alias23 1,515 Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 Well these look aggressive! Seem to be coming in our sizes over the next month.... Thoughts? http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/top-100/motorsport-top-100/toyo-r888r-tyre Quote www.alias23.com Link to post Share on other sites
Bibs 11,106 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 They do look good, might well give them a try after my AD08R's when I next need a refresh. £118 on the fronts each and £163 for the rears isn't too dissimilar a price. Quote 88 Esprit NA, 89 Esprit Turbo SE, Evora, Evora S, Evora IPS, Evora S IPS, Evora S IPS SR, Evora 400, Elise S1, Elise S1 111s, Evora GT410 Sport Evora NA For forum issues, please contact the Moderators. I will aim to respond to emails/PM's Mon-Fri 9-6 GMT. Link to post Share on other sites
Neal H 873 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 Oooh, they do look nice. I used to run the old R888's a few years ago on my Honda powered S2 Elise and thought back then that they were a great tyre. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ian Lockwood 4 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 Hmm, not so cheap for V6S sizes! £266 per rear? I can see these being fine on the lighter S1 and S2 cars, but my experience of 888s on a car of almost identical weight to the V6 (albeit FWD) is that they don't last long... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bibs 11,106 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 This is for all intents and purposes a new tyre though... Quote 88 Esprit NA, 89 Esprit Turbo SE, Evora, Evora S, Evora IPS, Evora S IPS, Evora S IPS SR, Evora 400, Elise S1, Elise S1 111s, Evora GT410 Sport Evora NA For forum issues, please contact the Moderators. I will aim to respond to emails/PM's Mon-Fri 9-6 GMT. Link to post Share on other sites
Kalli 253 Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 I ran R888's on my Westfield before changing to Toyo TR1's. Brilliant tyre, but they do wear fast on any car. Would be interested to hear how folks get on with them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neal H 873 Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 Before I ran the old R888's I used to always use Yoko AO48's and found the wear rates quite similar (both fairly heavy!). I switched to the R888's because they were cheaper and thought I'd give them a go. I found I preferred them as dry grip was comparable, but the Toyo's were more predictable in the wet than the Yoko's which I found very snappy. This was seven or eight years ago now though. Time flies! If I was looking for a set of track day tyres to fit to a spare set of rims, these would be very high on my list of tyres to try. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geartox 592 Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 I have just ordered a set of R888R. I will use them in August or September on track. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RedViper 84 Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 2 hours ago, geartox said: I have just ordered a set of R888R. I will use them in August or September on track. Cool. Let us know how you get on. Did you order from demon tweeks or elsewhere? Looks like about £700 for full set from Demon Tweeks which doesn't seem to bad really ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
D.no 16 Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 It would either take almighty reviews, or a decent cost differential to prise me away from Avon ZZR's - they generate really strong grip but are nonetheless very benign and predictable at the limit of adhesion. Must admit I do like the appearance of the Toyo's though, so I'm keen to hear the opinions of the early adopters among us... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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RedViper 84 Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 On 19 July 2016 at 22:06, D.no said: It would either take almighty reviews, or a decent cost differential to prise me away from Avon ZZR's - they generate really strong grip but are nonetheless very benign and predictable at the limit of adhesion. Must admit I do like the appearance of the Toyo's though, so I'm keen to hear the opinions of the early adopters among us... What does a set of Avons cost? They must come in pretty similar? Based on nothing what so ever I would assume the Toyos would wear quicker? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
D.no 16 Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Just under £800 for a set of Avons fitted. I got 4k miles from a pair of rear Corsa's on the road (only did 1 track day on them), so however you look at it, rear tyres are going to be a fairly constant consumable. All of the tyre options are relatively inexpensive and like all things dynamics related it's about finding a compromise you're happy with: If you want exceptional dry grip you'll pay the price with wear rate I guess (and water clearing capabilities). I'd rather base my choices on performance (grip), feel, and on-limit behaviour than secondary ride, cost and longevity but as I don't have limitless resources to try all of the available options I rely on forums like this and reviews to inform the purchase decision. Big thanks to those who've recommended the Avon ZZR's. 12 hours ago, geartox said: You've had them for at least 11 hours now. I assume you were out scrubbing them in all night, so how are they? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geartox 592 Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Before to use the R888R, I will get with my second set of wheels, partially used Avon ZZR. It will be a good opportunity to compare. Dean, which tyre pressure do you recommend for the AVON on track ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
D.no 16 Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 It will be fantastic to get your feedback - it's great news for all of us that there are more tyre options opening up. I go with these recommendations from Avon: Minimum cold starting pressure: 22psi (This is the pressure the tyre is set to prior to a session/ heat cycle). Running any lower than this could potentially damage the tyres sidewall construction. Avon Motorsport does not recommend specific starting pressures. This is due to the variables involved (i.e. track conditions, track and ambient temperatures, circuit layout, session length, driving characteristics). Target hot pressure: 30psi (This is the optimum pressure for the tyre to be run at whilst at operating temperature). To obtain this target hot pressure there may be a requirement to start each tyre at different cold starting pressures; this is due to each tyre inevitably working at different levels. The cold starting pressure required to achieve the target hot pressure will depend on the variables stated above. Right or wrong (and I'd love to hear other's feedback on this) I run 28 front and rear (cold) on the road but must admit I don't monitor the pressures or wear at all upon returning home after day to day driving (it's on my "to do" list!). All I can report is that the balance feels spot on, with the front and rear working nicely as a matched pair. I'll let you know how those pressures stack-up after a run when (if) I get round to measuring the hot pressures. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bibs 11,106 Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Quote 88 Esprit NA, 89 Esprit Turbo SE, Evora, Evora S, Evora IPS, Evora S IPS, Evora S IPS SR, Evora 400, Elise S1, Elise S1 111s, Evora GT410 Sport Evora NA For forum issues, please contact the Moderators. I will aim to respond to emails/PM's Mon-Fri 9-6 GMT. Link to post Share on other sites
D.no 16 Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Blimey! - Everyone's at it! Just to remind folk what proper tyres look like : 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geartox 592 Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 thank you Dean. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dani 39 Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Are the Avon ZZR available in 205/45/17 ? I thought they were not. May be those who have mounted this tyre got another size (215/40/17 for example). If it is so, have you felt a big change in the car reactions? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
D.no 16 Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 ZZR's are not available in the standard (Corsa/Trofeo) front sizes, the closest is the 215/40/17as you point out. This is slightly wider (fits the rim better), and nominally has a slightly lower rolling radius due to the profile reduction not being quite offset by the increase in width. For a 40 profile tyre, the ideal width in terms of matching the original rolling radius would be 230 but as no such size is made, a 225/40/17 would be a better replacement for a 205/45/17, and would be ok on the 7.5" wide rim. However I can't find a track-oriented tyre in that size. The turn-in is sharper (stiffer sidewall, and less tread-block movement?) and front-end grip is a lot better, when compared to Corsa's. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alias23 1,515 Posted July 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Are the ZZRs asymmetric? Quote www.alias23.com Link to post Share on other sites
Bravo73 1,289 Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 No. Directional. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geartox 592 Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 I have received my second set of wheels with used AVON ZZR. I have tested on road yesterday. I have to maintain the steering wheel 10° to the right to go straight. The vendor got the same thing on his car (a V6 cup) whereas balancing and geometry were done. The explanation I received is that it's due to the fact that front type are 215 instead of 205... mmmm technically I don't understand. So I ask to owners of the AVON ZZR, do you have the same behavior ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NANO 127 Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 Personally I feel very, very strange ... I've never heard such a thing ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geartox 592 Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 I have just contacted a specialist. For him it's absolutely not linked to the size of the tyre. I will make a small test by swapping the front wheels to check if the problem is inverted. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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