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That's the boxes - rattle bang and bump. Diff whine, bonnet rattle, doors open when going round corners. It's all good  its just old nostalgia and heritage.  The esprit is porn and need for s

Here's the Family Stag....final polishing and fettling nearly done, MOTd and ready for the wedding on the 25th...

first run out to a petrol station for a tank of fuel since 1983 !!! have now set up the carbs and found the set of points occasionally short out and kill the engine running - one new set for the

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They only did the six or seven in the video - red robbo had them out on strike shortly after because of modernisation - the whole process got canned after that and everything left out in the rain whilst they burnt some old pallets in an oil drum outside the gates

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Never saw those prototypes, thanks!

Not sure about preferring a Rover V8 though. The Triumph V8 was more advanced with it's OHC and more powerfull despite the smaller size. In fact, it was only with the 1994 Range Rover 4.0 and 4.6 that the Rover V8 got the same bhp/litre. It also has tensioners on the timing chains, something the Rover V8 could certainly use! It would have been even better if made from alu to reduce weight. And of course with a bit more focus on production quality...

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I would have used the 2.5 PI - it had a new lease of life with fuel injection late 60's with and an early TR6 outperforms the stag.   The V8 could then have been developed in the '2000' saloon.  Hindsight and all that,,,,,        

    

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I would have used the 2.5 PI - it had a new lease of life with fuel injection late 60's with and an early TR6 outperforms the stag

My father had a 2.5 PI (I loved the car as a kid - not sure my father did), I can remember spending some weekends trying to reduce the fuel pressure to try and improve economy (until the adjuster screw fell out) and I don't think we ever got more than 18mpg. Ever driven from Kent to Devon at 56mpg to try and save some money - very, very long journey. I think the V8 was more economical. At the time the joke was that anyone with a 2.5PI needed a tanker following it to ensure they didn't run out of petrol.

I don't think the TR6 was much better and would suspect performance differences between the Stag and TR6 was more down to weight differences.

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Don't fit the 2500 to a stag - kills the resale figure.

the straight six lumps which triumph did are sublime motors - actually had a little 1600 version in my early vitesse and it really picked its feet up well.  On tic over it literally sounds like a singer sewing machine

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Triumph probably would have lasted much longer or even still exist today if they had patented their independent rear suspension design in the early 60's.

While Mercedes were using swing axles and Rover had the de Dion the brains trust at Triumph came up with the semi-trailing fully independent suspension design that was used by just about every other manufacturer for the next several decades.

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And too right about the sweetness of the six. With the right preparation here was a four main bearing, pushrod, non-crossflow motor that could rev to 8500rpm! That was hard to comprehend back in the 70's.

There was a GT6 here in our sports car category that could beat everything else including Elans, E types and Cobras. To hear its high pitched revving was an order above the other cars.

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Thought I might as well add my tuppence worth!

Have been an avid Triumph fan since my Dad had 2 2500PIs and a 2500TC when I was a kid. Subsequently I started my car owning career with a Mk4 Spitfire, followed by a GT6 in the late 80s.

At 6ft5" I was always able to fit quite well. Both cars were fantastic FUN (isn't that what it is all about?) and although they were both loads of trouble, I learnt a shed load about cars. Throw in a couple of S3 Land Rovers along the way (both chassis up rebuilds) and 25 yrs later I've been looking to move on. Personally, I've always hankered after a Stag and have seriously thought about going down that route.

However, I have (for about the last 6 months), woken up to Lotus of the 70s - I have always loved the Esprit but wouldn't seriously fit in it or realistically have the budget to buy or keep a decent one. Step up the Elite - I have seen several recently (as well as the Éclat) and I'm totally hooked.

My Land Rover experience has removed any previous hesitation about taking the car off the chassis and in fact I'm somewhat encouraged by the GRP body as I have the appropriate welding skills required to maintain it :blush:

All cars have their individual charms and problems to match, Lotus's can hardly claim to be bug free - but the biggest problem with ALL classic cars is lack of appropriate maintenance. Once sorted and then spanner'd regularly and as designed, most will give good service.

A sorted Triumph straight 6 with stainless exhausts is a thing of beauty to behold IMO

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Triumph probably would have lasted much longer or even still exist today if they had patented their independent rear suspension design in the early 60's.

While Mercedes were using swing axles and Rover had the de Dion the brains trust at Triumph came up with the semi-trailing fully independent suspension design that was used by just about every other manufacturer for the next several decades.

That would have been OK if they'd only they'd thought to use a ball-bearing style driveshaft design. There was a conversion kicking around known as the "Tri-Dat" driveshaft, which utilised the 240Z shafts to cure the inherently locking-up problems that the Stag's splined shafts were prone to.

Actually, having owned a Stag, and two early 240Z's, I can say that the latter's rear suspension was far superior, albeit designed a while later than the Triumph's.

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I regularly look at those on Ebay.   Always thought the vitesse MKII and13/60 have a very pretty bonnet design.   I also thought its would have looked great with Karman's kamm tail - like a Fulvia.   Be interested to see how good you can get the panel gaps...     

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Hmmm - panel gaps - they were good before I took the bloody doors off

a good ones nice - a bad one you can fit your arm between !!!

watched a white one go on eBay today - full of grott scabs and not great - it realised £3350 - so all this classic market is moving up.

pretty sure I will be keeping this one - it ticks the boxes the esprit just can't !!

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1 hour ago, Barrykearley said:

pretty sure I will be keeping this one - it ticks the boxes the esprit just can't !!

It's a pretty car, but I'm not sure about the boxes.  I have unpleasant memories of the school run in Triumph Herald (which was similar).  Noisy engine / gearbox, very slow and sit up and beg seats.  Please tell me Barry, the boxes it ticks that the Esprit can't?

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57 minutes ago, Mark Blanchard said:

So it was the diff that made the noise!  Drove me up the bl**dy wall for 2 years.  Give me porn any day!

I bought my ex-wife a 13/60 (I had previously bought my ex-girlfriend a Herald based Moss Roadster kit car from Moss themselves). I loved the bloody thing, diff whine and all. Unfortunately she sold it after we split up as she had nobody to maintain it. I agree with Barry, proper old skool British wheels, wooden dash and stick-to-your-bare thighs-in-the-summer vinyl seats. Made like Meccano too, everything replaceable.

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I would still be tempted by a Mk II Vitesse convertible with overjive, I have to say.

I tempted fate...now my Esprit V8 IS in bits...(sob)

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I had this mk1 really early 1600 vitesse. But she had to be sacrificed for the esprit - I was gutted to let her go

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Barrykearley said:

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I had this mk1 really early 1600 vitesse. But she had to be sacrificed for the esprit - I was gutted to let her go

Lovely Barry. I would have sold my wife to Arab slave traders to keep hold of that beauty AND have an Esprit. We need to have a word about your priorities mate.

I had a 1600 Vitesse engine for years and years - with original early Solex cabs - with the intention of doing a kit car with it but time and other stuff (mainly children) resulted in me selling it.

Oh well. Still got a Rover V8 - on LPG with a High Torque cam - to go in my LDV Convoy and an MG Metro Turbo (which will be overboosted, water injection and nitrous) to go in my blue Mini City E :bounce:

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I tempted fate...now my Esprit V8 IS in bits...(sob)

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9 hours ago, Mark Blanchard said:
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It's a pretty car, but I'm not sure about the boxes.  I have unpleasant memories of the school run in Triumph Herald (which was similar).  Noisy engine / gearbox, very slow and sit up and beg seats.  Please tell me Barry, the boxes it ticks that the Esprit can't?

It's a pretty car, but I'm not sure about the boxes.  I have unpleasant memories of the school run in Triumph Herald (which was similar).  Noisy engine / gearbox, very slow and sit up and beg seats.  Please tell me Barry, the boxes it ticks that the Esprit can't?

I can't comment on a Herald, but I certainly understand how a Triumph can be complimentary to a Lotus. I loved our Stag for it's simplicity and easy of driveability. The perfect car for local classic car runs, it feels special without the need for speed and the V8 sounds lovely when you do push it. Even though I drive my Esprit almost daily, it's still a more demanding drive, requiring all your focus and with a slightly evil undertone (and I mean that in the best possible way!). And constantly having to watch out for speed bumps, potholes and the like. The Stag was much more relaxed, cruising and enjoying the scenery. Without being detached like most modern cars, so you still feel in control instead of just along for the ride. Petrol fumes, rattles, wobbly speedo all contribute to the experience. :-)

I do miss our Stag... :-( I sometimes take my dad's '73 450SLC out for a run, but it just can't match the dirving experience. 

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Filip - that is exactly it. It's just proper old school nostalgia for me.

my neighbour did a stag last year - it's lovely - I'd never really liked the stag before - but I think age changes your view and I'm really tempted with the idea of one.

Was working yesterday at an old ladies who's having her kitchen refitted. She offered to buy that little herald as soon as it's finished !!! She wants to ditch her 08 Honda for something more like her youth !!! Now I'm slightly tempted - but I want a summer in it first....…

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Born and Bred in Coventry - I spent my youth watching new Jags and Triumphs on road tests.......................... Unfortunately Canley is now an industrial/commercial estate - I do my weekly shop at Sainsburys not far from this spot............. Canley September 1978 - courtesy of [email protected] the OurWarwickshire website :

 

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6 hours ago, Barrykearley said:

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first run out to a petrol station for a tank of fuel since 1983 !!!

have now set up the carbs and found the set of points occasionally short out and kill the engine running - one new set for the princely sum of £2.95 ordered from eBay !! imageproxy.php?img=&key=7c0a900d05080318c2d0d7b1ac442fcd820dda33146e5c4af00b4abce988f57cimageproxy.php?img=&key=dcbeb3aa7750e125

Lock your car keys away securely Barry. I am a famous cat burglar, did you know? I also did the stunts for "because the lady loves Milk Tray" back in the day incidentally :P

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I tempted fate...now my Esprit V8 IS in bits...(sob)

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