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You may be right.

But him standing in front of a judge, should leave an imprint in his brain. I think that at least, is better than beating the shit out of the stupid teenager with a baseballbat.

I can easily see it: hysterical laughing while being under influence of drugs, bad food, bad habits, bad videogames, thinking that this is a "joke". Reminds me of the killer clown phenomena, where teenagers thinks that they are funny, when in fact it's evil. "Oh, it was just a joke sir, I'm sorry your wife died of a Heart attack". Then sentenced to two months community Labour. Playing violent videogames for hours every day, sitting there alone in a room, only human contact being equally bad behaving teenagers being online too, will make a serious impact on the subconsciousness, and the border between reality and fantasy getting blurred, and when he one day needs to react on some sort of input, threat, situation, he will recall the violent behaviour and millions of demonstrations of how to "kill a computer character", and respond on that basis. He has become numb to human feelings and interaction, only telling himself how to act violently. The border between making a Little funny game/situation and serious crimes are becoming unclear in his mind, and he no longer cannot diffferentiate between what is "resonable" and not.

Let me therefore ask you what you would do, if you had just had 3 school shootings and then shortly after, a punk like this, come forward with a threat at your teenage daughters school, and that school and other schools in the area had been evacuated and everyone got scared?

Would you just laugh and say something in the line of "oh, he was just a funny kid making a  joke"? Or: " leave him, he's justa  child, therefore not responsible for his actions"?

What the judge does is another matter. At least he reacted, which I think is very appropiate in this matter, and seems to be one out of several threats made by teenagers (boys?) that period after the last deadly school shooting. The article also mentions that there is an oncomming courtday for this boy/young man.

How is it that we sometimes react? "oh, he's just 16, so he's only a child, when it get's to punishment. And on the other hand, we want to privilige themas grown up's by allowing them to vote (debate), drive, shoot etc.

Remember a "Little punk" can pull a trigger too.

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Jacques

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Thanks for sharing Michael. The only thing I can say is this: gun owners shouldn't carry guns, they should all be locked away safely in a secured gun cabinet.

As the US president and the nra says: oh, you know, to take away a bad gun man, it takes a god gun man. Well, there you see, everyones got their firearms under control, it seems. And as a natural consequence, there's no shooting accidents ;)

Well, apparently there are. And lot's of them...

The gun owners can maybe take a perfect example from the man who most support the nra, Mr. Trump, as he is a "naturally super intelligent, super skillfull, super hero".Well, yes of course he is. As can be seen in his actions...

And pigs can fly.

About time to change the mentality about the whole matter.

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Jacques

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Hey Jacques,

Looks like Trump in classic Trump redirection is trying to impose tariffs on aluminum and steel.  He did this bizarre maneuver because he didn't want to public to see him cave to the NRA.  He says he like chaos.  Well we have plenty of that (thanks to his incompetence) and world doesn't appreciate what we are doing.  Please understand that even his own party doesn't want the tariffs.  He only did it to misdirected the gun control issue.  I apologize on behalf of Americans for his stupidity. 

There were so many issues last week that CNN's ticker tape news they run at the bottom of the screen was full.  Normally, they repeat in a 30 to 45 second loop.  But I believe there were over 25 issues last week and damn near broke the ticker tape.

I'm looking forward to spring and getting my car back on the road just to take my mind off this garbage.  Unfortunately, the pot holes are massive due to ice/snow/rain and massive temperature changes.  Ah, that can't be climate change when Europe is colder than Greenland! 

And that's the American news which isn't good for now...

 

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No appologies needed my friend. I think nearly everyone over here understand that something is rotten in  the state of Denmark the US this day and age, and that most Citizens have Little or no influence on this. But raise your voice all over, and you'll be heard.

But of course, if Mr. Trump says there's no climate changes, then by all means everyone else must have been wrong. They are probably not as mature, intelligent or curageous as Mr. Trump says he is. Like he used to say: "You're fired!".

I did get that the Republican party is not exactly overly happy about import tariffs, nor do they fancy a trade-war.

As a natural and very logical consequence, Mr. Trump seems very keen on starting up the former 1960'ies steel production in the old fashioned way. And for this, he naturally needs an import barrier. I mean come on, the man's a God send to humanity. Or not?  I Wonder what's next?  A Trump religion? Maybe even change the way we look at history/time to BT and AT: Before Trump and After Trump?  He cannot be wrong. No way . Ever. Somehow it reminds me of the former Roman empire. Made by violence, kept by violence and suppression. And the more problems, the more got sacked stabbed, and the more bread and Theater there were. And finally it ended by violence. The Romans didn't invent the war tactics, the Greeks did, but the refined them, and the Romans also did not invent the aquaducts, the flushing toilets and the central heating, because the early Greeks did, and from where the Etruscans originate. A few small Islands in the Agean Sea and partially a bit of the Eastern coast of what's turkey today (former Greek) were Struck by repeated dry seasons and the harvest failed Again and Again, so they sailed away and landed on the western coast of todays Italy and became the Etruscans in central Italy, Humbira, and who mastered all sorts of things. They gave the later Romans the alphabet, the numbers, and much more. The Romans took it over and killed or enslaved (You're fired!)  nearly everyone 3-400 years later. It seems to me, Mr. T is very much doing the same thing: copying, not inventing. Doing harm, not creating. And steel is a perfect decoy for the gun debate, and can maybe even swing over some lost voters if they regain their former Detroit jobs.

I think only God knows where this will lead to in the end.

Kind regards to and best wishes for our fellow American friends,

jacques

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@JacquesThe same violent videogames that top the charts here in Europe and elsewhere don't cause the same incidents. Statistically there isn't much to it. Videogames, nor movies (nor believe it or not, the satanic music of AC/DC or Black Sabbath!) cause violent behaviour. Hell I've been playing violent games since I was 6. 

America has a gun problem, period. Maybe for them regular school shootings are the price of freedom, a price they think is worth paying. Although the rest of us cant wrap our heads around it. It's a sad state of affairs.

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True, and close studies of this cause and effect (possible) is swinging over every now and then. It's a very difficult subject. As I have been educated in paedagogia and studied a fair bit of related subjects for more than twenty years and ongoing, I find that there's enough to be cautious. Like on nutrasweet. Better take care. And on another note, there are studies which look into the forming of the personality and it's life long reshapeing. It is only logical that some people will become numb to human reactions, feelings and emphathy, by indulging themselves into a hard core repeated psycological mind training scenario which suggest only one thing: kill. It's the sum of all Things, that create the situation we see today in USA.

But I am speaking about the potential. An underlying psychological aspect. If at the same time a gun policy that favours free spreading and carrying of guns is present, there's a protential for a very potent mix. One must remember, that the USA was taken by force, made by force and kept by force. It's in the blood of generations so to speak. Other cultures can be affected as well, but there's not the same mix. Yes, I agree, the US seems to agree that tens of thousands of dead people every year is a well worth Price to pay. I Wonder what the families left behind have to say about that logic?

Terrible state of affairs as you say.

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Jacques

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It just keeps going...  lost our Economics advisor over the tariffs.  I think we up to almost 50% staff departures - much higher than any previous president and in record time.  Took 2 years for Bush to remove 33% of his staff.

Now Stormy Daniels (porn star) is suing Trump.  It would be ironic if a porn star could take out a president.  That would be MeToo and TImesUp on steroids.  Combine the 19 women for sexual harassment, Stormy Daniels, Russian interference, Tariffs, Corporate Tax rollback to 21% and that putrescent "mouth", that should be enough to eject him out of office.

Once he's out - rollback the corporate tax from 21% to 35% percent, stop tariffs, join and enforce climate change.  Then offer a World apology for ever having him in office and rebuild all damaged relationships with other countries that we have offended.

 

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Yes, that's a good point.  Pence is only slightly better than Trump in regards that he does actually have experience in politics.  But he would need to be removed from office as well due to his backwards ideals.  When Trump gets impeached (notice I say "when"), they should also replace/impeach Pence.  We can claim that Trump removed so many from office that it won't matter anyways.

It would be historical to have a "double" impeachment.  I wonder if it's ever been done before?  This is one time where it should happen.

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Are you two speaking about Putins best man in Washington?

To be honest, I think there's enough dirt on all camps to need a kind of fresh start for the Americans. Out of those available, I think I would chose Bernie, if I could. Hmm, maybe someone should call Putin, and ask his army of "internet attendants" to fix it? After all, he's shown himself very "resoursefull". Remember Beslan? hundreds of burnt children because of Putin ordering his soldiers using flamethrowers against seperatists holding several hundred hostages inside the school, therefore setting fire to the school, and therefore burning hundreds of people including hundreds of children (another school shooting). Or the election of himself he faked so openly, that many people videorecorded the deed and still he just beat the crap out of them with massive police and military operations and many people dissapearing, so that only he could win. Or the many many millions of dollars he stole to gain finance to buy soldiers to gain political influence. After all he's educated inside the kgb, which is well and kicking.

Even Jeltsin admitted before he died, that chosing Putin was a major critical mistake for the future.

I really Wonder why some begin to call Mr. T a cleptocrat... At least there are two now, one in each side of the map of the World.

Oh yes, what a couple...

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Yup, Jacques. We are doomed here to lose everything sensible folks have done lately, as you can see everyday on your news. I will say though, it appears we are not alone in this mess, given La Pen, Brexit, etc. We are what appears to just be the worst failure in the western world right now. lol. Maybe a nuke on DC might be the way out. lol.

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5 hours ago, MikieP said:

Yup, Jacques. We are doomed here to lose everything sensible folks have done lately, as you can see everyday on your news. I will say though, it appears we are not alone in this mess, given La Pen, Brexit, etc. We are what appears to just be the worst failure in the western world right now. lol. Maybe a nuke on DC might be the way out. lol.

Bigger on my personal screen right now than the NRA is lobbyists for big pharma. My medical costs are rising at what seems an astronomical rate with collusion on price fixing, etc. Congress looks the other way as their palms get greased by lobbyists. GREED, and the little guy doesn't stand a chance. Make sure the nukes get all the lobbyists as well as the politicians who should have term limits. Luckily I can get some relief via Canadian patent law on generics, but the US Pharma keeps extending patent exclusivity though minor formula tweeks keeping out competition. Check out what has happened to the price of insulin, for an an example, with all the manufacturers colluding. The system is stacked on many fronts.Follow the $$$$$$

 

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Trump is necessary for the USA. He is the crucible in which impurities will be burned away, hopefully to yield a visionary leader and group of politicians that can put the USA back on track. Which is why I still say: better Trump than Hillary. The patient is sick, the medicine is bitter, but why postpone it any longer? 

The whole establishment needs to be brought to its knees and rebuilt from the ground up.

I say this as someone who genuinely likes all the good things that the USA stands for, who wants to believe in that nation, it's people and many of its customs and better qualities. 

Bernie would have been a godsend, but it would also have been tragic to see a man with his ideals be stained with the filth of Washington. It would have been like Obama 2.0 - a promising candidate whose powers are proven to be all too limited when it matters most. To see Bernie go the way of Obama (infighting, bickering with the Senate and House, having all his proposals rejected) would have caused disillusionment on a hitherto unseen scale. This way he gets to keep his dignity.

It's also too bad Ron Paul is out - he would have been an awesome wild card... 

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Trump/Pence need to be legally removed from office.  I'm having trouble stomaching Trump better than Hillary.  I wanted Bernie, too. 

Yes, Bernie could have had big battles with Congress.  I was more concerned about his age and that the battles could impact his health. 

Let me make this perfectly clear - having a Billionaire "who has no clue nor concept of what a life without money is like" cannot benefit our middle and/or lower class citizens.  How can someone born to power/money/privilege have any concept of being relatively normal or poor?    As an example, no normal person would take a large military outfitted 747 to Florida every fricking weekend knowing it costs taxpayers over $2 million per trip just to play golf. They would stay in DC and use that piece of hardware for official business only.  We need to replace the billionaires with working class citizens who actually have a connection with the majority of people.  Can you imagine Trump living middle class?  That would be like a middle class citizen living in 3rd world poverty conditions.  I can hear it now and his response to being demoted to middle class,  "Oh, How Horrid" - spoken like C3PO since he's gold plated just like all his toilets at Mar Lago.  What do you mean that I don't have a private jet? What do you mean that I only have one house? What's a mortgage? What only one car for each income earner? You mean I need to stand in line at airports and go through security? What no team of lawyers to bail me out of sexual harassment claims or blockade them with NDAs?  Oh yeah and most important,  you can't claim fake news anymore and you actually need to research facts (not make them up) before you open your mouth.

Ron Paul would have better.  Of course, just about any one (minus the obvious bad guys) would be better than what we are currently stuck with.  I heard him (Trump) wanting to run a second term and it truly makes me physically ill.

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The major problem is lobbyists, be it NRA or Healthcare ,etc. How can Congress say they are doing what's in the interest of "the people" when there is an obvious conflict of interest and they vote to enrich themselves and assure reelection.  They (who pass the laws) will never get rid of this conflict because it's affecting their personal fortune.  Short of outright revolution I wish we could recall ALL of Congress and start with a new slate of players duly bound to eliminate lobby conflicts and running with term limits.  (only little grass roots politicians will run if $$ millions aren't an incentive to collude) Both major parties want control and make it a point  to spite the other, but the only thing they quietly agree on is keeping the lobbyist gravy train running.

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It is now getting soooooooooo much worse... Something new on the scene just tonight from MSNBCs' Rachel Madow Hour (Friday night show) is the possible/probable collaboration between Malaysian PM, some princes in the middle east and Trump and the RNC in what appears to be many BILLIONS of dollars. If you can watch it via internet, it will astound you and make you wonder what is really going on in the world behind our backs. I am now feeling like a noose will not be good enough, nor fast enough, if all this is true AND, is there even more to come out about these sub-humans that now own us.

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Common sense laws don't apply to the NRA. 

The scope of these changes were minimal at best (should have been stronger), but even these minor changes stirred up NRA hornets nest.

This is truly sad.

 

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I find it mind boggling that you have to be 21 in most states to buy a handgun, but only 18 to buy an AR15....

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And more than likely, the NRA will claim no money and get a court appointed attorney.

All we know is that when they stop making this, we will be properly, properly sad.Jeremy Clarkson on the Esprit.

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7 hours ago, Vanya said:

I find it mind boggling that you have to be 21 in most states to buy a handgun, but only 18 to buy an AR15....

Yes, this bothers me as well.  The NRA might argue that they are hunting rifles.  But seriously who would hunt (non humanoids) with a semi automatic or automatic weapon?  Anything smaller than a rabbit would be annihilated.  You put 10 rounds in a small creature and there's nothing left to eat.  It's also extremely unfair to larger creatures that you just hold down the trigger and point in their general direction until they fall to the ground.  Where's the skill in that?  Can you really call it hunting when they are using military assault weapons.  It's kind of like using a Bugatti Chiron to drive to a mailbox which is only a few walking steps away.  Yeah, you can do it, but why?  It's the old saying (not sure who said this) - Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. 

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