The Donald.

[march 773]

This is an interesting watch whatever your views.

 

[Loquacious Lew 272]

5 hours ago, LotusLeftLotusRight said:

What do the voters make of his tax avoidance? His illness seems to have knocked that off the front pages. I read he has paid $750 dollars in each of two recent years and f**k all in the others. He bangs on about Making America Great and supporting the Armed Forces, yet his own personal financial contribution to the cause is practically zero. The spotty teenager flipping burgers in McDonald’s probably pays more tax than he does. That’s incredibly greedy and unpatriotic.

This news further polarizes opinion, I'm sure.  I only know what I think....no surprises here, the man is criminally irresponsible and willing to break all moral and ethical rules to his own benefit..  He games everything and everyone, putting his greed on display for all to see.  The tax scandal is but one more straw that will be ignored by his sycophants but adds weight to the case against him.  I can assure you it won't be ignored if the government changes hands in November.  

The notion that all our leaders have always been as dishonest and  incompetent as Trump has proven to be is simply not true.   Obama was prepared for the job, Mrs. Clinton would surely have been equally facile or at least  far, far better qualified than Trump has been for handling many of our issues, including the response to the epidemic.  Trump and his minion's  lack of familiarity with basic scientific principles (and more, their malicious willingness to throw science under the bus)  is but the start of their (Trump's people) differences in capabilities.  Then there is their greed, avarice, and general disregard for the  human consequences of any decisions they make that don't affect them directly or might cost them  power and money at a personal level.  This year the differences between our choices have become ever plainer to see.   Democrats will  do a better job filling all the positions of authority that any  effective government depends on.  Republicans as a whole have failed to operate in the best interests of this country.  They have gutted our institutions and pandered to our worst instincts.   

The notion that our leaders, their philosophies and their actions  (and the integrity of our various news outlets) are all the same is simply wrong.  One might ponder that the Beeb's (and all but Fox News' and their imitators) panning of Trump is warranted because he has earned nothing but contempt.  Now his own pig headedness and pointless politicization of everything starting with our response to this disease is coming home to roost. 

[comem47 209]

Trump is all about Trump and family. Period.

That so called debate was his opportunity to kick sand in Biden's face and get in a sucker punch first. A coward bully, I still can't believe people think he's a financial genius. He knows how to milk the public through bankruptcies (no building) We all pay into his coffers.

[mg4lotus 103]

We are probably not commenting as we are waiting to definitively find out if he really has it or is he just pretending. How seriously he has it. Will he live or will he die.

[C8RKH 5,924]

Or maybe it's because basically we just don't care! 

However, Mr. Obama was prepared for it. Hmm, shame he really didn't deliver anything of real substance.

Hilary - ha please don't make me laugh. You demonise Trump for being all about him then throw Clinton in!  Lol. Laughed my ass off.

I think the main issue is that in the US, as here in the UK, there is a void in decency and social conscious in our senior political leaders. Is part of a wider "me one" trend where people put their desire for celebrity, self promotion and self gain first.  

It's an endemic that is ripping the UK/US to pieces and creating generations of entitled snowflakes.

So in that context Trumps antics really are nothing other but a distraction at best, a damning reflection of what society is becoming at worst.

[Techyd 212]

I'm pretty sure that Obama's loss in terms of not achieving 'much' is more attributed to the broken american political system resulting from the two party system that they have; he couldn't get anything past the republicans. 

Frankly, with the party divisions so far weighted to the extremes on either side, it seems to me that America might actually still be in a civil war; they just don't know it!  When it comes to voting, what they need to get on top of are the 'single reason' voters.

6 hours ago, C8RKH said:

It's an endemic that is ripping the UK/US to pieces and creating generations of entitled snowflakes.

I think you're absolutely right, the legacy Trump has already established that the needs of the one (him) outweigh the needs of the many, and he's done that within the political system so America will now proceed forth with 'personalities' as their president, rather than diplomatic, rational and level headed, which I maintain that Obama was; despite his achievements not 'measuring up'.

Of course - I'm also sure what I am exposed to here in the UK through the various news channels is severely bias to whatever the news is wishing for me to see, so what I do know?!! haha

[Bibs 10,834]

Wow, that was a quick recovery. I do wonder if this was a risky publicity stunt to try and get back in front of Biden in the polls...

[pete 1,654]

Danger time is yet to come

[LotusLeftLotusRight 1,143]

Probably still off his tits on drugs at the moment. Big come down to follow...

[Loquacious Lew 272]

With this gang in the White House, it's impossible to divine the truth but something we do know is that steroids make you feel great until they don't.  

[williamtherebel 385]

[red vtec 166]

Now he is claiming the regeneration therapy has cured him, Could he now be immoral!!!

[C8RKH 5,924]

2 minutes ago, red vtec said:

Now he is claiming the regeneration therapy has cured him, Could he now be immoral!!!

I think he has been that for a while, but maybe you meant immortal!  He does claim Scottish heritage so maybe he is "Highlander" - remember, "there can be only one!"

[red vtec 166]

5 minutes ago, C8RKH said:

I think he has been that for a while, but maybe you meant immortal!  He does claim Scottish heritage so maybe he is "Highlander" - remember, "there can be only one!"

ooopps predictive text! or maybe an omen...

[andydclements 698]

15 minutes ago, C8RKH said:

I think he has been that for a while, but maybe you meant immortal!  He does claim Scottish heritage so maybe he is "Highlander" - remember, "there can be only one!"

In the case of DT, Thank F*** for that.

[pete 1,654]

[USAndretti42 302]

On 05/10/2020 at 07:01, C8RKH said:

However, Mr. Obama was prepared for it. Hmm, shame he really didn't deliver anything of real substance.

 

Well Obama's administration did help the US economy recover from its worst recession in almost 80 years.   Under Trump it continued to recover at only the same rate despite Trump taking the credit. Obama's administration introduced the affordable care act allowing millions to access health care that hitherto would have been denied them.  He took steps with the Dream act to address the plight of illegal immigrants in the US.  It reduced the defecit.  It saw the legalisation of same-sex marriage and allowed homosexuals to be acknowledged in the armed forces.  Osama bin Laden was killed under his command.

https://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/marchapril-2012/obamas-top-50-accomplishments/

 

 

[C8RKH 5,924]

All good stuff but hardly the stuff of dreams after 8 years.

OSBL would have happened whoever was President. Luck? Judgement? Directly as a result of BO. Hmmmm...

Don't get me wrong. He was a great statesman but a great President who'll be revered in history for being the change needed?  Er, no. Ask any non American to list his achievements. His impact. I bet they'd struggle.

Would I rather have Trump to Obama though. Er, no.

However, we can agree to disagree re the difference/impact he really made.

[Loquacious Lew 272]

Disagree, but we rarely see eye to eye on the details.  Obama will be remembered with fondness especially compared to the Trump years which will be seen as ushering out the last of America's integrity and any remaining moral authority we might have had.  As has been mentioned, Trump's economy, the thing he claims for himself,  rides on the back of Obama's successes.  These days it's a major achievement to leave office with the respect of the people that voted you in.  Obama achieved that.  Who in Europe will achieve that today?  Will Boris?  Well, by one measure GB is not really Europe anymore so maybe he doesn't count.  

 

It will take a lot of work to undo Trump's legacy and requires assuming Biden's victory and his ability to put talented people into the right places. If Trump wins, or even if Biden wins but the Senate doesn't flip, Obama will be remembered as the last competent and principled  man to sleep in the WH.  His failure will be that for better or worse, his tenure accelerated the rise of Trumpism.   It was and will remain impossible to fix anything unless the Senate is won as well.  We are gridlocked, what a sailor might call being 'in irons.'

 

Obama's biggest mistake was believing he could work across the aisles with Republicans.  Typically Democratic,  he was concerned about polity while his opponents couldn't have cared less.  I think by the time he realized he wouldn't find a bi-partisan solution, it was too late.  The criticism that he was naive in his first term may have some credence, but that's probably his greatest failing .  

[pete 1,654]

The New York times has revealed Trump has a Chinese bank account.

40 million Americans have voted by post already

[Loquacious Lew 272]

He's such a peach, isn't he?  We are now essentially four days from the actual election on Tuesday.  I feel somewhere between tense, hopeful and enervated.  The Mango Mussolini sucks all the air from the room and wears us out with his inimitable self.  I sure hope all this pans out so we can get to work fixing all the broken china and replacing the stolen silverware.  

[Mysterae 222]

I think Trump will get in by hook or crook, or won't leave without force. Civil war looms in the shadows. What do I know, I've had enough internet for the day!

[Loquacious Lew 272]

I think the later (he will have to be pried from office)  assuming the polls and initial reporting is correct.  He will have to be pried from office because he's such a winner....er whiner.  So far, the day has been relatively calm but the test will be later tonight. 

[EldonZ 37]

He will either fight to stay in if it is close or the GOP will divorce him if it is a landslide. On January 20th, he is out, no matter what, if he either loses or the election cannot be decided. This is in the Constitution! My concern is what damage can he do for the last two months while in office because he acts like a spoiled little brat.

Later,
Eldon

[Kimbers 1,703]

LMAO Polls had Biden landslide and already looks like its too close to call. Just the hung states to come in and last time they went with Trump. Just like Florida just has!!

My Bet may come off!