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That engineering partner of Toyota also had a flat 12.      

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I am must be stuck in the 80s !  The new Esprit never looked like an Esprit to me, it just looked like a lambo as do most of all the other super cars these days.  If the Esprit does not have pop up headlights its not seen as an esprit to me imo, bit like i see the new vw as a golf, the engine is in the wrong place.!

i think design wise for me that would of suited the new esprit down to a T would of been the concept car from the film the Island think it was a caddy ? Added pop up headlights and a lotus badge and they could of taken a kidney :)

 

 

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A modern take on Fred Flinstone . . .

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Hahaha..... standing astride the transmission, with a whole load of horse :-)

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12 hours ago, Barrykearley said:

I really don't think it needs 500bhp to be frank. I not sure what the obsession is with HP - but both of the esprits which I've owned old cars are lightening fast as it is.

id much rather a nice balance between power, weight and handling......

In my opinion 500HP is a bare minimum. That is if they can make it really light, like 1100kg all in with fluids. If it weights as much as the Evora or even more we would have to be looking at a whole lot more horses.

Many supercars today output over 1000HP. If the new Esprit wants to be competitive it needs to step up. If Lotus doesn't want to compete then I don't think there is much point. The Evora is fine then.

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It's does get to the point that simply adding HP achieves not a fat lot of difference.

Lets face it - if they remade the last esprit with all the new fandango composite materials - I bet the weight would be a heck of a lot lighter than the original.  Sometimes the old adage of adding lightness rings true

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I agree with you. It's not only about adding horses. But horses are important. It needs to be competitive or it won't be taken seriously. There is just so much weight you can cut. Koenigsegg already has a car with a power to weight ratio at 1:1. A new Esprit has to keep up with the times. It doesn't need to fully beat all of them. But it needs to keep up.

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Koenigsegg is a whole different barrel of fish, Compared to build quality, materials, design, the clientel who purchase these cars pay an absolute fortune, this ensures top materials, massive amounts of man hours, etc. The esprit would never have to compete with this brand, . It is lambo, ferrari turf the Esprit would be looking to  make a target. :)

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I don't think the Esprit was competing against itself, it was was competing with, and was infact better than the V8 Ferraris, 944s and 911s of the time, only problem was, it was too cheap, and often overlooked because of this.

If a new Esprit was a sharpened up Stevens, it would end up being a Giugiaro, however the original G car is like nothing else, and is timeless. I tend to agree with @swindon_alan, a lower wider S1, sharpened still further, gullwing or lamborghini style doors, LED waistline, glass covered halo eye twin headlamps, and yes they gotta pop-up. The power plant, sorry it's got to be big, it's got to be powerful nothing less than 500 will suffice. The interior modern, luxurious, comfortable and British. I could go on and on and on, Oh, I have done, sorry.

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I quite liked the Bahar concept Esprit, but personally I would like to see Lotus doing what Ford did with the GT, Fiat the 500 and BMW with the mini and doing an updated version of the S1/S2/S3.  Retro is in now and there are not too many who don't like the original G car silhouette.

Maybe get the great man involved too...? 

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I reckon if they put the V8 they developed for the still born (new) Esprit and then electric motors on the front axle it would have the pulling power out of the corners like the Porsche 918 and be that much more competitive with the opposition. I don't know about the body design but people who saw it said it was beautiful!

I'm very sad they aren't building it. :(

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This. 

I think Lotus are better poised than anyone to dive into the world of hybrid supercars. Take the BMW i8 - it gets way too little attention, but it is for me representative of what a modern Esprit would be. The design is daring and beautiful in its production form (not even far off from the concept). The power is a lowly but respectable 350 bhp. A good balance of looks, exclusivity and performance.

Lotus could design a new tiny 4-pot, turbocharge the crap out of it, and mate it with small electric engines. Say 500 hp - less than the competition, but with superior performance. The 0-62 mph should be really decent, say 3,5 seconds, but the top speed can remain modest, just like the original Esprits.

Vanya Stanisavljevic '91 Esprit SE | '97 XK8

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I agree Barry. You can't use it om most tracks either and from what I've seen a lot of the Hypercars don't handle too well at speed anyway so are not exactly fun on the track.

Supercars seem to be where it is at - a 488, Macca, etc is a good mix of performance, speed AND agility. That's exactly where the new Esprit should be.

Veyrons and the like are just for posing around Knightsbridge and the like by people with more money than taste. They'd never want to be seen in a Lotus as not "bling bling" enough which is absolutely fine by me!

But then, who am I to say....

 

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Alcohol. Sex. Tobacco. Drugs. Chocolate.  Meh! NOTHING in this world is as addictive as an Evora +0. It's not for babies!    

The first guy to ride a bull for fun, was a true hero. The second man to follow him was truly nuts!   

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I Agree C8RKH,   The Veyron was just a test to see the limits a car could be built to, and indeed they did it very well as the car is mind blowing in terms of engineering but i personally think its as ugly as a pig !  It certainally would not be on my shopping list even if my numbers came up on  lottery roll over. :)

The lotus brand although expensive does not fit into the mind set of what normal people think thankfully, the brand is admired for its history and stunning looks and handling, people love the cars, and yet although some ferraris. lambos are very good looking most peolple think the people that own them have an air of been stuck up, show of about them that is what most people think, hence why they are always asked " how much did it cost "  most questions from people about the lotus are normally " stunning looking car " or " i have never seen one of these before "  or " they used to race with the black and gold jps colours in formula 1 didnt they "  etc. :)

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Yes that @silverfrostis exactly what makes me support the brand. Lotus build cars that look good, but most importantly, that owners want to drive.

Non owners understand that they are cheap cars ( comparatively speaking when you talk about Ferrari, McLaren etc) that are bought by enthusiasts. As opposed to many Porsches, Ferraris and Lambos etc that are bought by posers.

I think the longevity of the brand helps a great deal and Lotus has a "cheap reputation" and that is not meant as an insult or sleight, but more from the realistic potential to own and run one without a lottery win being needed.

The racing heritage plays a strong part too, and here Lotus is in great company with Mclaren - another British marque that is liked by the general public.

I am of course a biased fan boy and make no apologies for it!

Alcohol. Sex. Tobacco. Drugs. Chocolate.  Meh! NOTHING in this world is as addictive as an Evora +0. It's not for babies!    

The first guy to ride a bull for fun, was a true hero. The second man to follow him was truly nuts!   

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As a poser-owner of a Ferrari and a previous owner of a rather nice V8 Esprit - plus my 1972 Lotus Europa Special and a +2S 130/5 and Europa twin-can before, I can offer a comment based at least on 41 years' experience, but not necessarily expertise.

It will take a giant leap for Lotus to take on the hyper-car manufacturers.  Ferrari, McLaren, Lamborghini, Audi and Porsche and the like make impressive cars.  The top-end models are way beyond what most of us can afford and that's before we consider the specialist manufacturers that produce astonishing cars in tiny numbers.

The old V8 Esprit was quck, agile and comfy but, as time passed, increasingly dated.  The engine was a disappointment principally because it was not adopted by other manufacturers (memories of Jensen-Healey?), the interior was way behind evolving technology, lots of suspension and other exposed components rusted and of course, the end-of-limits gearbox was probably the principal cause of its demise.

In the time I have had my F430, which was a step-change upwards from the Esprit in all areas, Ferrari brought out the 458 and now, they have the 488.  That's right, two more models.  Production of the Esprit ended in was it 2003?  Since then . . . nothing.

Lotus have the nice Evora, but that remains achingly distant from other manufacturers' super- and hyper-cars.

Unless I have missed something, there are no plans to move on from the Evora so the Elise will continue to provide the core of Lotus's production.

What happened to ambition?

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45 minutes ago, Winter said:

What happened to ambition?

Money. Or lack thereof.

I wonder if the Evora 400 really feels genuinely inferior to a 458 in practise though? 

Vanya Stanisavljevic '91 Esprit SE | '97 XK8

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Lotus have never been in the Hypercar class, or the Supercar class for that matter Edward, if you believe the hype. Chapman wanted to pull Lotus away from the kit car stereotype they'd fallen into, but he wanted to win races more, so in the end the cars got slapped together, without the budget they deserved. They were ingenious, but compromised. 

The only people who admire Lotus cars are Lotus owners. Everyone else is trading on cliché and the longest running joke in the history of motoring. 

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Hyper car...Supercar....who cares. as the Bard has it..." A rose by any other name would smell as sweet..."  Yes, Esprits are compromised. Everything is, pretty much....but I can't think of anything else I'd want to replace it with. Perhaps, if you have enough money to afford the stupid prices some vehicles sell for, then you wouldn't consider a Lotus...but for the average Joe, it remains within reach and one has to say that it has iconic status, despite the flaws.

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John I'm with you 100%, who cares. We have ours and we're the richer for it. I had just watched a video by the Goodwood people that had the lots of trouble thing in the title, where the Goodwood editor expected to buy a £600 worn out Eclat and for it to be everything a Lotus should be. I'm still astounded that "car" people of such revered standing could lower themselves to partake in the sort of bullshit propaganda that continues to plague (classic) Lotus. Your French car park guy IS a Lotus owner, just one who for whatever reason has never actually got his Lotus :D 

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