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1 hour ago, C8RKH said:

How about the ones that allowed companies like Apple to syphon of billions with an effective corporate tax rate of 0.0005% and then after it was ruled illegal by the EU in 2016 the Irish government then started to spend millions appealing the decision to prevent billions from going into public public coffers?

You couldn't get away with a film script like that lol...

I see what you are referring too now. That appeal is still ongoing.

What I'm not sure is the point you are trying to make. 'Divergence' from EU standards covers a myriad of things most of which there would be no point diverging from for the sake of it. In fact we are currently fully aligned and trade works quite nicely. The problem comes with divergence as no one thing sits in isolation and there are knock on effects. 

The fisheries question is a good starting point which is a minute drop in the ocean when it comes to EU/UK trade but is a political hot potato with UK fishermen complaining about French boats stealing our fish. Stand up for the British fishermen go the headlines. What nobody mentions is that those British fishermen sell 80% of their catch to the EU, so pissing them off is only going to backfire. You can have lovely exclusive fishing rights, but nobody to sell your fish too - great.

It goes back to my original post - it is very complicated and intertwined and the headlines do not do justice to the small details that will actually deeply influence some people's lives

 

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On 25/01/2020 at 15:28, gregs24 said:

the reality is the EU is responsible for a lot of positive progress since we joined

If this is really true, why weren't their positive actions being shouted from the rooftops? Before the referendum, a list of their achievements would have gone a long way to persuading people to remain. I heard and was unable to find anything significant. So remove a layer of bureaucratic pigs troughing from the taxpayers toil, and let the individuals trade freely with each other without skewing the markets towards protectionism.

 

8 hours ago, gregs24 said:

those British fishermen sell 80% of their catch to the EU, so pissing them off is only going to backfire.

Do you really think EU citizens would refuse to buy fish caught by British fishermen? They wouldn't care who caught it, as long as it is still available on their supermarket shelf. And if the consumption of fish from UK waters is cut by 80%, perhaps fish stocks would have a chance of recovering to a sustainable level.

I say let the Dutch floating fish factory ply its trade in someone else's water. Australian have banned it already, happy if the UK were able to do the same.

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The EU have eliminated child poverty, hunger and homelessness in the UK - oooh hang on....nope they haven’t.

The EU have assisted in the uncontrolled migration into the uk  leaving massive shortages of housing, raising crime rates, crippling the nhs, obliterating our own cultural identity... the list goes on and on. 

This is frankly why so many individuals voted just the way they did. The EU does nothing for the normal working person.


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The EU assisting corporations to avoid tax is the main reason I voted leave. Its scandalous.

If you look at two specific cases namely Ebay and Paypal, all their billing is done in Luxembourg at rate of 1% CT. The EU have not done anything at all about this because the deals were set up by Juncker. This is corruption pure and simple. The total amount of CT lost to these and other deals is enormous but is never included by remainers when they moan about the 350 million "lie" on that bus. The real amount we lose if CT and VAT is included is way over that figure.

On the subject of Germany, the situation is dire but is not reported by their press. I think I must have mentioned this before on here but my company makes and supplies a component used in PC-based panic alarms. We have sold over 3000 of these to German government contractors who install them in all their public service offices owing to the number of violent attacks employees are receiving.

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57 minutes ago, machine7 said:

  

If this is really true, why weren't their positive actions being shouted from the rooftops? Before the referendum, a list of their achievements would have gone a long way to persuading people to remain. I heard and was unable to find anything significant. So remove a layer of bureaucratic pigs troughing from the taxpayers toil, and let the individuals trade freely with each other without skewing the markets towards protectionism.

 

 

This is where you have to be careful of confirmation bias. Leavers will always look for 'facts' that support their view and the same for remainer's. It is quite ludicrous to say the EU has done NOTHING positive as you are well aware.

Car safety is one area where huge strides have been made by the EU as an example. No doubt you will disagree because you will quote one small area where this hasn't happened for you but that doesn't make it untrue. Confirmation bias is a very dangerous problem in many areas not just political views.

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I read that in the EU Parliament exit proceedings later today, a German MEP is planning a sing-a-long to Auld Lang Syne, and the SNP has arranged for a piper to play them out of the building.


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Are we leaving this weekend? I seem to recall an almighty doom and gloom, yet now there is bugger all about it. have the issues been resolved ?


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3 hours ago, gregs24 said:

 

Car safety is one area where huge strides have been made by the EU as an example. 

What?

In what way have the EU made any difference to car safety? Are you thinking of Euro NCAP which is not an EU organisation, much like the European Patent Agency and many others which are not the EU and not affected by Brexit.

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5 hours ago, Andyww said:

What?

In what way have the EU made any difference to car safety? Are you thinking of Euro NCAP which is not an EU organisation, much like the European Patent Agency and many others which are not the EU and not affected by Brexit.

Eh ?

Type approval is regulated by EU directives governing safety of passengers and pedestrians. EU regulates active and passive safety of cars sold in the EU via type approval. I'm not saying that safety wouldn't have improved anyway as it has elsewhere in the world but the EU directives ensure that whatever car you buy today you can be assured about certain levels of safety. 

 

Have a read here if you don't want to believe me https://ec.europa.eu/transport/road_safety/sites/roadsafety/files/pdf/ersosynthesis2018-adas.pdf

 

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6 hours ago, red vtec said:

Are we leaving this weekend? I seem to recall an almighty doom and gloom, yet now there is bugger all about it. have the issues been resolved ?

We are leaving under the transition agreement which means effectively everything continues as normal for the duration of this agreement that takes us to the end of the year, but during the transition the new relationship with the EU is negotiated including a trade agreement. We are now also able to enter into negotiations with third countries on trade relationships as well as all manor of other things. There is much more to this than trade and it will be very difficult to disentangle ourselves from the EU just because we have been a member so long. There are a huge number of reciprocal agreements that need to be established for incredibly small things but they all add up. One example of a small matter is what UK registered car number plates will change to post brexit and what will need to be displayed when driving in Europe, because that is not agreed as yet. It may seem a minor thing, but there are literally millions of these sorts of things to resolve.

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9 hours ago, gregs24 said:

Confirmation bias is a very dangerous problem in many areas not just political views

So is Stockholm syndrome.

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The EU are fantastic - they even organised a fight between French police and firemen today 👍

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1 minute ago, Barrykearley said:

The EU are fantastic - they even organised a fight between French police and firemen today 👍

And Spain is gearing ip for a fight with Germany and France.

Hungary are saying uck u to everyone.

Poland is saying stick your court up your ass we doing what we want

Italy - oh yeah, they're having a coffee break

And Ireland's telling everyone how powerful they are.

I'm chewing through the popcorn with this lot.

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You forgot the Greek islanders whom went on a general strike cos they are fed up with the immigrants they have been lumbered with looking after (read stealing and sexually harassing locals)


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1 hour ago, gregs24 said:

We are leaving under the transition agreement which means effectively everything continues as normal for the duration of this agreement that takes us to the end of the year, but during the transition the new relationship with the EU is negotiated including a trade agreement. We are now also able to enter into negotiations with third countries on trade relationships as well as all manor of other things. There is much more to this than trade and it will be very difficult to disentangle ourselves from the EU just because we have been a member so long. There are a huge number of reciprocal agreements that need to be established for incredibly small things but they all add up. One example of a small matter is what UK registered car number plates will change to post brexit and what will need to be displayed when driving in Europe, because that is not agreed as yet. It may seem a minor thing, but there are literally millions of these sorts of things to resolve.

I was being slightly tongue in cheek. I recall only a few months ago, retainers were saying that come midnight of the day we leave the lights would go out. This seems to have abated. 

Just watching the news plenty of MEPs that I have never heard off crying about leaving  more like loosing a nice little earner. 

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But we do seem to be seeing Trump's darker side (albeit the less dark one isn't nice) where he /his government seem to be threatening us if we don't do exactly what he asks. Not that it's caused by Brexit, but wasn't one of the "promises" that we'd get great trade agreements with USA?

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2 hours ago, red vtec said:

I was being slightly tongue in cheek. I recall only a few months ago, retainers were saying that come midnight of the day we leave the lights would go out. This seems to have abated. 

Just watching the news plenty of MEPs that I have never heard off crying about leaving  more like loosing a nice little earner. 

That was more in the case of a 'no deal' brexit - with an agreement in place actually nothing changes at all for now. I thought retainers were for teeth 😉

Those MEP's were elected by us and earn similar to UK MP's, Interestingly they get taxed twice on their salary, once by the EU and then by their home country.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/faq/13/salaries-and-pensions

 

1 hour ago, andydclements said:

But we do seem to be seeing Trump's darker side (albeit the less dark one isn't nice) where he /his government seem to be threatening us if we don't do exactly what he asks. Not that it's caused by Brexit, but wasn't one of the "promises" that we'd get great trade agreements with USA?

This was always going to be an issue. Dealing with Trump who changes his mind from day to day because he is by his own admission brilliant is never going to be easy. He uses trade to try and bully his way around the world.

 

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10 hours ago, gregs24 said:

That was more in the case of a 'no deal' brexit - with an agreement in place actually nothing changes at all for now. I thought retainers were for teeth 😉

Those MEP's were elected by us and earn similar to UK MP's, Interestingly they get taxed twice on their salary, once by the EU and then by their home country.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/faq/13/salaries-and-pensions

 

This was always going to be an issue. Dealing with Trump who changes his mind from day to day because he is by his own admission brilliant is never going to be easy. He uses trade to try and bully his way around the world.

 

The Stockholm is strong in this one.

Yes they get paid twice but you must in a previous life have worked for Boris as a PR agent as your insinuation is totally misleading.  They get paid £7.6k a month, which is reduced  to £5.9k after EU tax and insurance is deducted. However that £5.9k is then subject to UK tax BUT ONLY at a rate that is equivalent to full UK taxation (i.e. the total of the EU and UK taxation paid is the equivalent, so no more, than the prevailing rate of tax in the UK). So whilst technically they get taxed twice, they do not lose out. However, it is not the same in all 28 (as we are still in today) EU countries with some countries excluding their MEP's from their national tax regimes.  I do think this paints quite a different picture to the one you were painting.

 

11 hours ago, andydclements said:

But we do seem to be seeing Trump's darker side (albeit the less dark one isn't nice) where he /his government seem to be threatening us if we don't do exactly what he asks. Not that it's caused by Brexit, but wasn't one of the "promises" that we'd get great trade agreements with USA?

The promise was that we would negotiate a strong trade deal with the US and what are you seeing to suggest we wont?  Of course Trump, as President of the US, is positioning for the best deal he can get for his people. Isn't that what you would expect and what you would want Boris, as Prime Minister of the UK to do?  Do you think the UK Government is NOT threatening the EU 27 around things like access to our fishing grounds? Do you think the EU 27 are not threatening us with access to their lucrative Financial Services market?  Isn't this just diplomacy and the usual political modus operandii? (if you of course exclude Corbyn's take what you want and thank you for leaving me whatever you decide I am worthy to keep style of political modus operandii).


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Woke up this morning and I’m now really worried. The sun indeed hasn’t risen - I’m fearing the remainers were right...

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Woo hoo. We're out. The sun is shining. The wind is blowing and like the tide the Pound is surging!

All great news apart from that last bit. We need to peg it right back.

Hope all the doomdusters, naysayers, harbingers of Remain are gagging on their flawed crystal balls.

Still a long way to go and many a bump to come.


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