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I personally think its a good thing and there is definitely a mrket for them. The L&Co Zero looks well and suspiciously like the Lotus offering as mentioned above.

I was just checking Porsches 2019 production figures the other day. I knew they made more 4x4 than sports cars but didnt realise just what proportion it was. 274k vehicles produced in 2019, 54k were sports cars (911, caymen, boxter), a few panamera (cant remember the numbers) but the rest were the cayenne and macan! So only a 5th of their production is sports cars that mental. No wounder theyve all jumped on the band wagon.

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The Cayenne and Maccan have been carrying Porsche for years. And if the Cayenne was funded partially by VW at the beginning it now shares an undisclosed number of parts with hum :  the Maccan of course but also Touareg, Q7, Bentayga and Urus... The Cayenne is a cash cow, the entire VW group has been enjoying it for years.

In my mind if the SUV shares anything in the upcoming Volvo XC, Polestar 3 or 4, Lynk & Co Zero or Geely's own brand while still retaining visual Cues and the dynamic prowess. It is a win.As said, the factory should be nearing completion these days but despite China declaring itself in recovery mode from Covid 19, the work must have been halted for a little while as Wuhan was the first known hot spot of the pandemic. Still Geely group is one bullish group at the time being, they want to be seen as the driving force of China auto market  and compete with  the like of VW which strategy they are emulating quite closely but at a much faster pace. Since Geely purchased Volvo, their development has been unbelievably fast... They took their time in the first 6 years letting Volvo do its thing while they were learning their way but since then they have been on an almost constant blitzkrieg with new models being released at ridiculous pace. Look at their PR staff giving us a look at the Geely hub of the recently held Beijing Autoshow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Oxn6TZtDIE

Still I think the Autovisie piece is a bit off as I don't think Lotus really wants to take the spotlight away from Evija this year. But as soon as Evija is out the door being delivered to the lucky very few, I think they will start leaking stuff on the SUV. I still think it is going to be a 2022 product release, and will be the first of 3 Chinese manufactured and partially engineered for Lotus. The plan set forward by JMG evolved from one (Maccan class) to two SUVs ( Maccan and Cayenne classes) with a third model set to be a sporty luxury sedan (Panamera) that should now be also an EV so a Taycan competitor. With the announcement of Lotus LEVA upcoming platform Lotus has covered their basis for the sportcars and is recovering its status as an innovation leader but lets be honest, it is first and foremost a nice accolade and also nice of them to go after this funding as it proves the Geely group that they can go and get funding elsewhere even-though compared to the funding provided by the group it is almost symbolic. Still whould we have an upturn in the outlook Lotus will be set.

 

 

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IMO it sounds like they are just using the Lotus name for their performance SUV. Not saying Lotus isn't helping engineer it, but since its a shared platform their hands are kind of tied. You can't really use exotic materials and manufacturing techniques because those would be too expensive for the mass produced Geely and Volvo SUVs. It would have been interesting to see what Lotus could have done with a performance SUV if it didn't need to be shared. Would be interesting to see a different take on an SUV (as much as you can anyways).

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In my opinion, i do think that the Chinese article contains some misinformation regarding the architecture of the future vehicles to be manufactured at the new Wuhan factory. This misinformation is pretty classic when one has to inform a government body of things to be done in one future factory or place of business. It is not a straight out lie but you tend to inform them based on available information at the time, that in turns needs to be updated 3/6/9 months later.

I do think that the architecture for the future EV of Geely group premium/luxury brands (Lynk & Co, Volvo, Polestar, Geometry) is not going to be SPA which is by Geely's own standard going on a bit but the newly unveiled SEA (Sustainable Experience Architecture), on which the new Lynk & Co Zero intent prototype is based.

lynk-co-zero-concept-battery-and-powertr

 

SEA is EV baked as standard, but is direct evolution of SPA which would allow it to fit range extender (ICE) if needed. Essentially SEA is a skate that only has one hard point, the same hard point Volvo as used on SPA and CMA for the past 10 years, which is the front axle to firewall distance. That excluded anything can be fitted to the vehicles, double wishbones suspension front and rear, or multilink, or McPherson struts or  air suspension... It is all possible. SEA was designed as a skate that manufacturer could buy and put whatever they wish on top. As long as the ICE is able to fit in the compartment devoted to it, anything goes within reason. Reason pushes to believe that a 4 cyl inline is the most logical fit but a V6 at an angle would fit too if devoid of running anciliary belts... And since the SUV is to be hybrid that should be the case. 

Here's a rendering of Lynk & Co Zero

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Zero is now in testing phase and should go into production next year according to Geely higher ups. The spec sheet for the thing are no less than slightly mind boggling  for a run of the mill passenger car, not quite so for an EV but who the heck needs 544ps and a battery that could reach 700km on one charge (in the most perfect condition in a lab) even if a straight lie if it was able to do 400km on a quick charger you are suddenly able to go from Paris to Marseille with one single regular lunch stop, provided the line at  the charging station is not 4/5 cars.

The thing is Zero (render above) and project Lambda(patent sketch shown below) do share quite a lot visually and Zero and Lambda may actually also share a factory as supposedly Zero would be made in Wuhan alongside Geely's other premium EV products.

alleged-patent-drawing-for-lotus-suv--im

So maybe just maybe project Lambda will be a proper Lotus and not just a badging exercise, maybe just maybe the suspension wizzards at Hethel have had the full reins to define what the car should feel like when driven. visually the renders of the Lotus SUV were very good, for some reasons i do think that Zero is pretty interestingly similar not only in design but mostly proportion. But maybe Lambda is going to be something vastly different.

 

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On 14/10/2020 at 19:56, Likuid said:

IMO it sounds like they are just using the Lotus name for their performance SUV. Not saying Lotus isn't helping engineer it, but since its a shared platform their hands are kind of tied. You can't really use exotic materials and manufacturing techniques because those would be too expensive for the mass produced Geely and Volvo SUVs. It would have been interesting to see what Lotus could have done with a performance SUV if it didn't need to be shared. Would be interesting to see a different take on an SUV (as much as you can anyways).

I suspect many said the same about Porsche with the Cayenne when it piggy backed on the Touareg  / Q7 platform - it didn't do them any harm.

As regards what Lotus could do on their own - absolutely nothing. They don't have a suitable platform of their own and couldn't afford to design one never mind make it.

 

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11 hours ago, gregs24 said:

As regards what Lotus could do on their own - absolutely nothing. They don't have a suitable platform of their own and couldn't afford to design one never mind make it.

I merely meant that if Geely said "here's a blank check, make your own SUV." I know that is never going to happen, it was just more of a thought exercise. I mean not even Lamborghini was allowed to do that and they have much more cache than Lotus.

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Was the LM002 not a derivative of a military vehicle, originally with an American engine, that flopped? 

Paid for I think by Italian and US governments - then given to Lamborghini as a road vehicle as no-one wanted the military version. 

Has got the Countach engine though.

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Was that because it only had 1 forward and 6 reverse gears and spent most it's time wondering what side of the road to be on?

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the electric part of the Lotus SUV underpinnings is official entering  public testing phase:

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https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/electric-cars/new-lynkco-zero-electric-coupe-suv-beging-testing

That SUV, cause it is deemed to be an SUV looks very low to the ground to me... Zero is a skate that Geely Engineering teams to serve as a one stop shop for all brands of Geely group to use as they see fit, the Lynk & Co Zero seen above is therefore a demonstrator of this new "open source" architecture.

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I posted a description of this on the thread with the latest Lotus announcements earlier. I came across a curious picture when searching for the "new Esprit" in Google images prior to the Emira launch. Not seen this elsewhere and there are a few lines around the nose which make me wonder if this could be a patent image of the new Lotus SUV. 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/sNLmQ4LNjzVL31h57

Some similarity to the first SUV in the image released today in terms of the lights perhaps? However the image I captured does have door mirrors instead of cameras.

Apologies if this has been posted before or I've missed that it's an already well known vehicle!

 

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19 minutes ago, Gus82 said:

However the image I captured does have door mirrors instead of cameras.

May be they are visible with the engine on, ie a bit like Evija retractable?

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1 hour ago, Gus82 said:

I posted a description of this on the thread with the latest Lotus announcements earlier. I came across a curious picture when searching for the "new Esprit" in Google images prior to the Emira launch. Not seen this elsewhere and there are a few lines around the nose which make me wonder if this could be a patent image of the new Lotus SUV. 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/sNLmQ4LNjzVL31h57

Some similarity to the first SUV in the image released today in terms of the lights perhaps? However the image I captured does have door mirrors instead of cameras.

Apologies if this has been posted before or I've missed that it's an already well known vehicle!

 

That was the first render Lotus allowed the media to  get access too and is derived from the SUV project developped under JMG, hopefully it retains most of the design as it was a looker.

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The main image with the thin wide lights? There is an image below it of the often published mash up of the 3-Eleven and 70's Elite which has been circulated and reimagined lots over the years. However, the drawing in the main image is not one I've seen before.

The more I look above at the Lynk & Co Zero, it does look a lot like that with a longer front, Emira esque bonnet and the vents at the front ahead of the wheel arches (but ditching the main middle grill unnecessary for an electric vehicle). Even the shape of the recessed door handles matches the Lynk & Co car. The main thing which makes me think it could be some sort of patent image for the real car is the wide thin lights and the strong horizontal line across the front. The original image was also not on the website, as if it had been taken down but there was a cached image saved by Google.

I could be wrong though 😉

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So when do we think an announcement / teaser is likely for this new model, as then we can have threads about it and when folks have placed their orders....

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