 center piece. the 'uninitiated' will not give a crap about an evora mule. and its the uninitiated you need to sell it to. I would have had a mule evora400 'cup' cammoed up (just a stripped out 400- ceramics and lowered with carbon tat) sitting out there called concept (get out clause). 

 

onto the exige. that was a new signature orange but tucked away inside.... a lovely color you couldn't see because the silly crate inside the small stand blocked out all natural light. 

 

very frustrating as we all want them to do well but ......

 

the ultra low volume 311 (a track car) stole everything else s thunder (and its PR was specifically designed to do so) .... v odd behavior! 

 

i think the 311 is fantastic but its the elige and evora sales volume that will make the real p&l.

 

so whats the game plan? 

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Isn't there some weird Goodwood tradition involving pre-prod prototypes? Regardless, it was a bit half-arsed for the Evora 400, I agree entirely, they should have and could have done so much more for an important new car in front of a very key audience. No doubt budgetary constraints were a factor and maybe the 'lunch launch specialists' advised that they should focus on the 311 for maximum impact and there is an argument in favour of that. So many new cars fighting for attention at Goodwood these days. Better to get one car noticed than a whole range ignored as is the case with many well funded exhibitors.

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