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Guiliani performed horribly (never presented any facts, just innuendo) and being a yes man to Trump. $20K/day. Absurd !!!  He deserves to get stiffed. A vampire !!!

 

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As one of the Americans who converses here, let me get this out of the way.  Whew.   YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY.       There are  many things to say and consider.  We won a big one.  It's scar

But at least he didn't start a war, legal or otherwise like the previous Presidential trend before him. Every cloud and all that. I'm no Trump fan (to be honest reasonably ambivalent as it's your

Congratulations USA 

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3 hours ago, Loquacious Lew said:

That's true in that the Senate Majority Leader (Chuck Schumer) will be in charge of the procedures but unfortunately, the Senate requires a 2/3 vote to convict.  A simple majority won't do.  If that were the case (simple majority) there would be no question that he would be convicted.  Since the Senate is split 50/50,  the Republican party will be required to provide 17 votes to convict.  Are there 17 honest Republicans in the Senate who will openly consider the evidence and actions that lead up to the riots and sedition in Washington?  That's far from clear.   

 

Hey plumber, ever find any proof of Mandela being a murderer?  I remain open to such if you have it.  If you don't, your last contribution to this thread is received  as good news and an indication that Mandela isn't the monster you have made him out to be.  

Take another look. Wasn’t my post smart arse... 🖕

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I think that description is fair, but I don't think he would have been in any position to state facts to support the various cases, since to date nobody seems to have found any materially relevant cases of fraud (not say there was any , not saying there was none, just that if a few were found in each state it really isn't going to alter the result).

I now cannot think of Trump without thinking of  a mix of Gollum and this (apologies to US members who may not be familiar with this series of films aka movies).

 

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5 hours ago, top-plumber said:

Take another look. Wasn’t my post smart arse... 🖕

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Sorry about that.  It sounded just like you and from here it's hard to see much difference.   Please forward my message to Barry if you'd be so kind as he said he won't be making any more contributions here.  I'll be just as pleased to be corrected about Mandela from him if he can find some evidence.    Now go back to your moaning chair, have a  seat by the fire and a nice hot cuppa.  With my ever so sincere apology  of course. 

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5 hours ago, andydclements said:

I think that description is fair, but I don't think he would have been in any position to state facts to support the various cases, since to date nobody seems to have found any materially relevant cases of fraud (not say there was any , not saying there was none, just that if a few were found in each state it really isn't going to alter the result).

I now cannot think of Trump without thinking of  a mix of Gollum and this (apologies to US members who may not be familiar with this series of films aka movies).

 

 

Not only did I see the movie, I read the books and can sing along with the anthem.  

 

 

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15 hours ago, Techyd said:

I thought the 'buck' of responsibility stops with the president, if it's possible to pardon yourself then where does that responsibility go?  It can't be God!

It isn't good and no man should have such unrestricted power.  I wonder if that will ever be addressed.  That's a constitutional power which means it would require an amendment to alter the scope of the thing.  Nobody expects The Spanish Inquisition....or such a feckless and corrupted president. Big wake up call.  

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8 hours ago, Loquacious Lew said:

Sorry about that.  It sounded just like you and from here it's hard to see much difference.   Please forward my message to Barry if you'd be so kind as he said he won't be making any more contributions here.  I'll be just as pleased to be corrected about Mandela from him if he can find some evidence.    Now go back to your moaning chair, have a  seat by the fire and a nice hot cuppa.  With my ever so sincere apology  of course. 

Ha ha ha ha....😂

Bollocks to you too....

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Chaps - Agree to disagree and end this conversation please. Any further posts directed towards each other will be removed. Ta :)

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1 hour ago, Bibs said:

Chaps - Agree to disagree and end this conversation please. Any further posts directed towards each other will be removed. Ta :)

Spoil sport... 😂

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British Fart to Florida, Nude to New York, Dunce to Denmark, Numpty to Newfoundland.  And Shitfaced Silly Sod to Sweden.

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27 minutes ago, C8RKH said:

However, do not lose sight of the fact that before his incarceration he was one of the founders of the paramilitary arm of the ANC (Spear of the Nation or Umkhonto we Sizwe). As such he was involved in the planning and execution of many acts that did result directly in the deaths of many people in South Africa including women and children. Whilst you can argue these were the casualties of war, or the resistance, or the fight for freedom, as opposed to people who were "murdered", the fact is that he did have "blood on his hands"

Many are very quick to brand Trump responsible for those whom died in the recent events at Capitol Hill. What’s the difference ??

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4 hours ago, Sparky said:

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Totally calm ,law abiding, free speech loving, personal responsibility following conservative here fella. ✌️

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On 15/01/2021 at 06:19, Barrykearley said:

You need to consider the wider implications of Mandela and his family activities during what would be referred to as “the troubles” in the Northern Irish context. One mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist. Martin Maginiss is a prime example and frankly a white Mandela. Just cos he won a peace prize really means nothing to the families of those affected by his actions.

The difference between a freedom fighter and a terrorist is purely defined by whoever ends up on the winning side, giving free reign to create any labels they wish and claim truth to it.

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I wouldn't mind being the flag supplier to Biden's inauguration! 

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So Lil Wayne the rapper was in jail for weapons charges. He has now been granted a presidential pardon.
I believe the number that the news just quoted was something like 137 or something like that.

As well as strategists from his previous teams. 
Just an abuse of power with no checks and balances. 

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Can the words POTUS and well-balanced currently be used in the same sentence?

All we know is that when they stop making this, we will be properly, properly sad.Jeremy Clarkson on the Esprit.

Opinions are like armpits. Everyone has them, some just stink more than others.

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I am not a particular fan of Donald or any other past president but this morning whilst my wife was going on about the people pardoned in the last 24hrs can i googled the figures for Obama.  Interesting reading!

 

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Seems legit :blink:

Trump pardons Bannon and dozens more friends and allies

Donald Trump has granted a last-minute pardon to his former political adviser, Steve Bannon, as part of a flurry of clemency and commutations issued to allies of himself and his family during his final moments as president.

Also on Trump’s list were:

  • Elliott Broidy, a Republican fundraiser who pleaded guilty in a scheme to lobby the Trump administration to drop an investigation into the looting of a Malaysian wealth fund
  • Ken Kurson, a friend of the president’s son-in-law Jared Kushner who was charged last October with cyberstalking during a heated divorce.
  • Rappers Lil Wayne and Kodak Black, both convicted in Florida on weapons charges
  • Rick Renzi, an Arizona Republican who served three years for corruption, money laundering and other charges
  • Duke Cunningham of California, who was convicted of accepting $2.4m in bribes from defence contractors
  • Former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick, who has served about seven years behind bars for a racketeering and bribery scheme
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It is interesting if you look back through our history of Presidents and see how many pardons and commutations given. As far as counts go, Trump is on the low side. The idea behind pardons was to correct for injustice when justice was served harshly or possibly that public sentiment has changed over the following years. Normally, the DOJ would make recommendation and the president could decide. Normally, the President would vet the pardons through the DOJ. As we all have seen, Trump does what Trump wants to do. Therefore, most of his pardons will be for favor and appear to be based in corruption. He has continued with his purversation and corruption of the institution. He has not been the worst at doing this but he is not far behind.

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