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These Greestuff pads seem harder than I expected. I can't really judge them yet as they're not fully bedded in yet. I feel a dash up the Great Dividing Range coming on, and more importantly the dash back down again!

But at least the calipers are pretty.

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I didn't say they were soft, I said they were shit, that I thought I would crash many times and that they're truly awful.    If your pads are soft, you either have air in your brake hoses or need to

So it just must be I'm the only person who can make them work. The reason I use them and like them is the increased sensitivity and retardation on initial application. It's important to be able to b

I removed them from mine and fitted Mintex 1144, they're about a billion times better. I thought I was going to crash many times on the green stuff, they're truly awful. 

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As previously mentioned, I ran them for the last 4 years of my Esprit ownership, and was impressed with the results.

The guy who bought the car brought a test driver (Club Lotus) with him, who commented that they were the best brakes he'd ever sampled on any Lotus. (It did take me 3 rebuilds to get them that good), but the pads were Greenstuff.

 

EBC expressly do not recommend greenstuff for competition, and I wouldn't recommend them for pedal stompers, but spirited road driving, they give me the progressive feel I look for.

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They're still shit. Try some proper pads and you'll see. 

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I use them on the WRX but the Mintex are amazing on the Elise.

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I once bought an S1 111s with green stuff pads fitted, the journey home was without doubt my worst Lotus driving experience!

Quick change of pads & all was well...............

They are truly dire in my opinion! 

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I'm trying to picture Lewis Hamilton telling his race engineer:

they're truly awful.

without doubt my worst Lotus driving experience!

truly dire

[email protected]#g rubbish

Not helpful information.

​Or the one who claimed they were no good because he burnt out a set in 8 laps. Obviously failing to read the box, "not recommended for competition".

Since EBC Brakes launched its sport range in 1997 EBC Greenstuff brake pads have sold well over 3 million sets of performance automotive brakes all over the world and has become the number one selling EBC sport pad

 

If they were as bad as you suggest, they simply would no longer be available.

 

I've always found it useful to analyse the application before implementing a solution.

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So the opinions of the other drivers using them on the roads on here are incorrect because EBC sold 3 million sets in 18 years?

All we know is that when they stop making this, we will be properly, properly sad.Jeremy Clarkson on the Esprit.

Opinions are like armpits. Everyone has them, some just stink more than others.

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Please yourself.....

After all that's what Lotus ownership is all about to me "pleasing yourself" not others!

So in that mind let me reiterate they were when fitted to an Eluse in my opinion way beyond bad positively dangerous maybe on a much heavier vehicle with a different set-up they are fine?

I'm in no position to comment nor will I ever be!

Just my opinion based on my experience of them, if you're happy with them... Well that's great as I said above Lotus ownership is to me about pleasing yourself.

It's your funeral.........

Are you on commission?

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We are all free to have opinions, and to express them,

Your's seems to be they are too hard, Bibs was that they are too soft,

These are opinions, where I differ is when someone states an opinion as fact, with no supporting evidence.

Indecently these are harder than I expected, not too hard but more so than I expected, whereas on the Esprit they were maybe a bit on the soft side.

As I say, know your application, your vehicle and your own driving style, fit pads to accordingly.

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supporting evidence?

They were driving the cars with them on. Maybe that's not factual then?

All we know is that when they stop making this, we will be properly, properly sad.Jeremy Clarkson on the Esprit.

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I didn't say they were soft, I said they were shit, that I thought I would crash many times and that they're truly awful. 

 

If your pads are soft, you either have air in your brake hoses or need to compress the pad correctly during bedding in. 

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I didn't say they were soft, I said they were shit, that I thought I would crash many times and that they're truly awful.

That's it exactly.....

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Basically feel like wooden brake blocks - not pads

No feel.

No retardation to speak of.

So to keep things simple like Bibs says...

And to make it clear I have never ever used a car on circuit with green pads fitted.

Cannot comment on what Mr Hamilton uses, He's quick so may use Yellow pads

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So it just must be I'm the only person who can make them work.

The reason I use them and like them is the increased sensitivity and retardation on initial application.

It's important to be able to balance the car on entry, using either left or right foot, the feel is vital, more so on a short wheelbase car like the Elise. Brakes aren't just for stopping, they're a driver aid.

The comment I got on the Esprit brakes when I sold it, "The best brakes on any Lotus I have ever driven". Yes it was fitted with EBC Greenstuff. Though I am fussy, frequent caliper checks and rebuilds, never run pads more than 66% worn, never reuse retaing clips, springs or shims, always fit new ones.

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Further update:

TBH, they're a harder than I would like ideally, just a bit, but 90% less pedal pressure needed to pull it when compared to the  Remsa.

Bearing in mind I haven't put them through e "real" heat cycle yet, so that could change. And of course there's no servo, so I think it's probably, "Get used to it Roger".

​What I'm pleased with is the feel on initial retardation, right or left foot, allowing me to settle rather than slow the vehicle on entry.

It's a short wheelbase so balance is important, hence stomping on the pedal is a little brutal.

​I'm off up the mountains on Friday, I reckon to put a real heat cycle into them on the way down. So if there's a post from me on the 4th, the Greenstuff didn't kill me. :thumbup:

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erm....Ferodo every time for me......

not that Im biased.......I only worked in R&D....lol

 

its not so much that theyre the best.....it more about you don't wanna know what the others put in theirs....or where theyre made.....

 

the most worrying was we found stuff (high performance stuff) that when pushed...and having several heat cycles put through....would depart from the back plate......


ds2500 for the road cars..... 

ds11 if you want race spec pads....

ds1.11 if youre going the Carbon Ceramic route......

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I could remind myself of the time I set fire to a set of pads in under 3 laps at Eastern Creek Raceway. That was on an Elan fitted with Ferodo. And yes they had started lifting from the backing plate.

But it doesn't make all Ferodo pads rubbish, I means they were used for the wrong application.

The most worry thing for me, isn't the pads, it's some of the amateurs fitting them (a few professionals for that matter)

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Well I'm still alive and I've had my run now, and the pads are definitely bedded in.

I have the seating to my liking, the steering wheel, the pedal heights, the gear change, the clutch is a bit girlie, but it works. A lot of changes since buying it only back in May.

The brakes ? superb, TBH the Greenstuff are a smigg hard for me, but only marginally, they work well cold, I can just brush them to settle it into a corner, help move the wait forward for better turn, or just stamp on them and not lock the wheels.

So having charged up the side of the Great Dividing Range, and back down again, the backing plates are still untarnished bright green. So all within temperature range.

For what was something of a guess, because I knew nothing about the pads that came out of it, I reckon I was pretty much on the money.

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A funny thing happened on my way to the,,, I called in at our local Hydraulic / Brake specialist today, to confirm that my discs are too worn to machine and will need to be replaced.

On noticing that I run EBC pads he complimented me on my choice, of pad he really rates and uses himself.

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Welcome to TLF Andy. :welcome:

You should duck over to the Introductions thread and say hi in there as well. :) 

All we know is that when they stop making this, we will be properly, properly sad.Jeremy Clarkson on the Esprit.

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I had greenstuff on my old Bora, I'll never use them again!  I bought them as a cheap upgrade! Wrong, very wrong!  I had horrific brake fade on the motorway coming towards a roundabout slowing from 70 to a stop... I'll never take the cheap option again, factory are better, even VW factory.. Pagid are a clear winner in my eye but they cost a lot so the best compromise I've found are Mintex 1144 but they chuck out a fair bit of dust, my next set will be Pagid RS42 as I plan a couple of training days a possible euro trip and a couple of track days this year.  That said I do rate EBC discs with the Mintex as a decent all round set up.

Mark MacKenzie  Elise S2 135 Sport 

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