Edison Ngu Posted August 15, 2016 Report Share Posted August 15, 2016 On 2/26/2016 at 19:08, quantum2000 said: Had mine done yesterday. 2015 Exige V6 CR Hi, may i know where did you get this done? How much does it cost normally? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisc Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 What camber settings do you get with all the shims removed but abs bracket left in? And are the the same passenger and drivers side? As the shims are not the same both sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold FFM CocoPops Posted August 23, 2016 Gold FFM Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 @JG220 looks like you were not alone in wanting more camber... Quote Current: 2021 Lotus Elise Cup 250 FE in Isotope Green, Red Alcantara Interior, Carbon Aero Kit, AirCon, Carpets & Mats, NVH pack, Cruise Control, Stereo, Red Calipers. Now Gone: 2018 Lotus Elise Sport 220 in Metallic Blue, Alcantara Pack, Forged Wheels, 2piece brakes, AirCon, Hard/Soft Tops, Red Calipers, Stereo, Interior Colour Pack, NVH Pack, Carpets, Mats. Previously Owned: 2016 Lotus Evora 400, 2010 Lotus Evora NA, 2003 VX220 Supercharged, 2001 VX220 Lightning Yellow Follow my Lotus journey here: http://www.FaceBook.com/HandmadeInHethel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NW76 Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Hi Chris, I meanwhile got my data form the shop that did the adjustment: Front Camber: -0.733 degrees (left) -0.566 (right) and Rear Camber: -1.733 degrees (left and right) I am not sure if the shims are the same both sides but realized they gave me 5 shims (so 1 is left in the car?!?) When I asked why they left one. They reminded me that they asked me weather I usually drive alone on track or with a passenger before they did the adjustment and that they optimized for a driver only setting and therefore adjusted the front Camber different left & right to optimize the balance... Lotus Motorsports recomends that is what they told me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangar 111 Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Shims are in place to deal with manufacturing tolerances, and are of differing thicknesses, so each corner may be different, and each car may be different. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisc Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 I took out 5 x 1mm shims from the passengers side, and 2 x 1mm and 1 x 2mm from the drivers side. So 1mm more on the passengers side. Will give a tad more camber on the passengers side, but since tracks are clockwise, should be ok I should be able to get down and do an alignment tomorrow, but just checking what i should be expecting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Recently had some setup work done on the CupR, results below. Still have room for more negative camber both front and rear -- this was made possible by milling the front hubs and relocating the rear guide plate for the eccentric camplate. Edit: I should add that I'm running Yokohama slicks. Quote Jack2008 2-Eleven2015 Exige V6 CupR Track videos ... http://www.youtube.com/jackcup2010 Lotus Challenge Series ULTRA Class champion2012 Lotus CUP USA OPEN Class champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisc Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, Jack said: Recently had some setup work done on the CupR, results below. Still have room for more negative camber both front and rear -- this was made possible by milling the front hubs and relocating the rear guide plate for the eccentric camplate. How does it feel to drive? Only thing i would say, is with that much camber and fromt toe, it may heat up the edges a tad. I have a pyrometer just to keep an eye on where it will start wearing. looks good though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Much improved. I just edited my earlier post to reflect that my car is on slicks. We also went with some softer front springs, and it really helped with understeer mid-corner and corner exit. Quote Jack2008 2-Eleven2015 Exige V6 CupR Track videos ... http://www.youtube.com/jackcup2010 Lotus Challenge Series ULTRA Class champion2012 Lotus CUP USA OPEN Class champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freejack Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Jack, which spring rate are you driving and how did you manage the rear camber? Please excuse my/our questioning terrorism 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisc Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 10 minutes ago, Jack said: Much improved. I just edited my earlier post to reflect that my car is on slicks. We also went with some softer front springs, and it really helped with understeer mid-corner and corner exit. Must be some mid corner/exit speed to understeer on slicks and with almost 3 degrees! Awesome cars! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold FFM JG220 Posted August 23, 2016 Gold FFM Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Three out from each side and its a world of improvement. (That's -1.5deg) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freejack Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 All shims out were -1,00 at my V6. With new steering arms everything was adjutable. More than -2,00 brought dis-advantages on brakes, means means longer braking distance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Chrisc said: Must be some mid corner/exit speed to understeer on slicks and with almost 3 degrees! Awesome cars! The problem for me was the understeer at relatively slower corners, where any aero benefits are nil. With ~2.5 negative camber up front (the most I could get with all shims + abs bracket out) and ~1mm of total toe out, trying to get on the gas early (i.e. before the apex or no later than the apex) at slower corners, the car would push. If that slower corner leads onto a nice straight away, lap times can suffer. 1 hour ago, Freejack said: Jack, which spring rate are you driving and how did you manage the rear camber? Please excuse my/our questioning terrorism Believe it or not, the stock spring rates for the CupR on the Ohlin TTXs is: Front--170Nm (~969 pound/in); rear--225Nm (~1282pounds/in). We tried 900 pound (~158Nm) and 850 pound (~149Nm) springs, settling on the 850s after testing. Rear camber adjustments are made by moving the rear pivot bolt within an eccentric camplate, the max we could get before relocating the guide plate (which requires some welding) was -2.6 degrees. We have yet to determine whether we will stick with -2.9 in the rear or go with more or less negative …… more testing required. Regarding rear camber adjustment, probably this photo will help explain what I'm trying to say -- after all, they say a picture is worth a 1000 words. 2 Quote Jack2008 2-Eleven2015 Exige V6 CupR Track videos ... http://www.youtube.com/jackcup2010 Lotus Challenge Series ULTRA Class champion2012 Lotus CUP USA OPEN Class champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NW76 Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 2 hours ago, Chrisc said: I took out 5 x 1mm shims from the passengers side, and 2 x 1mm and 1 x 2mm from the drivers side. So 1mm more on the passengers side. Will give a tad more camber on the passengers side, but since tracks are clockwise, should be ok I should be able to get down and do an alignment tomorrow, but just checking what i should be expecting. Interesting ... just checked ... my shims are 2 x 2mm and 1 x 1 mm on the left side and 2 x 2mm on the right side... @Jack thanks for all your patience in answering those questions ... not easy to find somebody really knowledgeable about those topics on Lotus... ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freejack Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 +1 Thank you Jack. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dani Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 On 27 de julio de 2016 at 16:18, geartox said: Front : toe : -0,06° camber : -0,8° caster : 2,8° ride height : 130mm Rear : toe : +0,6° camber : -2,10° rear height : 136mm From where did you get this data from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geartox Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 from lotus itself (service lotus notes) Quote - https://www.dailymotion.com/tracknsound - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulli Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 (edited) Hi all, I am thinking about removing the abs brackets to further increase front camber. I understand the abs brackets are there to mount abs cables and connectors. My questions to those of you who already have removed the abs brackets: Did you mount the cables and connectors in another way or just leave them unfixed? If so, did this cause any problems? Many thanks in advance, Ulli Edited April 26, 2017 by Ulli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alias23 Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 From memory I zip tied the cable to keep it secure 1 Quote www.alias23.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 ^^^ what Imran said. Just check that there is no strain on the wires by turning the hub assembly full lock in both directions while the wheel is off. Easy. I went the zip-tie route until getting the front hubs milled -- now I have added back some shims. With slicks, we are now running 2.9* negative up front... may remove one more shim (good for ~ .25*) based on tire wear and tire temps. 1 Quote Jack2008 2-Eleven2015 Exige V6 CupR Track videos ... http://www.youtube.com/jackcup2010 Lotus Challenge Series ULTRA Class champion2012 Lotus CUP USA OPEN Class champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulli Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 That sounds good, thanks a lot for the info! Do you remember if there is something more suitable than the springs to fix the zip-ties to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alias23 Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 Do you mean the shock springs??!!! If so then no way zip tie it to your springs... 1 Quote www.alias23.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulli Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 Don't get me wrong, I don't like this idea at all! At a first glance I had the impression there is nothing else that I could use, but I will have a closer look at it. I am pleased to read you seem to have found a much better solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 A-arm …. you will see it's rather obvious where to secure the sensor with a zip-tie once you remove the wheel. 1 Quote Jack2008 2-Eleven2015 Exige V6 CupR Track videos ... http://www.youtube.com/jackcup2010 Lotus Challenge Series ULTRA Class champion2012 Lotus CUP USA OPEN Class champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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