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Hi all,

 

I wonder if some of you Evora drivers would be kind enough to answer some questions that I have please?  I have done as much research as I can (including reading the long term tests on here), but few things are as useful as real life testimonies from actual owners who have spent time living with their cars.

 

I have been struggling to find something with which to replace my Z4 Coupe for a while now.  Its been a great car - quick, frugal and superb to drive.  However, it is on 19" wheels, with Bilstein B8s and Eibach springs, with polybushed front arms, which makes it tiring to drive on long motorway jaunts as it is stiff, raw and noisy.  Also, being of 2007 vintage it lacks Blutooth connectivity and sat nav, which I am now really starting to miss as I spend a fair bit of time in the car travelling to see clients, which is currently dead time as I cannot make calls.

 

The car is to be my daily and will be doing around 15k a year - 10k personal and 5k business.  Most of my driving is in town or on motorways, but I do get the occasional back road blast and would like to have a daily that I could use for a few European adventures and Petrolhead Nirvana tours.  My budget will be low thirties, so at the entry level really.

 

An Evora may seem a rather odd choice given its primary duties, but I love leftfield cars and am used to a sporty set up.  I did look at a 430d on lease but just couldn't bring myself to run something so anodyne.  I hate to follow the crowd and prefer things that are unusual.

 

So now you know a little about my situation, my queries are:

 

- How does the car behave on motorway driving and how is the sound proofing in the cabin?  Do you get a lot of road noise and tyre roar? 

 

- How reliable have you found your cars if used on a daily basis?

 

- Does the non-supercharged Evora feel a little lacking in torque for motorway cruising or is it okay?

 

- If anyone drives their car to business meetings, how do your clients react to it?  

 

Any input you could provide would be very gratefully received.  I will look to arrange a test-drive soon, but given the rarity of the cars there aren't currently many cars in my area, so thought the next step would be to start speaking to existing owners.

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Hi James,

 

Firstly welcome to the Forums. Good choice coming here with questions. I think that's pretty much how we all started out, and very few of us dont end up buying an Evora. :)

 

As a side note, mines a daily drive 2010 NA and does probably 18k a year.

 

 

 

- How does the car behave on motorway driving and how is the sound proofing in the cabin?  Do you get a lot of road noise and tyre roar? 

 

It all depends on the specification, and what you're used to. I used to have a Z4 (2009+ model) and I get less roadnoise in the Evora. That said, that was mainly with horrid runflats.... Also dont forget, you can have a choice of different exhausts from Lotus, ranging from the quiet one I 'currently' have, and a Lotus Sports Exhaust. Either way, never 'in-coaching' on daily driving.

 

 

- How reliable have you found your cars if used on a daily basis?

 

It's never missed a beat. Ever. Ignore the whole LOTUS acronym. It doesnt exist with my Evora atleast.

 

 

- Does the non-supercharged Evora feel a little lacking in torque for motorway cruising or is it okay?

 

Only if you've had a supercharger before. I never thought my NA lacked power, until I drove an Exige V6 Roadster. But I was only too happy to get back into my NA Evora after two weeks. It might not have the supercharge torque, but it doesnt feel like it s a bad car without it :) 

 

 

- If anyone drives their car to business meetings, how do your clients react to it?  

 

I'm an external consultant, so probably the best example possible! I'm sure there are some (hidden) comments of 'overpaid external', to which I happily would respond 'No, just really bad at spending wisely'. Probably not a great answer, seeing as I work in finance.... But the always gets folks talking and in positive ways. Never anything negative :) 

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Used mine as a daily driver and found car to be as comfortable as previous exec saloons. Quite often did 300 miles in a day. Had a 3.0 Z4 on large wheels and know where you're coming from tiring drive. Evora wipes the floor with it.

With Bluetooth and satnav it was also very practical for work.

Clients loved the car, with one customer moving some of their cars so I could park in a safer place !!!

Go for it :)

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Thank you Kalli and DJW - that was a quick response.  That all sounds very promising.  I was naturally attracted to the supercharged version initially, but thinking about it perhaps the NA would be enough as a daily.  A recent experience with a speed camera van in the Zed has made me question my need for an even faster car.  On the public highway these days opportunities to even partially explore modern cars' performance are sadly lacking and it only takes a momentary lapse of judgement to get yourself in trouble.  

 

Also good to hear that it doesn't upset your clients.  I run a small financial advisory practice specialising in wealth management, so am a little cautious about what I turn up in, as some people have a real chip on their shoulder about sports cars.  To be fair I am now at the point where most of my clients have been with me for years so I don't think they would be put out as they all know I am a car nut, though I was leaving a meeting in the South East the other day and my client's neighbor who was leaning over her front gate saw my car and asked my client dryly 'did you pay for that'?!  Thought that a bit rich as I was sat in my 8 year old Z4 whilst she was leaning over the gate of her £600,000 house, but was a reminder that some people get the hump over what you drive! 

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You'll get a much more friendly MPG in an NA over the S too! :D

 

I drove to Frankfurt and back all in a 36 hour period in my first Evora S. Very comfortable drive, although emptying a tank in 45 mins on the autobahn did get tiring :lol:

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The Evora community is also very active (albeit small!) and is by far the best group i've been with. 

 

Definitely a good idea for an NA then. It's a bit better on fuel (the S overfuels for cooling purposes aswell) and has all the power you 'need'. I rarely have an opportunity I cant take when overtaking. Furthermore, you dont have the expense of the rear tyres (substancially more for S tyres than NA due to wheel size) and so on. 

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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lotus-Evora-3-5-VVT-i-V6-2-2-42-900-Miles-/251891476801?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3aa5e6e941#ht_1289wt_1399

 

Oakmere is probably your local dealer.....

 

pop in.....test drive one......you'll love it.......

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lotus-Evora-3-5-V6-Supercharged-GTE-1-of-6-RHD-300-miles-/251890040308?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3aa5d0fdf4#ht_1943wt_1399

 

just a link to a couple of examples.....

 

one just a little more expensive than the other....and both at your local dealer.....

cheers

G

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Hi James,

 

 

Welcome to TLF. I'll try and answer your questions with my opinion:-

 

1. I use my Evora as a daily car. It's very comfortable on a long journey. You may want to opt for the 18" fronts and 19" rears as found on most NA's, rather than the 20", which may make ride a little stiffer.

2. In my opinion, I think the torque is OK but nothing brilliant. I also have an Esprit V8 which has loads of torque and also an Audi A5 3.0TDi, which has even more torque, so I was a little surprised when I drove my Evora home after picking it up with the torque. I got caught out a few times in the wrong gear (6th) on the motorway. After a few days and changing my driving style for the Evora, it's great, you just need to knock it down a gear or two. You may not know but it's quite highly geared for a petrol car. It will easily do over 100 in 3rd gear and top, 80 is only 2K revs. So if you bear this in mind then you'll have nothing to worry about.

3.With regards to image and what clients think. I use mine to go to design and client meetings. I always receive a positive response unlike my Esprit. I don't know why that it but it's definitely a nice response and people do ask questions about it. For some reason, the Esprit tends to get people's backs up when I used to turn up at meetings, even though I paid nearly £10K more for the Evora than Esprit!

4. As for reliability, I had a few minor issues in the first 4 weeks and I put this down to it not being used regularly before. the first week, driver's door handle came off in my hand. Rang my dealer to only find out that it was a recall but mine had already been replaced. So I fixed and modified this myself and handle has been fine ever since. Tailgate struts were weak and wouldn't hold tailgate up. £40 for a pair which is cheap as chips. Tailgate wouldn't open on and stay open on button. Turned out to be rubber stoppers needed adjustment, no cost. Leak in cabin, air-con drain pipes blocked. Undertray off and no cost fix. So considering the problems I've had, it hasn't cost me which is the main thing.

5. Running costs, I am in my early 40's insurance based on 11K with wife added and business cover with protection NCB costs me £300 with Esure. Daily running costs, car was achieving around 23MPG but I wasn't doing much motorway mileage. I added a decat pipe and for some reason, my MPG went up to 28MPG doing the same style driving. Servicing is approx. £250 minor and £400-500 major (every 4 years) from a dealer.

 

I hope this helps,

 

 

David

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Welcome James,
Using the Evora as a business car I had never any problems with clients. In Germany the Evora is no typical status-car like a 911, normally you are rated as a "very interested in sports-cars guy" but in no way negative. Esp when you answer how many dealers around etc, they all know you are not " Joe average" and interested in an exotic car and not in Showing off. (Client was laughing when after a meeting the oppenent asked to hear the engine....)
On higher speeds it is a little bit difficult to use the phone, but otherwise it works well as a business car. Because of the air con and esp the seats you could drive long distances (in a suit) and will arrive in good shape, not tired.
The Evora is a rare opportunity to put some fun in your business but not crossing the border to "non suitable" I have my Evora for nearly 3 years and would buy it again, no question, for me she is the most exciting car I could justify as a business car, when I ordered it the Exige S was presented but that one would be too much track orientated and I really need the space of the 2 plus 2.

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Evening guys,

 

Thank you for being so welcoming and for sharing your experiences.

 

What are people getting around town and on a run generally with their Evora NA or S (thanks for your figurs BTW Dave)?  MPG isn't really an issue to me, but nice to know what to expect.  I have been quite spoiled with my Z4 - it is very economical and round town averages low twenties in heavy traffic, mid twenties in light traffic and just over 30mpg on a long cruise at sensible but brisk motorway speeds.  I have noticed on Autotrader the Evoras advertise do not denote 'NA' or 'S', but the power output listed under the technical specification section states it.  If anything I am a little hesitant about the S simply due to the power, as I need my license for my work and its all too easy in a capable car to land yourself in trouble with the plod if you have a lapse of restraint on a tempting road.  As Kalli mentioned, the NA is realistically quite quick enough I am sure.

 

From my research it would appear that as a business user and daily driver, the tech and premium packs are essential, whilst the sport pack is more desirable than a deal breaker.

 

Pressing on a little on the Autobahn were you Bibs?!  Would be rude not to I guess...

 

Thanks Gareth - I noticed that Oakmere were pretty nearby in Northwich so might give them a call and pay them a visit.  Do they have a good reputation on here? I think the GTE they have may be pushing the budget a little unfortunately. ;)

 

Superdave - thats odd that a decat improved your MPG.  Never hear do of that before.  Lovely stable you have by the way.

 

Snoopy - it must take particular dedication to run a Lotus in Germany?  A bit like the equivalent of a Brit running an Artega GT back in the UK I imagine.

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The mpg figures you quote will be similar to the Evora, but you should get a bit better on the motorway. Mid 30s is easily achieved.

Agree with snoopy that using the phone is difficult at higher speeds as the cabin is a bit noisier than you average eurobox, but it's not like holding a conversation with a passenger is an issue. I use mine for work as well, always goes down well.

Sport pack is worth having and out of the 3 it will be the one that makes resale very difficult. You won't find many without and if you ever plan to sell my advice would be to stay clear of cars without it.

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Do it James, great cars that are amazing to drive, they are fairly cheap to run for what they are and low depreciation is an added bonus.

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I've just moved from a Z4M into an Evora (admittedly an S, but bear with me).  

I'd had my Z for 6 years, which is the longest I've ever kept a car.  It did everything I wanted, was a bit of a "Q" car, and would handle everyday duties and some more "progressive" driving with equal aplomb.

 

When I felt the need to change, I kept coming back to the Evora as the "logical" next step. Why?

 

OK, let's get the 6 year old boy at the cinema bit out of the way.  It was the first film I can remember seeing, and the first time I wanted "that" car, a specific make, a recognisable marque and not just "the fast car"  in the movie.  Shortly after that, my Dad's boss had one, and after a passenger ride, that was it.  Sold.

 

 

So, back to reality.  

 

 
In all honesty, it's no noisier than the Z you're coming from - maybe a little more wind noise at speed, but again, I couldn't use the BT above 60 previously unless on a wired earbud.  Road noise on the motorway is definitely less - to my ears anyway and I was running standard tyres, not run flats.

 

I've previously been in the NA and could not fault it at all.  The gearing felt bang on, and in all honesty I was tempted to save a few quid (and more if you account for mpg etc) but little head won the argument.  Either car will give you massive enjoyment.

 
It's turned up at a few meetings now, and I need to be honest here, the reactions are mixed - but largely positive.  When you point out that you're paying "3 series money", most of the negative comments stop dead.  At the end of the day, and at the risk of sounding uncharacteristically "street": "Haters are gonna hate".  As I say, these are usually in the minority and to be honest usually from the type you would expect anyway - they would be equally as judgemental if you turned up in a new Beemer.
Positive reactions are very much the norm however.  I still get asked for a passenger ride if there's time by some clients, and most of the team I work with are just blown away by it.  
 
I'm only two months in to ownership, and apart from the hateful ICE, have had zero issues.
 
Having had 2 seats and economic stowage for the last six years, my idea of practical may not follow the everyday, but in all honesty - you can fit a bucket load of stuff in one of these things.  I'm in a 2+0 and the buying guides/advice seems to be that this will hurt resale, but on the flip side I can fit a daft amount of luggage behind me compared to the Z.  And that's before I pop the boot.  My annual Le Mans pilgrimage is looking positively luxurious!
 
Niggles:  Having to push the drivers seat back every time I get in and out to avoid scuffing the sill.  The Alpine Sat Nav is heinous. 
 
Other cars I looked at?  
 
911 (sorry everyone) verdict: great car, but meh, felt a bit "so what"
Nissan GTR verdict:  OK, I'm going to kill myself and man is this thing BIG!
Aston V8 Vantage: Ouch-ka-bibble costs, and nowhere near as rewarding to drive
M3 Coupe V8:  Great car, but heavy and not as involving (they should have stuck with a six)
 
Everything else about this car has made me smile, and I do not regret the decision to move to the Lotus.  It drives better, rides better, handles better and makes me smile every time I open the garage door.  

Go for it, you won't regret it.

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Hi James,

 

Thanks for the comments. Unfortunately I am down 1 car as I was rear ended last Thursday!

On the motorway, I can get 33-34 MPG averaging 75-80.

With regards to power and acceleration on the NA, it's no slouch, it's 4.9 to 60 which is pretty good for a car that returns that sort of MPG.

 

Regards,

 

 

 

David

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Hi James,

 

Firstly welcome to the Forums. Good choice coming here with questions. I think that's pretty much how we all started out, and very few of us dont end up buying an Evora. :)

 

As a side note, mines a daily drive 2010 NA and does probably 18k a year.

 

 

It all depends on the specification, and what you're used to. I used to have a Z4 (2009+ model) and I get less roadnoise in the Evora. That said, that was mainly with horrid runflats.... Also dont forget, you can have a choice of different exhausts from Lotus, ranging from the quiet one I 'currently' have, and a Lotus Sports Exhaust. Either way, never 'in-coaching' on daily driving.

 

 

It's never missed a beat. Ever. Ignore the whole LOTUS acronym. It doesnt exist with my Evora atleast.

 

 

Only if you've had a supercharger before. I never thought my NA lacked power, until I drove an Exige V6 Roadster. But I was only too happy to get back into my NA Evora after two weeks. It might not have the supercharge torque, but it doesnt feel like it s a bad car without it :)

 

 

I'm an external consultant, so probably the best example possible! I'm sure there are some (hidden) comments of 'overpaid external', to which I happily would respond 'No, just really bad at spending wisely'. Probably not a great answer, seeing as I work in finance.... But the always gets folks talking and in positive ways. Never anything negative :)

 

Very interesting Kalli thanks, 

 

I'm currently considering whether i could have the evora as an only car for a bit (well, still got a VX220, but that doesn't count and the wife's CLK cab and that doesn't count either)

 

Do you have the long or the CR box. Ive gone for a car with the CR box and wonder if that might be a bit of a mistake for a daily. 

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I run a small financial advisory practice specialising in wealth management, so am a little cautious about what I turn up in, as some people have a real chip on their shoulder about sports cars.

 

A politician in Australia was set up by a student at a question day (primed by dad no doubt) as to did he think it right that he drives a Ferrari? His answer to her was that he had the Ferrari before he got into politics and worked really hard to get it.

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Morning all,

 

Thanks for all your replies.  Will have a proper read through when I get a minute this morning.

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Go get one James -soooo much more style that the run of the mill bmws

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James

 

http://www.thelotusforums.com/forums/topic/73207-evora-gte-showcase-oakmere-lotus/

 

your local dealer is having a champagne reception tonight......to celebrate the GTE.....

and I'm sure you could 'pop' along if you're free....

 

cheers

G

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JG - Certainly livable as a daily. Infact, more than livable. I'd refuse to go back to a hatchback or something. The Evora does it, but with panache. 

 

I've got the close ratio box so the mpg is a little lower than some, but I much prefer the car with it, compared to without. 

 

To give you an idea, I live in Gatwick, I commute to Milton Keynes each week (180 miles roundtrip) and about 25 miles a day ontop, and also still enjoy my evening blats for stress-relief. It does everything I could ever ask for. 

 

To give you a comparison, I had an Exige S V6 Roadster a couple of weeks ago. The car was ballistic and reminded me in every way of the VXT I had. After 5 days of my normal commute, I found myself noticing my back posture more than usual, my arms were tired, my clutch foot was aching, and my ears were ringing.

 

I actually longed to get back into the Evora as soon as possible, despite being substancially heavier and having 80bhp less.

 

Simply put; if you're even thinking of an Evora, just get one. The rest will take care of itself within one drive :D  

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Thanks Kalli, That puts my mind at ease a bit. 

 

Still a bit worried, i would prefer the normal box over the CR. I find the final drive on the VX annoyingly low especially since its been supercharged, and thats about 25mph per 1000rpm

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You can drive mine on Sunday  :thumbsup:

Perhaps a drive to Sunningdale?

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Thanks Kalli, That puts my mind at ease a bit. 

 

Still a bit worried, i would prefer the normal box over the CR. I find the final drive on the VX annoyingly low especially since its been supercharged, and thats about 25mph per 1000rpm

 

Kalli put it best - it's a great car to live with. My "daily" is a BMW 4-series and I actually find the Evora more comfortable. That sounds silly but in reality it isn't!

 

Not sure which box I have, but my 1st goes to 41mph/65kph, and 2nd goes to 75mph/121kph. Short enough for blistering acceleration in first, but second is usable on every urban road here in Australia without struggling or overworking the engine.

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