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Blimey! - Everyone's at it! Just to remind folk what proper tyres look like :

not yet :-) for the moment I am using the AVON ZZR (I got them with my new wheels, so the toyo are sleeping for the moment). Today was my first experience whit the AVON tyres on track. And I

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They do look good, might well give them a try after my AD08R's when I next need a refresh. 

£118 on the fronts each and £163 for the rears isn't too dissimilar a price. 

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Hmm, not so cheap for V6S sizes! £266 per rear?

I can see these being fine on the lighter S1 and S2 cars, but my experience of 888s on a car of almost identical weight to the V6 (albeit FWD) is that they don't last long...

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This is for all intents and purposes a new tyre though...

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I ran R888's on my Westfield before changing to Toyo TR1's. Brilliant tyre, but they do wear fast on any car. Would be interested to hear how folks get on with them. 

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Before I ran the old R888's I used to always use Yoko AO48's and found the wear rates quite similar (both fairly heavy!). I switched to the R888's because they were cheaper and thought I'd give them a go. I found I preferred them as dry grip was comparable, but the Toyo's were more predictable in the wet than the Yoko's which I found very snappy. This was seven or eight years ago now though. Time flies! If I was looking for a set of track day tyres to fit to a spare set of rims, these would be very high on my list of tyres to try.

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2 hours ago, geartox said:

I have just ordered a set of R888R. I will use them in August or September on track.

 

Cool. Let us know how you get on. Did you order from demon tweeks or elsewhere? Looks like about £700 for full set from Demon Tweeks which doesn't seem to bad really ?

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It would either take almighty reviews, or a decent cost differential to prise me away from Avon ZZR's - they generate really strong grip but are nonetheless very benign and predictable at the limit of adhesion. Must admit I do like the appearance of the Toyo's though, so I'm keen to hear the opinions of the early adopters among us...

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On 19 July 2016 at 22:06, D.no said:

It would either take almighty reviews, or a decent cost differential to prise me away from Avon ZZR's - they generate really strong grip but are nonetheless very benign and predictable at the limit of adhesion. Must admit I do like the appearance of the Toyo's though, so I'm keen to hear the opinions of the early adopters among us...

What does a set of Avons cost? They must come in pretty similar? Based on nothing what so ever I would assume the Toyos would wear quicker? 

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Just under £800 for a set of Avons fitted.

I got 4k miles from a pair of rear Corsa's on the road (only did 1 track day on them), so however you look at it, rear tyres are going to be a fairly constant consumable. All of the tyre options are relatively inexpensive and like all things dynamics related it's about finding a compromise you're happy with: If you want exceptional dry grip you'll pay the price with wear rate I guess (and water clearing capabilities). I'd rather base my choices on performance (grip), feel, and on-limit behaviour than secondary ride, cost and longevity but as I don't have limitless resources to try all of the available options I rely on forums like this and reviews to inform the purchase decision. Big thanks to those who've recommended the Avon ZZR's.

 

 

12 hours ago, geartox said:

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You've had them for at least 11 hours now. I assume you were out scrubbing them in all night, so how are they?:cheers:

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Before to use the R888R, I will get with my second set of wheels, partially used Avon ZZR. It will be a good opportunity to compare.

Dean, which tyre pressure do you recommend for the AVON on track ?

 

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It will be fantastic to get your feedback - it's great news for all of us that there are more tyre options opening up.
 
I go with these recommendations from Avon:
 

Minimum cold starting pressure: 22psi (This is the pressure the tyre is set to prior to a session/ heat cycle). Running any lower than this could potentially damage the tyres sidewall construction. Avon Motorsport does not recommend specific starting pressures. This is due to the variables involved (i.e. track conditions, track and ambient temperatures, circuit layout, session length, driving characteristics).

Target hot pressure: 30psi (This is the optimum pressure for the tyre to be run at whilst at operating temperature). To obtain this target hot pressure there may be a requirement to start each tyre at different cold starting pressures; this is due to each tyre inevitably working at different levels. The cold starting pressure required to achieve the target hot pressure will depend on the variables stated above.

Right or wrong (and I'd love to hear other's feedback on this) I run 28 front and rear (cold) on the road but must admit I don't monitor the pressures or wear at all upon returning home after day to day driving (it's on my "to do" list!). All I can report is that the balance feels spot on, with the front and rear working nicely as a matched pair. I'll let you know how those pressures stack-up after a run when (if) I get round to measuring the hot pressures.

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Are the Avon ZZR available in 205/45/17 ? I thought they were not. <_<

May be those who have mounted this tyre got another size (215/40/17 for example).

If it is so, have you felt a big change in the car reactions? 

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ZZR's are not available in the standard (Corsa/Trofeo) front sizes, the closest is the 215/40/17as you point out. This is slightly wider (fits the rim better), and nominally has a slightly lower rolling radius due to the profile reduction not being quite offset by the increase in width. For a 40 profile tyre, the ideal width in terms of matching the original rolling radius would be 230 but as no such size is made, a 225/40/17 would be a better replacement for a 205/45/17, and would be ok on the 7.5" wide rim. However I can't find a track-oriented tyre in that size.

The turn-in is sharper (stiffer sidewall, and less tread-block movement?) and front-end grip is a lot better, when compared to Corsa's.

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I have received my second set of wheels with used AVON ZZR. I have tested on road yesterday. I have to maintain the steering wheel 10° to the right to go straight. The vendor got the same thing on his car (a V6 cup)  whereas balancing and geometry were done. The explanation I received is that it's due to the fact that front type are 215 instead of 205... mmmm technically I don't understand.

So I ask to owners of the AVON ZZR, do you have the same behavior ?

 

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I have just contacted a specialist. For him it's absolutely not linked to the size of the tyre. I will make a small test by swapping the front wheels to check if the problem is inverted.

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