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Interesting speech and worth watching just to see shots of Merkel's stoney face. But please remember that AfD is the new far right wing Party that is causing so much political turbulence in Germany, particularly in the former East German territories.  Her's is not the view of the vast majority of Germans.

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43 minutes ago, C8RKH said:

 

Meanwhile, back in the UK, Corbyn objects to the BBC offer of timing for the joint leaders debate, saying he would prefer ITV to host as they would ensure it did not clash with  the final of I'm a Celebrity. WTF have we become? Really?  Anyone on here still seriously think that this absolute joke of a leader has the credentials to lead this country?

 

Exactly, not just a pathetic politician but a thoroughly pathetic individual who, given his past record of providing U.K. secrets to Russia, Palestine etc should bar him from being any kind of a public figure

His only view as leader of the opposition is to oppose everything, as once again demonstrated, and push for his own vested gain and collapse the U.K. economy. He has never uttered one constructive word in his life

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2 hours ago, LotusLeftLotusRight said:

Interesting speech and worth watching just to see shots of Merkel's stoney face. But please remember that AfD is the new far right wing Party that is causing so much political turbulence in Germany, particularly in the former East German territories.  Her's is not the view of the vast majority of Germans.

So, we have the AfD in Germany. We have Hungary. We have poland. We have growing discord in France with the EU. And of course we have Italy who are threatening to sue the EU and vice versa.  Remind again of the benefits that staying in what could a Union that collapses in the next 5-10 years are?

Better we get out now and then avoid the massive bills and financial recriminations when it all comes tumbling down.

She may have been far right AfD, but she talks sense, and she presents it ina  calm, factual manner. She provides clear evidence of the earlier warnings and how, with them being ignored by the EU elite, they are seeing the repercussions predicted. Better the AfD's far right than our own looney socialist Labour leader and his party in the UK anyday who will do anything to get the Red Flag flying, and keep it flying, here.   Ypa!

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It’s a very powerful speech - bet this isn’t reported anywhere in the UK.

the most interesting thing is if this were touted by the media it would be spun as a right wing racist bigoted view.

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Benjamin Zephaniah is on question time - he’s contributed some fantastic sound bites tonight

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Will put my head above the parapet here, being a remainer and yes I am one of the 48% of the population that did so, as that figure change? if we are honest we don’t know. Will keep my opinion to my self why I thought this was wrong outcome and still do, but i respect democracy and we have to leave. My concern here is the extreme brexit views being posted on this thread are not hopeful to the thoughts of the many European friends we have in the forum. It was much better when we all had something in common to moan about, like the weekly special editions coming out of Hethel,  better than some of the Toxic views being posted on here, I am sorry if I have offended anyone, unlike some on here, just my thoughts for what it counts.

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I’m really not sure I have seen anything that I would refer to as toxic on here to be honest.

a frank exchange of views regarding an unelected super elite dictatorship which is stripping our country of its sovereignty - there’s definitely been plenty of that 👍

i hated the last labour government - but for me - I made the best of it and it was absolutely fine. That’s democracy 

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I do not think the EU is happy that England is leaving. Someone thinks it's the beginning of the end for the EU.

We have decided currently  to stay ,but EU have to change many things. We are forced to throw our oranges and we have to buy them in spain, we had to change our name to an old wine because a country from the east said that their wine is the genuine name. These are just a few examples.

However, if the EU fails it is a very bad thing. Europe is small and its states are even smaller. There are huge nations like China and India that are getting stronger, it will be very difficult to defend our interests if  we are not united.

I repeat, it 's very difficult for me to imagine the EU without England, I hope that someone in the EU wakes up before it is too late

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8 hours ago, scotty435 said:

Will put my head above the parapet here, being a remainer and yes I am one of the 48% of the population that did so, as that figure change? if we are honest we don’t know. Will keep my opinion to my self why I thought this was wrong outcome and still do, but i respect democracy and we have to leave. My concern here is the extreme brexit views being posted on this thread are not hopeful to the thoughts of the many European friends we have in the forum. It was much better when we all had something in common to moan about, like the weekly special editions coming out of Hethel,  better than some of the Toxic views being posted on here, I am sorry if I have offended anyone, unlike some on here, just my thoughts for what it counts.

I think we might be the only remoaners on here :D

I still think its all going to go away. 

Deal gets voted down > Cons Brexit loonies still can't get enough votes > No General election forces referendum > UK votes to remain with 58% of the vote. :D

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Stuff we buy from Europe will not be more expensive unless we decide to impose tariffs which would be a strange thing to do.

We will never need a visa to go on holiday in Europe.

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I slightly disagree @Andyww. If we have no deal and our goods to the EU are subject to Tariffs then we should reciprocate in the first instance. Over time we can decide if we want to do anything different.

Also, with regards to holidays, I do believe we will need a VISA but I expect it will be a "one time" Visa that is for all 27 EU countries on say a 12 month validity period. Again, this is no hardship! I need a visa for Turkey and it's no issue...

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53 minutes ago, Andyww said:

Stuff we buy from Europe will not be more expensive unless we decide to impose tariffs which would be a strange thing to do.

We will never need a visa to go on holiday in Europe.

I don't understand your reasoning with this Andy.

If the EU imposes tariffs on UK goods we need to reciprocate in identical measures. Failure to do this will have the EU laughing all the way to the bank while UK businesses suffer.

If the EU is prepared to cut off it's nose to spite it's face with tariffs we need to make it just as difficult for them, pressure from EU business leaders will prevail eventually, remember with the huge trade deficit they have far more to lose than us.

So initially if you are determined to buy an overpriced BMW you will be worse off. So buy a Jag instead.

 

 

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We would not be allowed to impose tariffs under WTO rules unless we apply equally to all countries. 

But yes sure, if the EU impose tariffs we can reciprocate, on a global basis, but we should at least start out without any.

There are many "no deal" advocates who are proposing this approach. One exception is James Dyson who proposes imposing max tariffs and then the extra revenue which the chancellor gains (approx 12 Billion a year) can be spent as the government sees fit, maybe the NHS. I dont really agree with this. At the end of the day a tariff is just an extra tax like VAT.

 

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3 minutes ago, Andyww said:

We would not be allowed to impose tariffs under WTO rules unless we apply equally to all countries. 

But yes sure, if the EU impose tariffs we can reciprocate, on a global basis, but we should at least start out without any.

There are many "no deal" advocates who are proposing this approach.

 

That makes sense

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I see the arrogant EU Dictators can’t just keep their traps shut again. Why can’t they let the U.K. go through it’s own process without constant interference.

Tusk just issued his latest threat, “If this deal is rejected in the Commons, we are left with... an alternative: no deal or no Brexit at all. I want to reassure you that the EU is prepared for every scenario."

Are the rest of the EU so blind not to see that the EU’s leading dictators all have German/French blood in their veins. Why are they unelected, because Germany & France fear any other country being involved in running their cosy EU arrangement.

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14 minutes ago, PaulCP said:

I see the arrogant EU Dictators can’t just keep their traps shut again. Why can’t they let the U.K. go through it’s own process without constant interference.

Tusk just issued his latest threat, “If this deal is rejected in the Commons, we are left with... an alternative: no deal or no Brexit at all. I want to reassure you that the EU is prepared for every scenario."

Are the rest of the EU so blind not to see that the EU’s leading dictators all have German/French blood in their veins. Why are they unelected, because Germany & France fear any other country being involved in running their cosy EU arrangement.

Not blind, just passed out drunk on the "freebies" that flow so freely in  Brussels.

 

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1 hour ago, Andyww said:

One exception is James Dyson who proposes imposing max tariffs and then the extra revenue which the chancellor gains (approx 12 Billion a year) can be spent as the government sees fit, maybe the NHS. I dont really agree with this. At the end of the day a tariff is just an extra tax like VAT.

Let's hope arch-patriot Dyson brings all of his manufacturing back to the UK after Brexit, rather than continuing to exploit cheap Asian labour. Not holding my breath though.

The biggest winner if we have import tariffs will be the Civil Service. That will be where the money gets spent.

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4 hours ago, PaulCP said:

Tusk just issued his latest threat, “If this deal is rejected in the Commons, we are left with... an alternative: no deal or no Brexit at all. I want to reassure you that the EU is prepared for every scenario."

Well if we get cheated out of brexit - My thanks must go out to sadiq Khan for getting rid of those horrible water cannons. It means when we are rioting in the streets of London, flipping over cars and burning the Houses of Parliament we won’t have to face getting wet.

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