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I thought these car are supposed to be serviced every 6000 or 12 months which ever comes first?

I've just seen an advert that originally said FSH that's been amended to 'well serviced' yet the car is 20 years and only been serviced 4 times!

Also it's only had 1 B service, does this mean that it's only had 1 cambelt change over the last 20 years?

I have a 99MY V8 GT and I service it every year regardless of mileage. Last year I only did 100 miles but yet it's in PNM as we speak having a major (cambelt) service amongst other works. I have 16 service stamps which I thought all other Esprit should have.

Is it just me or do others think the same?

What's your perception on a well looked after car?

I welcome your thoughts and comments

Regards,

 

David

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That's a looooong was off a FSH! It's bordering on, if not actual neglect! 

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if its only done 24k miles then theyve probably decided that the service every 6000 miles is the way forward....rather than the more regular every 12 months version

I suppose if you give people who are not that bothered the choice, then they will choose the easiest and cheapest option.......whilst in their minds following the guidelines

these car are supposed to be serviced every 6000 or 12 months which ever comes first?

rather than which ever comes first....I think its which ever comes last.........:ermm:

The Faster You Drive...The Slower You Age

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Assuming I don't go over the lotus mileage threshold, I have mine serviced every other year .  I use my car every week with the shortest journey being about 15 miles on national speed limit roads,  suffice to say, all fluids in my car get up to operating temperature regularly so I don't believe the fluids in my car will be carrying a high moisture content etc. 

I dounderstand concerns with the usual garage queen type cars though!

Maybe I'm in the wrong though?       

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I can see where you are coming from but only 1 cambelt change in 20 years, that's like Russian roulette isn't it?

yup.........but its only a 1 in 6 chance........:cry:

The Faster You Drive...The Slower You Age

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I can see where you are coming from but only 1 cambelt change in 20 years, that's like Russian roulette isn't it?

couldn't agree more about the cambelt, all my vehicles get a new one every 4 years

I was referring to fluid changes specifically :) .

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I think it depends...

I give my cars what they need, when they need it.

Cambelts always to schedule but stuff like engine oil can have a longer interval if the car isn't used much. Most servicing is about checking the condition of items not necessarily changing them.:)

 

It's getting there......

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Hmm, I've had mine 15 years and the servicing doesn't comply with the book schedule.  Indeed it's had more work over the years than the book says and I have two box files full of work evidence.

So is it well serviced?  Probably not in the letter of the book.  Is it well maintained?  I hope so.

Nonetheless, one thing I struggle to believe is that a cambelt made with modern materials is really the timebomb that it's made out to be.  I accept the damage of a failure is catastrophic to the engine and wallet but how likely are they to die in the real world?

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Hmm, I've had mine 15 years and the servicing doesn't comply with the book schedule.  Indeed it's had more work over the years than the book says and I have two box files full of work evidence.

So is it well serviced?  Probably not in the letter of the book.  Is it well maintained?  I hope so.

Nonetheless, one thing I struggle to believe is that a cambelt made with modern materials is really the timebomb that it's made out to be.  I accept the damage of a failure is catastrophic to the engine and wallet but how likely are they to die in the real world?

The trouble is the cost if that belt breaks.

they are made of rubbery plastics reinforced flexible stuff that ages. It's a bit like tyres - you never really know if they will blow out at the end of their life.

i would suspect oil and fluids once a year and a cam belt every two is sensible from a service point of view for an old classic car. But don't forget the wheel bearings that need repacking with grease - and a good check over of all the rubbers etc.

for clarity - I don't think 4 stamps in 20years is anywhere even near token gesture care - more like bloody neglect. Even if it's a garage queen - I'm afraid that's not the love that should be lavished!!

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That's an interesting subject cambelt/s. I had mine replaced in 2013 and at the time the idlers and tensioners were fine. I've just had engine taken out in the last 2 weeks to have both manifold studs replaced due to LH bank blowing and told PNM to replace cambelts anyway along with other engine work.

I was extremely surprised to see just how lose my existing cam belts were and it was only a matter of time before they slipped. All the idlers and tensioners had gone or were going (Pete described them as zingy when spun).

I had opted in 2014 not to have belts inspected as it meant taking the covers off with engine insitu and it was a hassle but since finding what can happen just over 2 years, I am always going to have the belts checked on each service.

Now in fairness to the 4 pot owners, your cambelt is visible and can easily be checked for damage and tension so not much of an issue compared with V8's!

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My car has got through 2 Lotus services books, with main dealer and specialist stamps for every year since 1988.  I'd consider that a full service history.  Any car with less I'd consider part service history.

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As I see it, it really doesn't matter how people want to service their P&J, however if the car is for sale then it should reflect in the purchase price. If you`re willing to take on any car with a crap SH then there will normally have to be money spent on it to get it back to a service level that the new owner is comfortable with.

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As I see it, it really doesn't matter how people want to service their P&J, however if the car is for sale then it should reflect in the purchase price. If you`re willing to take on any car with a crap SH then there will normally have to be money spent on it to get it back to a service level that the new owner is comfortable with.

Hi Martin, I agree with you on your statement above. The reason I asked was to see what people viewed as well serviced to full service history.

 

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Hi Martin, I agree with you on your statement above. The reason I asked was to see what people viewed as well serviced to full service history.

 

Hi David, I would much rather buy a car that has a decent service history and I don't just mean stamps in the book, I would also like to see a list of parts that have been changed out too so that at least I am able to track when problems occurred or new parts were fitted, from this information you are able to try to build up a picture of what might need to be looked at soon, a kind of preventative maintenance schedule for other areas of the car rather than just the normal service items, i.e. liquids, filters and belts.

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Hi Martin,

I also meant all supporting itemised bills not just a stamped book. If I bought a car with just a stamped book but no receipts, I would assume that it's not FSH and  adjust price accordingly or even walk away from it. If the PO has gone to the trouble of having it serviced then can't produce the bills to support them then there's something odd going on.

Regards,

 

David Walters

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Hi Martin,

I also meant all supporting itemised bills not just a stamped book. If I bought a car with just a stamped book but no receipts, I would assume that it's not FSH and  adjust price accordingly or even walk away from it. If the PO has gone to the trouble of having it serviced then can't produce the bills to support them then there's something odd going on.

Regards,

 

David Walters

I've just sold one of my vans. I gave the new owner the stamped service book, but no receipts, why? All the receipts are buried in the last 5 years worth of my business accounts, which I'll have to spend forever trawling through to retrieve them! . I gave the new owner the option of me sending them onto him but he wasn't bothered.

my point being, there isn't always something odd going on regarding a lack of receipts.

I appreciate its a van & not a lotus ( for which my esprit has 2x A4 folders of receipts )  but the point remains the same 

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What happens if like me you do all the servicing and spanner work yourself? I could show you receipts for cambelts, oil filters, wheel bearings, u/j's etc but as a buyer you have no idea that any of these parts have actually been fitted or indeed if they were, was the work carried out competently? I cannot put a stamp in a book (I don't even have an official service book for my car). Buyer beware. Never selling mine anyway so it's purely hypothetical!

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I've just sold one of my vans. I gave the new owner the stamped service book, but no receipts, why? All the receipts are buried in the last 5 years worth of my business accounts, which I'll have to spend forever trawling through to retrieve them! . I gave the new owner the option of me sending them onto him but he wasn't bothered.

my point being, there isn't always something odd going on regarding a lack of receipts.

I appreciate its a van & not a lotus ( for which my esprit has 2x A4 folders of receipts )  but the point remains the same 

Hi Steve,

A van is a workhorse and also a part of your business, which is understandable why you can't produce receipts etc. Also the buyer of a van isn't that bothered as you've just experienced first hand. Now an Esprit or a high car, I would have thought that the cost price and the fact that servicing doesn't come cheap neither, that owners would make more of an effort?

 

David

Ps. It's so easy these days  to go and buy a custom rubber stamp with an independent or even a main dealer on it. I know all the adverts say that due to copyright etc they can't make them but they still do!

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I fully agree with you Dave, but weirdly there seems to be plenty of people out there who just don't seem bothered, or they think the stamp in the book is the only important thing! , I've even come across plenty of people who see receipts as useless info IE they don't care if a belt or water pump etc was changed 15 years ago because it'll probably have been changed

 

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Well, a stamped service book from approved dealer's does count for something.  You can phone them up and find out if the car is genuine before you buy.  If they don't know the car, then run to the hills!

My car has 2 full Lotus books, including bills of £17000 I've spent on the car.

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Hi Mark and Steve,

You both have hit an interesting point. I bought my Evora last year from Stratstone and it said it had a FSH. When I went to see the car it was fully stamped but only had receipts from one dealer. Knowing that the other was a main dealer, I bought the car. Afterwards I contacted them and was able to get hold of all the previous bills, albeit I had to pay them £50 for the service but well worth it. At the end of the day they need to make money and they aren't a Lotus main dealer anymore so I wasn't about to use them again.

David

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Hi Mark and Steve,

You both have hit an interesting point. I bought my Evora last year from Stratstone and it said it had a FSH. When I went to see the car it was fully stamped but only had receipts from one dealer. Knowing that the other was a main dealer, I bought the car. Afterwards I contacted them and was able to get hold of all the previous bills, albeit I had to pay them £50 for the service but well worth it. At the end of the day they need to make money and they aren't a Lotus main dealer anymore so I wasn't about to use them again.

David

that was very helpful of the dealer Dave.  I bought a BMW m3 for the mrs several years ago, like your evora it had fmdsh i spoke to the relevant dealers and our local dealer, none of them were interested in reproducing all the old receipts!

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The dealer in question was Dick Lovett and they were very helpful. In fact it had been serviced there since new! I now have a sizable portfolio for my Evora which I am pleased with plus the stuff I've done since owernship.

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