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My wife has changed her vote from remain to leave purely based on the attitude of the Remainers and Politicians. She is a very intelligent lady with a 1st Class Hons Degree and said that she couldn't vote remain again, in all good conscience, because it would undermine Democracy if the referendum was overturned.

And what then if it was? I for one would demand another vote due to the hype and made up "consequences" by the remainers. I like to think I'm not alone. The issue is that the Govt and Parliament is run by a bunch of remainers who are only interested in themselves and their back handers and pensions from retiring to become EU Diplomats, ambassadors and Beurocrats. They are pushing this second vote through no matter what happens. 

For once I think the French have it right with their fuel demonstrations. Mass demonstrations by 52% of the population until any second vote is overturned again!

My suggestion is let May stay in. Agree her deal, then behind the scenes change PM to Reese Mogg or Johnson, tell the EU to F off and be done with it!

 

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1 hour ago, Kimbers said:

And what then if it was?

The streets of London will burn and I’m off to prison. 

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Democracy has already spoken in the 1st referendum. If we are subject to another referendum I personally will never vote in anything again as it will prove we are not living in a democratic Country anymore.

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I agree with mayesprit above. I won't vote in a second referendum because this question was answered last time. The only reason Brexit hasn't been delivered yet is because parliament has refused to respect the outcome and therefore the democratic process, which is disgraceful.

It isn't difficult, you try and negotiate an exit and if you can't you just leave with no deal. The original question wasn't "only leave the EU if the fuckwit politicians agree"

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23 minutes ago, mayesprit said:

Democracy has already spoken in the 1st referendum. If we are subject to another referendum I personally will never vote in anything again as it will prove we are not living in a democratic Country anymore.

Or vote the most outragious party every time. Personally if it doesn't go through I will vote UKIP every single vote no matter what other policies they have or how uncomfortable they make me feel.

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I struggle with the idea that a new vote would undermine democracy. 

Surely it strengthens it. The combination of new facts, 2 years of development and a divided parliament (worse, a parliament which has a majority of remain)  and people. 

It would give parliament clear direction on whatever outcome is chosen. 

 

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4 hours ago, Kimbers said:

 

My suggestion is let May stay in. Agree her deal, then behind the scenes change PM to Reese Mogg or Johnson, tell the EU to F off and be done with it!

 

I have a different view on this. If May wins the “no confidence” vote then the perpetrators who engineered the vote should resign as MPs at the next election.

As for Reece Mogg, he represents everything about the Tories that the so called working classes despise. His overall body language and the way he speaks to the media is cringeworthy and to have him as leader of the party, IMO, is a sure way to ensure that Comrade Corbyn gets elected.

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When we voted in the referendum it didn't give the options of 1) Remain or 2) stroke the egos of a small number of self-serving backbench Conservative MPs.

This could render the Conservatives unelectable next time round.

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I wish the Political classes and to a large extent the media would stop referring to this as Teresa May's deal. IT IS THE EU's deal - end of. and the only one they will EVER agree to.

If Parliament cannot come together for the good of the Country and pass this deal (never looks likely!), then come the 29th March, the only option on the table (if the result of the referendum is to be respected) is to leave on WTO terms and be done with it - yes it will be painful for the UK BUT it will also cause the EU a nightmare. If the EU can't see this (and behave pragmatically regarding the Irish Border) then we should stick it to them once and for all.

I actually feel sorry for the PM - she (and her team) have at least stepped up to the plate and come up with something - however unpalatable it seems to be, NO ONE ELSE has offered a viable alternative (other than 'No Deal'). This sideshow of a leadership vote is an absolute disgrace - seems to me that there are some in the Tory party who are determined to kill off any remaining hope of ever being electable again. The alternative of a Corbyn Govt depresses me hugely but God help me, is the current shower worthy of my vote? NO!

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Is the price for that bit in Yen or £?

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Being out of the EU and on WTO rules - won’t we be able to effectively ban vw Audi group cars until they can be proved to pass a strict UK type of testing?? 

We need to stick it up em now

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Dianne Abbott has put her name forward as a contender if May does go...

 

buddsy:fun:

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20 minutes ago, Buddsy said:

Dianne Abbott has put her name forward as a contender if May does go...

 

buddsy:fun:

I’m sure one of the Mods is able to move this post to the TLF Jokes & Gags thread.😂


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1 hour ago, mayesprit said:

I’m sure one of the Mods is able to move this post to the TLF Jokes & Gags thread.😂

He is a moderator🤓


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20 minutes ago, pete said:

He is a moderator🤓

Ya don’t say lol 😆 That’s waisted sarcasm then.

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18 hours ago, SFO said:

. Apparently car components cross borders many times as they are built. 

 

If thats true the manufacturers need to get their act together. If they are doing things that way they deserve to fail. 

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6 hours ago, Steve V8 said:

The Mrs and I watched the film "Darkest hour" this evening...

The similarities between those political struggles between Chamberlain and Churchill and the current situation are uncanny,

SOUNDS FAMILIAR DOESN'T IT? 

A few days ago in this thread I asked if we were actually at war but didnt realise it?

I still feel perhaps we are if the EU will not let us leave is that not a modern twist on an invasion?

 

 

9 hours ago, pete said:

He is a moderator🤓

Couldne even spell moderator last week now i is one! :fun:

 

buddsy :lol:

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We need to declare this deal is not suitable.

walk away - we have a backstop arrangement at the end of March. WTO rules.

be done - no more talking to them. At that point and that point only - they will be clambering to renegotiate with us and in London

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Bbc have dragged hesletine out of his coffin this morning.

awaiting tony Blair now

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1 hour ago, Buddsy said:

A few days ago in this thread I asked if we were actually at war but didnt realise it?

I still feel perhaps we are if the EU will not let us leave is that not a modern twist on an invasion?

You're not wrong Buddsy, our referendum result was severe setback for the EU, they will now do everything in their power to destroy us to set an example to others.

Any deal is futile and would leave us defenceless against the retaliation we must expect. 

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7 hours ago, Steve V8 said:

You're not wrong Buddsy, our referendum result was severe setback for the EU, they will now do everything in their power to destroy us to set an example to others.

Any deal is futile and would leave us defenceless against the retaliation we must expect. 

“Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.”

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On 11/12/2018 at 13:39, ChrisJ said:

@duncx - We've already had a referendum for your No 1)

So if there was a further referendum, there could only be No 2..

 

 

 

 

I always thought a No 2 was shit!

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