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I prefer the Mk.3 GT6 to the Spitfire.

I had a 1973 Stag, Tahiti Blue, 5-spoke alloys, and stainless sills, it looked beautiful, but was the biggest piece of shite I'd ever bought. 3-speed auto Bogwash 35 box, 18 MPG average, and the rear suspension had to be experienced to be believed. I virtually had to give the thing away, and there was much celebration in the household when it went.

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That's the boxes - rattle bang and bump. Diff whine, bonnet rattle, doors open when going round corners. It's all good  its just old nostalgia and heritage.  The esprit is porn and need for s

Here's the Family Stag....final polishing and fettling nearly done, MOTd and ready for the wedding on the 25th...

first run out to a petrol station for a tank of fuel since 1983 !!! have now set up the carbs and found the set of points occasionally short out and kill the engine running - one new set for the

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I prefer the Mk.3 GT6 to the Spitfire.

I had a 1973 Stag, Tahiti Blue, 5-spoke alloys, and stainless sills, it looked beautiful, but was the biggest piece of shite I'd ever bought. 3-speed auto Bogwash 35 box, 18 MPG average, and the rear suspension had to be experienced to be believed. I virtually had to give the thing away, and there was much celebration in the household when it went.

This post literally made my day. This seems to be a common opinion when it comes to the Stag...how bad IS this thing? 

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Can't remember if it was For The Love of Cars or Car SOS but one of them did a proper review of the Stag and proved that it was simply poor build quality that made them rubbish. A diligently rebuilt one could be a trustworthy car.

The look of a Stag has always put me off them, but I sold one of my RV8's to a Stag owner who'd obviously given up trying to make the Triumph lump reliable. I suppose that in itself suggests he hadn't tried hard enough considering my first comment. He insisted I take his still standard Stag for a spin and I have to say... I then had two reasons not to like them. It wasn't inspiring at all.

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This post literally made my day. This seems to be a common opinion when it comes to the Stag...how bad IS this thing? 

I can only tell you how bad mine was.

Within a month of buying it, the engine jack-shaft broke, forcing me to have a brand new engine. I fitted an updated radiator, electric Kenlowe fan in addition to the mechanical one, 12-vane coolant pump, and an engine oil cooler. And the damn thing STILL ran hot.

I remember taking it to France on holiday, but not trusting it to make the journey, I used the Motorail. Driving around the Auvergne mountains, we attempted to drive up one of them, but had to turn back due to the temperature gauge.

The rear driveshafts were splined, but not using ball bearing, meaning they would lock up when you applied the power in a corner, and unload when you exits, making it feel like the wheels were falling off, a most unpleasant experience.

The gearbox was a real treat. It was reasonably new, and in keeping with all the Bogwash boxes, would decide to change into to top gear when it felt like it, not when you would expect it. It was the worst auto box I have ever had the displeasure to use.

Then there was the hot starting problems, which usually occurred when there were a few admirers stood around. If only they knew. The hateful thing would churn over on the starter prior to coughing, and spluttering, before finally firing up just before the battery threw its hand in.

Arguably the worst car I've ever owned, and for sure there's been a long and distinguished list of clunkers in my car-owning past, which says it all.

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I am sure I read somewhere they didn't flush the casting sand out of the block properly so it flushed its way around the block and cooling system until it blocked the rad.

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Having grown up in the Midlands in the 70's the problems were because nobody gave a toss. The management, the designers and the workforce simply didnt care.

I had friends who worked in factories and they would boast that they would deliberately mess up the product on the production line to "teach the bosses a lesson". 

Younger people today simply would not believe what went on. The amazing thing was that we pulled through all of this. I was sure at the time that the country was going to disintegrate. Might be getting too close to politics here but there are people who appear to want to return to those days....

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Never had a stag and they don't really appeal that much to me at all.

they are too much of a step away from the classic British sports car for me. They are just a bit too much pipe and slippers. My neighbours got one and he loves it. Not a sports car drive.....

dont think I'd pass one by if the price was right though.

yes - car building in the 70s was dire - we tore it up and threw it away. That's why we don't have a real British car industry anymore. Imagine the what ifs if red robbo just didn't get his way

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Had a look and was def. For the Love of Cars that covered the Stag. I don't remember the casting sand thing per say but they did allude to it literally being poor attention to build. They got some thermodynamics expert from Oxford or some such and he tested the cooling system scientifically. His conclusion was that it was more than well specified for intended use, provided of course it was meeting design tolerances.

Im sure the episode is available online but I'm on my phone and the channel 4 site is painful

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I was a Triumph fan in the days when it was them or Rover.  I liked most of the Michelotti designed family of Triumphs (which was most of them!).   Dad started the thing with a 2000TC which was just too temptingly in the garage when I was an "L" 17 year old and the folks were away travelling.  I had a GT6 MKIII as my first ton plus car and later a Dolly Sprint - both fantastic cars for their time.  Contrarily I never did like the Stag.  I always though the T bar roof too heavy  and "old man" ish - typecast for Dennis Waterman characters.   And the engine (despite being a V8) had a truly awful reputation.  I saw the job Ant Stansbie  did on the one for the programme and I guess that would revise my opinion mechanically .... but not the looks.  No offence intended.

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When we visited the museum at Gaydon a couple of years ago, my better halve took a real liking to the BRG Stag on display. I thought it was nice, but nothing more, especially considering all the other cars there. Fast forward 2 years and I found myself looking at ads for Stags. We got a good one for a very reasonable price in Germany. I drove it home without a problem, did a little bit of maintenance and really started to enjoy it. It was a manual with overdrive and the original Triumph V8 and cooling system. We both drove it, often I would drive to and from events and she would take the wheel for the roadbook. It felt lively, reasonably fast and great for long distance cruising. We did about 5000 miles with it in one year, including 2 trips to UK. The second one was an to Brooklands on newyears day. The starter motor on my Esprit had failed a couple of days before, I couldn’t get a replacement in time so on newyears eve I got the Stag out of winter storage, gave it an oil change and check-up and took it on an 500+ mile trip. It was flawless, comfortable and at 28mpg did better than expected. We never had any problems with overheating, not on long runs up to 80-90mph and not when stuck in traffic. The engine sounded great and pulled well with the carbs reasonably tuned (I wanted to say properly tuned, but did it myself without any experience). Despite my love for the Rover V8 (in Range Rovers), I’m very glad we got a Stag with the original engine because it suits the car so well, more eager to rev and enough torque for a fairly light car.

Unfortunately it ended up like this:

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So now I once again keep an eye out for a reasonably priced Stag, has to be a manual overdrive and preferably with the original engine (though there is this vapour build of a Stag with a Lotus V8 as well). I never thought I would miss the car as much as I do, because it certainly wasn’t my first choice. For us the Stag was a perfect car for weekend cruising and classic car events. It fits in nicely between the Esprit and Range Rover, with the added bonus of being a convertible.

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We've had a Stag in the family for decades; it belongs to Jacqueline, my sister-in-law, so it's been my brother's cross to bear... The numbers on the registration are 666, which might tell the adepts amongst something. Actually, it's not been that bad a car; the usual engine rebuilds and bodywork welding and painting and upholstery and new hood and so forth. It comes from the year when they used proper steel rather than the ersatz Instarust stuff that most of them were created from. It NEARLY had the Rover V8 conversion...got as far as mounting it in the car...then there was a change of heart and the original engine was refitted. My brother Mike and I spent a merry afternoon getting the cylinder head off one side of the engine using a hardpoint woodsaw and an anglegrinder...the alloy heads tend to corrode solid onto the inclined studs; the bolts usually come out OK...

On the whole, it's been reasonably reliable, makes a nice noise, goes fast enough not to embarrass itself and has worked nicely for Jacqueline to pose in. It's a great car for yoga instructors or hairdressers...! At present there is a deadline looming; my niece's wedding is on the 25th October and she is hoping to travel to it in the thing...if Mike can stop the waterpump leaking....of which I have no doubt, as we have conspired online to diagnose the water leak and he's just got to reassemble it with new seals and impeller shaft etc. It has bags of oil pressure and even the auto gearbox has had the constant fluid leak fixed.....

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Update on the previous....I am informed that the Stag has now run for over an hour with no sign of a water leak, idling oil pressure of 50psi and nothing to complain about...so it looks as though the wedding trip is on! Mike's now just finishing polishing the newly sprayed doors...don't rub through the edges, lad......

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I put redex in my old MG mate turned it over after we had left it to soak in the cylinder bores for a while. I got a face full...

 

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The Stag was a pretty car, designed by Michelotti in early 1965.  Here is one of the final sketches proposals.

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And here's the prototype from 1965:

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It would have been a great car had BL put the Rover V8 in it and made it from steel that didn't rust at the first sight of rain.

Seeing these cars today makes me so pleased I own a plastic Lotus with a galvanised chassis :).

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It would have been a great car had BL put the Rover V8 in it and made it from steel that didn't rust at the first sight of rain.

Seeing these cars today makes me so pleased I own a plastic Lotus with a galvanised chassis :).

Never saw those prototypes, thanks!

Not sure about preferring a Rover V8 though. The Triumph V8 was more advanced with it's OHC and more powerfull despite the smaller size. In fact, it was only with the 1994 Range Rover 4.0 and 4.6 that the Rover V8 got the same bhp/litre. It also has tensioners on the timing chains, something the Rover V8 could certainly use! It would have been even better if made from alu to reduce weight. And of course with a bit more focus on production quality...

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Best thing in the world to clean carbs etc - redex!! Shows up leaks in the exhaust as well!!

 

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Blimey! I knew the early Spits could be a bit of a handful on the limit, but I never realised they warranted the carrying of a bog-roll as standard.

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I had a Stag for years before coming to Lotus. First job on the Stag was to rebuild the heads, give it bloody good flush and she run faultlessly for years. A great cruising car and wonderful to go for a relaxed long drive. If I ever get to the stage where I can no longer handle a Lotus then my first choice would once again be a Stag.

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Just asked the question on one of the Triumph forums - Answer appears to be BMW.

Yes, it's BMW, but they couldn't care less. Which means it's impossible to get official paperwork, as I found out trying to register ours for regular use in Belgium. :-( They're probably just waiting until the moment is right to cash in big with a sad excuse for a successor that has no heritage apart from the badge, like they did with Mini.

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